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Secret Service looking into Ted Nugent's violent anti-Obama rant

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Harvey said:
Remembering that Nugent was speaking to an organization whose entire reason for being is to promote the promulgation of deadly weapons, can you still tell us with a straight face that there is no implied threat or exhortation to violence against Obama in those words?
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Yes and using euphemisms has never been done before🙄
 
Ausm said:
Umm Dangerous hate speech like this should get a pass in your opinion then?
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Yeah this is super dangerous...using a euphemism to drum up support to vote someone out of office, to use the "force", if you will, of your vote to elect someone else...real dangerous there
 
corwin said:
Yeah this is super dangerous...using a euphemism to drum up support to vote someone out of office, to use the "force", if you will, of your vote to elect someone else...real dangerous there
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Show me comparable shit like this coming from the left then maybe you would have a leg to stand on.
 
Ausm said:
Show me comparable shit like this coming from the left then maybe you would have a leg to stand on.
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Why would it have to be tit for tat for it to be acceptable to use a euphemism? If the speech is acceptable (SS has deemed it so) then what's your problem with it?
 
Ausm said:
Because it lowers the average I.Q. of GOPers by 50 points
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Yeah because this represents the "average" GOPer...he panders to the fringe, there are those on both sides of the aisle who do to varying degrees, nothing they do or say lowers anything...not sure why you care anyway since you obviously don't identify with the GOP in any case, I would think you'd like anything that may "appear" to reflect badly on them
 
corwin said:
Yeah because this represents the "average" GOPer...he panders to the fringe, there are those on both sides of the aisle who do to varying degrees, nothing they do or say lowers anything...not sure why you care anyway since you obviously don't identify with the GOP in any case, I would think you'd like anything that may "appear" to reflect badly on them
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I wasn't aware of anyone on the left saying they were going to ride in to Washington and cut their heads off.

I don't think the GOP could go any farther in the shitter then they are right now and I really don't think I am alone in this position.
 
Ausm said:
I wasn't aware of anyone on the left saying they were going to ride in to Washington and cut their heads off.

I don't think the GOP could go any farther in the shitter then they are right now and I really don't think I am alone in this position.
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Misquoted for truth..."ride onto the battlefield and chop their heads off in November"...even a simple mind can figure out the "battlefield" is the election and "chopping off their heads" is voting them out of office...and I'm sure you're blind to any stupid thing coming from your party but that doesn't mean it never happens...and no you're not alone, there's plenty of others around here to keep you company in your opinion, doesn't make you right though😉
 
corwin said:
Misquoted for truth..."ride onto the battlefield and chop their heads off in November"...even a simple mind can figure out the "battlefield" is the election and "chopping off their heads" is voting them out of office...and I'm sure you're blind to any stupid thing coming from your party but that doesn't mean it never happens...and no you're not alone, there's plenty of others around here to keep you company in your opinion, doesn't make you right though😉
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Nice personal attack but anyhoo it was a fucking stupid thing to say, hence the body cavity search from the SS.
 
corwin said:
Misquoted for truth..."ride onto the battlefield and chop their heads off in November"...even a simple mind can figure out the "battlefield" is the election and "chopping off their heads" is voting them out of office...and I'm sure you're blind to any stupid thing coming from your party but that doesn't mean it never happens...and no you're not alone, there's plenty of others around here to keep you company in your opinion, doesn't make you right though😉
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OK, you've covered one. And we've addressed the "dead or in jail" analogy already as well. What's the symbolism behind telling a pro-gun rally "it's your fault for not shooting [the coyote]"?
 
Ausm said:
Nice personal attack but anyhoo it was a fucking stupid thing to say, hence the body cavity search from the SS.
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Wasn't personal unless you took it that way...however how hard is it really to figure out what he was saying unless your mind twisted it to what you wrote, which btw is not what he said? It's a simple metaphor, it may sound "violent" but it's really not hard to understand...
 
Atomic Playboy said:
OK, you've covered one. And we've addressed the "dead or in jail" analogy already as well. What's the symbolism behind telling a pro-gun rally "it's your fault for not shooting [the coyote]"?
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Same vein as "chopping their heads off" really, shouldn't have elected/let him be elected in the first place...we "let him in" if you will. Again his metaphors are "violent" but they're not threats...
 
So what exactly is this guy all riled up about? Did he ever get into specifics of what exactly obama has done so terribly wrong?
 
corwin said:
Wasn't personal unless you took it that way...however how hard is it really to figure out what he was saying unless your mind twisted it to what you wrote, which btw is not what he said? It's a simple metaphor, it may sound "violent" but it's really not hard to understand...
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Wow I wonder why he got a visit from the SS if it was just a harmless metaphor then...you think they would have better things to do then hang out with a senile angry washed up Rocker?
 
Ausm said:
Wow I wonder why he got a visit from the SS if it was just a harmless metaphor then...you think they would have better things to do then hang out with a senile angry washed up Rocker?
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Cause someone got their panties in a bunch about it...and you notice they talked to him then left in peace so...

And as for the bold, would that be hookers and blow? Maybe that's why they went to see him though...
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corwin said:
Harvey said:
Remembering that Nugent was speaking to an organization whose entire reason for being is to promote the promulgation of deadly weapons, can you still tell us with a straight face that there is no implied threat or exhortation to violence against Obama in those words?
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Yes and using euphemisms has never been done before🙄
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Failed English, did you? Nugent's words were definitely NOT euphemisms.

eu·phe·mism noun \ˈyü-fə-ˌmi-zəm\

: the substitution of an agreeable or inoffensive expression for one that may offend or suggest something unpleasant; also : the expression so substituted

— eu·phe·mist \-mist\ noun

— eu·phe·mis·tic \ˌyü-fə-ˈmis-tik\ adjective

— eu·phe·mis·ti·cal·ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb

Examples of EUPHEMISM

1. using “eliminate” as a euphemism for “kill”

2. Cougar is the euphemism for a woman who has reached mid-life, who is single, financially secure and on the lookout for relationships with younger men—as in “prey.” —Kerry Gold, Vancouver Sun, 17 Feb. 2001
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You can claim Nugent's words were ill chosen metaphors, perhaps blatantly stupid would be more accurate, but dissemble and dodge and try to make excuses for them as much as you wish, but they were definitely NOT "agreeable or inoffensive expressions" substituted for his hateful exhortations to violence shouted to an organization whose entire reason for being is to promote the promulgation of deadly weapons. :thumbsdown:
 
Oh Ausm, the oh-so-loved bigot of the left for P&N. Yeah what Nugent said was absoutely unacceptable - but please quit pretending the left does no wrong and condemning and stereotyping entire political parties. It's pretty ridiculous when you're criticizing them and simultaneously behaving like the right-wing nut-job you're condemning.
 
Harvey said:
Failed English, did you? Nugent's words were definitely NOT euphemisms.



You can claim Nugent's words were ill chosen metaphors, perhaps blatantly stupid would be more accurate, but dissemble and dodge and try to make excuses for them as much as you wish, but they were definitely NOT "agreeable or inoffensive expressions" substituted for his hateful exhortations to violence shouted to an organization whose entire reason for being is to promote the promulgation of deadly weapons. :thumbsdown:
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Ah yes, you got me...I mixed up the words and started using the correct term later but didn't feel the need to go back and edit since anyone with at least half a brain could figure out what I meant...looks like you made it into that category since you did😉 Yes he was using a metaphor, which you may find offensive, but it was still a metaphor and nothing even close to the "threat" or "hateful exhortations to violence" so many of you wanted to make it out to be, so please get over it, the SS did😎

And fyi I never failed english, hell I didn't even go😉
 
Fern said:
Your predictions completely dismiss the 'coat tail effect'. In fact, they go completely against it.

However, I agree 100% with your conclusion about no "radical changes in policy". The Senate, no matter who controls, will be gridlocked in all but budget matters (reconciliation process available there) because no party is going to obtain 60 seats.

Fern
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I'm aware of the "coat tail effect", but I don't think it applies too much this time around. Both Romney and Obama are such impotent leaders that I don't think there will be much of any such effect.
 
corwin said:
Misquoted for truth..."ride onto the battlefield and chop their heads off in November"...even a simple mind can figure out the "battlefield" is the election and "chopping off their heads" is voting them out of office...and I'm sure you're blind to any stupid thing coming from your party but that doesn't mean it never happens...and no you're not alone, there's plenty of others around here to keep you company in your opinion, doesn't make you right though😉
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I believe Ausm has disproven that theory. 😀

I took Nugent's words to mean he believes that freed from the need for re-election, Obama will begin to kill or imprison gun owners rather than an indication that he personally was going to assassinate Obama. Much like Tommy Chong crying that he was in prison because George Bush personally had a vendetta against him, these celebrities have a very overblown sense of their own importance. The part that bothered me was his statement likening Obama to a rabid coyote that needed to be shot. I don't think that violates free speech and it shouldn't get him jail time, but it should get him a visit and a stern lecture from Secret Service. And it should hit him in the pocket book, in sponsors lost and venues denied. I'm a big fan of free speech, but I also believe in consequences, and that kind of talk about political opponents is NOT acceptable.
 
werepossum said:
I believe Ausm has disproven that theory. 😀

I took Nugent's words to mean he believes that freed from the need for re-election, Obama will begin to kill or imprison gun owners rather than an indication that he personally was going to assassinate Obama. Much like Tommy Chong crying that he was in prison because George Bush personally had a vendetta against him, these celebrities have a very overblown sense of their own importance. The part that bothered me was his statement likening Obama to a rabid coyote that needed to be shot. I don't think that violates free speech and it shouldn't get him jail time, but it should get him a visit and a stern lecture from Secret Service. And it should hit him in the pocket book, in sponsors lost and venues denied. I'm a big fan of free speech, but I also believe in consequences, and that kind of talk about political opponents is NOT acceptable.
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You have a good point😉 And yes he's a blowhard trying to fight his inevitable fading from relevance, in fact he pretty much is no longer relevant in any meaningful way...and was using exaggerated language to further a cause, he did deserve a visit from the SS but the claims of it being a "threat" are exaggerated greatly
 
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