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[eits]

Wasn't terribly hard to find, was it?

If his memory wasn't so bad, he might remember that post. Or his later response to it:

wow, nice memory!

nice find, bignate haha

yeah, although, to be honest, i think i may have completely screwed up my terminology (which is why i didn't remember it). i don't think i meant to say homeopathic... i think it was another word. i can't remember it, though... that's going way back into my first trimester of chiropractic school.

wow, reading what i wrote back then is kinda embarrassing . good thing i've had time to learn more and grow.

 

[TallBill]

Why would I have a doctor?

 

[Bignate603]

back to your point: i understand what you mean and i'll be more careful in how i choose my words in the future. you're right in asserting that most of the time, i come across as stating something as a fact when i actually mean that it's an opinion.

also, i don't see anything wrong with thinking something and then trying to find support with the facts. the hypothesis had to have come from someplace to begin with, whether it be anecdote or a "lightbulb" or whatever. finding support for it thereafter is normally how it's done. however, that's why i'm not a researcher and you are. you've got the brain for that... that's why you do what you do; you're good at it. just like i do what i do... because i'm good at it.

I have a problem with this attitude when you make it clear in your posts and in your sig that you consider yourself a healthcare professional. Claiming that you are an authority on healthcare and then posting things that you aren't sure about is spreading misinformation and may cause someone to make a bad choice about their health. Either you can say you're an expert in healthcare, or you can post healthcare related things you're speculating about. To do both is irresponsible.

Also, speculating about the junk you do makes you look like a fool. You may want to keep that to yourself.

 

[Gibsons]

good thing i've had time to learn more and grow.

From my perspective, you haven't really changed at all. But that's just my opinion.

 

[eits]

I have a problem with this attitude when you make it clear in your posts and in your sig that you consider yourself a healthcare professional. Claiming that you are an authority on healthcare and then posting things that you aren't sure about is spreading misinformation and may cause someone to make a bad choice about their health. Either you can say you're an expert in healthcare, or you can post healthcare related things you're speculating about. To do both is irresponsible.

Also, speculating about the junk you do makes you look like a fool. You may want to keep that to yourself.

lol, well, then i'm sorry you have a problem with that.

are you a chiropractic physician? do you know anyone else more qualified than me to address chiropractic issues in these forums (regardless of your knowledge or feelings of the practice)?

also, i don't spread misinformation. if i do, i accept that i made a mistake and retract my incorrect statement and learn from the mistake.

doctors give advice all the time and field questions constantly whenever it's known that they are doctors of a specific field. i do no different. i get lots of pm's regarding issues people are having and i do my best to get them to where they need to go as well as tell them what might be the cause of the problems. i don't diagnose... i offer a quick differential and recommend they seek the attention of the appropriate practitioner, whether it be a chiropractor, family doc, orthopedic surgeon, physical therapist, etc. i do the same thing in the health and fitness forums.

 

[eits]

From my perspective, you haven't really changed at all. But that's just my opinion.

first impressions are hard to change and i'm still growing as a doctor. i don't know everything.

 

[alkemyst]

I like how people go way back in time to attack a poster with something then, today.


Sort of like grasping at straws to me.


I don't think Gibsons nor BigNate really have any clue what they are arguing other than attacking the OP.

 

[Bignate603]

I like how people go way back in time to attack a poster with something then, today.


Sort of like grasping at straws to me.


I don't think Gibsons nor BigNate really have any clue what they are arguing other than attacking the OP.

He said never, it took about a minute to check that with the search function. Sorry if I didn't look at the date, but at some point he considered homeopathy valid.

I've already said that I could believe chiropractors could help with things like back pain. I'd be willing to expand that to joints, pinched nerves, muscle issues and things like that. In fact, most of the stuff he lists on his website are things I can believe he might be able to help with in some cases. However, some of them are bogus. As I've mentioned before, advertising that he can help with ADHD bugs me. I'm also bothered by his claims to help with asthma.

My biggest problem with the OP is his history of posting in things that can't be backed up by any reliable source and acting like its fact, while claiming to be a healthcare professional. For example, in this thread (hopefully that's recent enough for you) when I mentioned ADHD he said he couldn't treat real ADHD because that was caused by "an issue with the asymmetry of the ventricles in the brain." Right now the peer reviewed studies show some connections with many different issues but none will go so far as saying that there is a single cause.

Beyond that, I have issues with eits in general. He said some ridiculous things in a thread a while ago about vaccines that had little connection with reality. When I stopped talking about it in the thread he started sending me PMs, which I repeatedly said I had no interest in responding to, both by PM and in the original thread. I eventually blocked him for a while because he wouldn't leave me alone. I assume Pliablemoose's message earlier in the thread was due to eits doing something similar.

 

[Whisper]

My biggest problem with the OP is his history of posting in things that can't be backed up by any reliable source and acting like its fact, while claiming to be a healthcare professional. For example, in this thread (hopefully that's recent enough for you) when I mentioned ADHD he said he couldn't treat real ADHD because that was caused by "an issue with the asymmetry of the ventricles in the brain." Right now the peer reviewed studies show some connections with many different issues but none will go so far as saying that there is a single cause.

Not to completely derail the thread, but I caught that as well, and my knee-jerk response was, "oof." To eits's credit, he did later say that he doesn't purport to treat ADHD, only ADHD-like symptoms, which I could believe. However, you're correct in that then going on to say that true ADHD is caused by ventricular asymmetry would be bordering on farcical. Eits has his pet peeves regarding preconceived notions and misunderstandings regarding chiropractic care, and I have the same regarding my field of study, part of which deals with ADHD and other cognitive disorders.

 

[eits]

Not to completely derail the thread, but I caught that as well, and my knee-jerk response was, "oof." To eits's credit, he did later say that he doesn't purport to treat ADHD, only ADHD-like symptoms, which I could believe. However, you're correct in that then going on to say that true ADHD is caused by ventricular asymmetry would be bordering on farcical. Eits has his pet peeves regarding preconceived notions and misunderstandings regarding chiropractic care, and I have the same regarding my field of study, part of which deals with ADHD and other cognitive disorders.

From what I've read and discussed with a couple neurologists/neurology fellows at St. Louis University, they seem to feel that ventricular asymmetry accounts for real ADHD, whereas many different causes, like parenting, hyperactive nervous systems, dietary issues, poor parenting, etc. accounts for most of the ADHD cases diagnosed. That's why there are so many drugs for it... because it can't exactly tackle the real disease, just cover up symptoms of treatable causes parents are too lazy/busy/uninformed to deal with.

What are your feelings on it?

 

[OutHouse]

This is par for the course for the OP.

He creates a thread "bashing" real doctors... and when someone bashes chiropractors... he takes offense at it.

And ... seems kinda shady that he takes great lengths to hide his own identity. Doesn't give his full name on his own website, and hides its registration behind proxy companies, so if someone wanted to research him .. and see if there has been any complaints... they cant.

Can't say i've met any real doctor who goes to such lengths to hide their identity.

thats false. i have communicated with Eits several times off the forums. I remember when he came to these forums and i have never seen him "hide"

 

[eits]

He said never, it took about a minute to check that with the search function. Sorry if I didn't look at the date, but at some point he considered homeopathy valid.

I've already said that I could believe chiropractors could help with things like back pain. I'd be willing to expand that to joints, pinched nerves, muscle issues and things like that. In fact, most of the stuff he lists on his website are things I can believe he might be able to help with in some cases. However, some of them are bogus. As I've mentioned before, advertising that he can help with ADHD bugs me. I'm also bothered by his claims to help with asthma.

My biggest problem with the OP is his history of posting in things that can't be backed up by any reliable source and acting like its fact, while claiming to be a healthcare professional. For example, in this thread (hopefully that's recent enough for you) when I mentioned ADHD he said he couldn't treat real ADHD because that was caused by "an issue with the asymmetry of the ventricles in the brain." Right now the peer reviewed studies show some connections with many different issues but none will go so far as saying that there is a single cause.

Beyond that, I have issues with eits in general. He said some ridiculous things in a thread a while ago about vaccines that had little connection with reality. When I stopped talking about it in the thread he started sending me PMs, which I repeatedly said I had no interest in responding to, both by PM and in the original thread. I eventually blocked him for a while because he wouldn't leave me alone. I assume Pliablemoose's message earlier in the thread was due to eits doing something similar.

To be clear, I said that, to my best recollection, I never endorsed homeopathy. To be even more exact, you still haven't shown where I endorsed homeopathy. Mentioning the word homeopathy, especially when I used it out of context, doesn't mean I endorsed homeopathy.

Anyway, I understand why you feel how you do and I'm ok with it. I've made my mistakes, come clean with them, learned from the mistake, and moved on. Good to see you have, too.

 

[Whisper]

From what I've read and discussed with a couple neurologists/neurology fellows at St. Louis University, they seem to feel that ventricular asymmetry accounts for real ADHD, whereas many different causes, like parenting, hyperactive nervous systems, dietary issues, poor parenting, etc. accounts for most of the ADHD cases diagnosed. That's why there are so many drugs for it... because it can't exactly tackle the real disease, just cover up symptoms of treatable causes parents are too lazy/busy/uninformed to deal with.

What are your feelings on it?

In my opinion, neurology may not necessarily have the best vantage point with respect to ADHD. Not that I'm in any way knocking neurologists, mind you, it's just that the theory, research, classification, assessment, and diagnosis of ADHD has generally been spearheaded by psychologists owing largely to proficiency with appropriate psychological testing techniques.

There definitely have been structural neuroanatomical differences found between children with and without ADHD; unfortunately, most studies do a fairly horrible job of differentiating between the various ADHD subtypes (most include a mix of combined-type and hyperactive-type) or even effectively establishing the presence of ADHD, tend to have more significantly more males than females, and often ignore the potential role of comorbidity.

I'm not saying that ADHD isn't caused by ventricular asymmetry (although I have my doubts, and believe that more substantial evidence exists for involvement of dopaminergic and glutamatergic subcortical-cortical neuronal pathways). However, I think that with the way the research currently stands, we have absolutely no idea what causes it, although we do have a few educated guesses. I will say that based on the location of the lateral ventricles, and their proximity to the subcortical origins of the aforementioned neuronal pathways (particularly the neostriatum and cingulate gyrus), it makes sense that asymmetry could show up in children with ADHD.

It'd be similar to saying that schizophrenia, which has frequently been associated with prefrontal atrophy, is in fact caused by prefrontal atrophy, when in fact we don't know if x caused y, y caused x, z caused both x and y, or x and y are only coincidentally related.

 

[eits]

In my opinion, neurology may not necessarily have the best vantage point with respect to ADHD. Not that I'm in any way knocking neurologists, mind you, it's just that the theory, research, classification, assessment, and diagnosis of ADHD has generally been spearheaded by psychologists owing largely to proficiency with appropriate psychological testing techniques.

There definitely have been structural neuroanatomical differences found between children with and without ADHD; unfortunately, most studies do a fairly horrible job of differentiating between the various ADHD subtypes (most include a mix of combined-type and hyperactive-type) or even effectively establishing the presence of ADHD, tend to have more significantly more males than females, and often ignore the potential role of comorbidity.

I'm not saying that ADHD isn't caused by ventricular asymmetry (although I have my doubts, and believe that more substantial evidence exists for involvement of dopaminergic and glutamatergic subcortical-cortical neuronal pathways). However, I think that with the way the research currently stands, we have absolutely no idea what causes it, although we do have a few educated guesses. I will say that based on the location of the lateral ventricles, and their proximity to the subcortical origins of the aforementioned neuronal pathways (particularly the neostriatum and cingulate gyrus), it makes sense that asymmetry could show up in children with ADHD.

It'd be similar to saying that schizophrenia, which has frequently been associated with prefrontal atrophy, is in fact caused by prefrontal atrophy, when in fact we don't know if x caused y, y caused x, z caused both x and y, or x and y are only coincidentally related.

Do you know who Dr. Ruth Spodak is?

 

[shortylickens]

- = Nominate for Thread of The Year/Self-Ownage of The Year! = -​

 

[alkemyst]

- = Nominate for Thread of The Year/Self-Ownage of The Year! = -​

You off meds, chick left you or something. You are dropping post turds left and right the last few days.

 

[Whisper]

Do you know who Dr. Ruth Spodak is?

Not off-hand, no. However, a quick Google search shows that she obtained her Ph.D. from the same institution as one of my former supervisors. Given that much of her work looks to have been conducted regarding children, and particularly Head Start, that's most likely why I didn't recognize the name. Does she work with/near you?

 

[eits]

Not off-hand, no. However, a quick Google search shows that she obtained her Ph.D. from the same institution as one of my former supervisors. Given that much of her work looks to have been conducted regarding children, and particularly Head Start, that's most likely why I didn't recognize the name. Does she work with/near you?

She was who tested and diagnosed me as a kid and was the first person from whom I heard the theory about the asymmetry of the ventricles. She's pretty awesome.

 

[Whisper]

She was who tested and diagnosed me as a kid and was the first person from whom I heard the theory about the asymmetry of the ventricles. She's pretty awesome.

It does look as though she conducts a more thorough (and appropriate) evaluation than the often-typical, "does your child have trouble sitting still? Ok, ADHD." Glad your experience was a positive one.

 

[brianmanahan]

i don't know who to trust

https://imgur.com/eMNtQZe