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Secret Service looking into Ted Nugent's violent anti-Obama rant

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And actually many of the weapons used by the cartels are stolen from the militaries of Central/South America. Last I checked no company in the US produces fully automatic AKs and RPGs. In fact, production of fully automatic weapons for civilian sale has been illegal in the US since the 80s. A civilian-legal full-auto M16 costs more than a lot of new cars for that very reason.

It is possible to get .50 caliber rifles in the U.S. and I've heard about this caliber being used in assassinations on government officials...

As for converting semi-automatic civilian versions of M-16A2s or M-4 carbines (if they exist not sure) into fully automatic weapons... It seems that it might just be in the realm of possibility for the drug cartels with the amount of money they have to throw at any weaponsmith willing to do business with them.
 
Spinning Nugent's remarks into a vague threat against takes more imagination than I care to mention.

That makes sense. If you can't comprehend the not at all vague threats in Nugent's screed, it's your imagination that's a couple of frejoles short of a combination plate. 🙄
 
It is possible to get .50 caliber rifles in the U.S. and I've heard about this caliber being used in assassinations on government officials...

As for converting semi-automatic civilian versions of M-16A2s or M-4 carbines (if they exist not sure) into fully automatic weapons... It seems that it might just be in the realm of possibility for the drug cartels with the amount of money they have to throw at any weaponsmith willing to do business with them.
So now we should start looking at what happens in another country to decide what citizens of the US should be allowed to have? I still say just seal the damn border with Mexico and let them figure it out for themselves...
 
November of this year will bring about one of the following scenarios:

1. Obama re-elected, Republicans maintain (or slightly expand) their majority in the House and gain a slim majority in the Senate.

2. Romney elected, Democrats pick up seats in the House (but remain the minority) and keep their slim majority in the Senate.

This does not bode well for those seeking radical changes in policy and/or the size of government.
 
That makes sense. If you can't comprehend the not at all vague threats in Nugent's screed, it's your imagination that's a couple of frejoles short of a combination plate. 🙄

His threats are exactly as vague as the politician who a couple years ago recommended using your Second Amendment rights if the GOP didn't take back some of Congress in 2010. It would be nice if sociopathy wasn't an honored trait in the GOP.
 
It is possible to get .50 caliber rifles in the U.S. and I've heard about this caliber being used in assassinations on government officials...

As for converting semi-automatic civilian versions of M-16A2s or M-4 carbines (if they exist not sure) into fully automatic weapons... It seems that it might just be in the realm of possibility for the drug cartels with the amount of money they have to throw at any weaponsmith willing to do business with them.

Link? .50 BMG rifles are about the most expensive rifle you can possibly buy, and are $5-$7/shot. And that's in the US where they're legal.

As for converting semi-auto to full auto, ROFL. That requires an extensive re-milling of the receiver, completely replacing several components, basically a ton of advanced metal-work and parts. Check out this article which goes into some detail on the process of converting an SKS (precursor to the AK, much simpler design than an AR-15):

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2613&st=0&p=20270&#entry20270

I thanked the good fellow and went on a search for a "machine gun conversion kit." I looked all through Shotgun News, the bible for gun buyers and sellers. Didn't see a single conversion kit. If you can't find a gun item in Shotgun News, you can't find it anywhere.

But this fat magazine is packed with ads, many set in small type. It's possible the kit was there and I failed to recognize it. So I moved on to Google. Alas, still no conversion kit. But wait — there is a booklet called "The Ultimate SKS Full Auto Plans" by M&M Engineering. Aha! I thought, purely academically. Now I'm good to go.

But, not quite. The booklet costs $10. It's 32 small pages. The illustrations are fuzzy, the instructions are vague and the necessary tasks appear to require machine tools, which, in case you did not know, are not cheap. A nicely equipped 16x40-inch lathe from Grizzly Industrial in Springfield, Mo., costs $6,400.

For me to make sense of this booklet and produce a reliable machine gun would be about as likely as my persuading one of the Bush twins to spend next weekend with me.

Nevertheless, let me give you an idea of what is involved, so that you can be informed the next time that a gun-banner tries to frighten you.

First off, you have to buy a rifle. I chose the M&M Engineering booklet specific to the SKS, which I understand to be the Chinese version of the AK-47. The SKS is reliable, abundant and cheap, at $175 or less. So it sounds like just the thing for a city thug, doesn't it?

Now you are ready to transform your SKS into a street sweeper. Stay with me: So far you have done nothing illegal. Except for some parts of the country, such as the city of Chicago, the SKS is legal in its semi-automatic version. What's illegal is the fully automatic version of the gun: a machine gun.

Now, if you are prepared to break the law and produce an SKS machine gun, the first step is to learn how to take the rifle apart. This involves understanding components such as the bolt, the bolt carrier, the receiver, the spring, the cylinder and the gas piston.

Next you have to disassemble the trigger group. You need a hammer, a 3/32nd pin driver and a disassembly block. Got all that? I don't. But maybe you do. So press on. You've got just six more pages of instructions to wade through before you get to the "good stuff."

Now you're on the last lap! All you have to do is to carve a "key" in "any good machine shop" that will block something called the "sear disconnector." The key is a squat rod of steel, measuring 375/100ths of an inch wide and 812/100ths of an inch tall. It's encircled by a deep groove, and it bears an appendage that looks a little like a mushroom cloud.

Oh yes, you also have to build a "cam" and weld it into place on the sear disconnector. Otherwise your new machine gun would become disabled on the first shot. That would certainly be a downer.

Does any of this make sense to you? It doesn't to me. And so I suspect you are getting the point: The easy machine gun is a myth. In fact, if I weren't so polite, I would call it a blatant lie.

I've also been told by a professional gunsmith that it's usually easier to build a machine gun from scratch than it is to modify a semi-auto. Besides, why would the cartels waste money trying when they already easily steal from the regional militaries?
 
November of this year will bring about one of the following scenarios:

1. Obama re-elected, Republicans maintain (or slightly expand) their majority in the House and gain a slim majority in the Senate.

2. Romney elected, Democrats pick up seats in the House (but remain the minority) and keep their slim majority in the Senate.

This does not bode well for those seeking radical changes in policy and/or the size of government.

Your predictions completely dismiss the 'coat tail effect'. In fact, they go completely against it.

However, I agree 100% with your conclusion about no "radical changes in policy". The Senate, no matter who controls, will be gridlocked in all but budget matters (reconciliation process available there) because no party is going to obtain 60 seats.

Fern
 
So now we should start looking at what happens in another country to decide what citizens of the US should be allowed to have? I still say just seal the damn border with Mexico and let them figure it out for themselves...

I seriously doubt it would happen, however, considering the situation in Mexico can you blame him for expressing those views? In either case I'm pretty sure I can make that FN 57 purchase sometime within the next year or so.
 
That makes sense. If you can't comprehend the not at all vague threats in Nugent's screed, it's your imagination that's a couple of frejoles short of a combination plate. 🙄

Well, yes you are correct, I do not have that kind of imagination: Nugent laments Obama's reelection, states he will end up in prison or dead. Yep, that can mean only thing: Nugent's going to kill Obama or end up dead trying. (lol)

Fern
 
I seriously doubt it would happen, however, considering the situation in Mexico can you blame him for expressing those views? In either case I'm pretty sure I can make that FN 57 purchase sometime within the next year or so.
Yes I can blame him all I want, he let the situation down there get to the point it is, he's trying to blame us for his problems:colbert:

And I didn't know you were getting an FN 57...I keep looking at them in the stores and wishing I could afford to drop that much on a gun right now...considering building an AR57 myself since I have most of the parts already😀
 
And I didn't know you were getting an FN 57...I keep looking at them in the stores and wishing I could afford to drop that much on a gun right now...considering building an AR57 myself since I have most of the parts already

I want one and have started saving. It is pricey and I can't just drop that much on a whim.

Yes I can blame him all I want, he let the situation down there get to the point it is, he's trying to blame us for his problem

It's not just his problem, and it's not just Mexican agents who are tasked with keeping weapons from reaching Mexico illegally. I'm honestly surprised that there hasn't been spillover violence from Mexico into the Southern border states.
 
It's not just his problem, and it's not just Mexican agents who are tasked with keeping weapons from reaching Mexico illegally. I'm honestly surprised that there hasn't been spillover violence from Mexico into the Southern border states.
No he's let it get so out of hand that it's becoming our problem, hence why I blame him...and while I can sympathize that there's some smuggling of our guns to their country and we can help with that they need to do a shit ton more to keep their drugs from being smuggled over to our country, which if you want to look at drug related violence it has spilled over to the entire country and not just southern states...

Edit: and good luck getting the 57, they are sweet little pistols😀
 
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20081112_worrying_signs_border_raids

http://www.fronterasdesk.org/news/2...upgrade-to-heavy-caliber-rifles/#.T5BziYEmySo

Granted Fast and Furious didn't help matters at all but if anyone is thinking that's the only source of arms for Mexican Cartels they need to stop being their local pusher's best customer.

From those links:
The weapons seized at the Gonzalez Duran safe house included more than 500 firearms, a half-million rounds of ammunition and 150 grenades. The cache also included a LAW rocket, two grenade launchers and a small amount of explosives. Along with the scores of assorted assault rifles, grenades and a handful of gaudy gold-plated pistols were some weapons that require a bit more examination: namely, the 14 Fabrique Nationale (FN) P90 personal defense weapons and the seven Barrett .50-caliber sniper rifles contained in the seizure.

Read more: Worrying Signs from Border Raids | Stratfor

Won't speculate on the other firearms, but
1. Grenade launchers: Available to US civilians only with a class 3 license (gun dealer's license), requires extensive tracking/registration by the ATF. Basically if one of these went missing from a private owner in the US, it was either unregistered (illegal to own) or very old. As in Vietnam-era old.

2. 150 grenades: Once again, requires a class 3 license, registration, etc. Not available for regular civilian ownership.

3. P90: Full-auto submachinegun made in Belgium, once again requires class 3 license/registration/etc.

4. Barret .50 cals: Available for civilian ownership but only at great cost. In use with 60+ militaries around the world though, likely stolen.


Bottom line is all of the above are very hard or extremely expensive to obtain in the US for the average civilian. You cannot just walk into a gun store and buy any of the above aside from the Barret, which is prohibitively expensive to most.



The 2nd link:

The gun he's referring to is an M-2 Browning. It's legal to buy in Arizona.

HAHAHAHAHA, right. I challenge anyone to walk into a random gun store in Arizona and ask to buy an M-2 browning. Go on, try it. Unless you have a ton of money and a class 3 license, the guns store owner will do some combination of laughing and/or reporting you to the ATF for suspicious activity.

Also, this partially proves my point:

"A lot of those grenades that originated from the U.S. are in fact US military grenades that were simply sold to Guatemala and south American countries back in the 80s and early 90s as part of a legitimate foreign service sales program," said Mangan.


I'm not saying that no US guns are going to the cartels, but that's a border security problem, not a gun-rights issue.
 
From those links:

Won't speculate on the other firearms, but...

I'm not saying that no US guns are going to the cartels, but that's a border security problem, not a gun-rights issue.

The gun dealers were told by the Obama admnistration to sell them everything they wanted without question. 🙁
 
Thanks, I agree about the pistol.

As for President Calderon's problem. I can see why he'd say what he has said. However it isn't just his problem given the spillover. He might get a better reaction if he set met with representatives from Border States and the ATF and figured out a better way to co-operate with them rather than lob criticisms (however well deserved they may be in some cases)
 
I'm not saying that no US guns are going to the cartels, but that's a border security problem, not a gun-rights issue.

Never said it was a gun rights issue, my point is that we do have to be more alert at the border and that U.S. Guns do make it to the cartels.

While the .50 caliber weapons are expensive it's not like the cartels are hurting for money.
 
He went right up to the line but he didn't cross it. No threat was ever there.

Given the fact that there have been assassinations. Even when the speaker is being facetious the secret service should be investigating statements that are provocative.
 
That makes sense. If you can't comprehend the not at all vague threats in Nugent's screed, it's your imagination that's a couple of frejoles short of a combination plate. 🙄

Well, yes you are correct, I do not have that kind of imagination: Nugent laments Obama's reelection, states he will end up in prison or dead. Yep, that can mean only thing: Nugent's going to kill Obama or end up dead trying. (lol)

Fern

Fern -- I wouldn't mind your posts as much if you actually knew WTF you were talking about, but your shallowness of thought and comprehension never fails to sink even below my most meager hopes for you. Since I doubt that you bothered to find out exactly what Nugent said in "lamenting" Obama's reelection, here are a couple of direct quotes:

It isn't the enemy that ruined America. It's good people who bent over and let the enemy in. If the coyote's in your living room pissing on your couch, it's not the coyote's fault. It's your fault for not shooting him.

If you can’t go home and get everybody in your lives to clean house in this vile, evil, America-hating administration, I don’t even know what you’re made out of.

We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November.

Remembering that Nugent was speaking to an organization whose entire reason for being is to promote the promulgation of deadly weapons, can you still tell us with a straight face that there is no implied threat or exhortation to violence against Obama in those words? 🙄

And, as you note, he said:

If Barack Obama becomes the president in November again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.

Those are his words, not mine. All I can do is hope that he achieves those stated goals. :thumbsdown:
 
Nugent thinks Obama and the govt are taking away our rights. Nugent will be in jail.

Nugent is a patriot badass. Nugent will fight back for our rights. Nugent will be dead.

Fern
 
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