Seattle autonomous zone

[Vic]

You didn’t bother to learn a thing about this incident did you?

He's just employing the usual RWNJ paranoia where he imagines a possible fate (such as being pulled from his vehicle by protesters and assaulted) and uses that delusion as justification for running down and killing protesters who have never done any such thing. It's not real self-defense, it's pre-emptive self-defense.

 

[compuwiz1]

He's just employing the usual RWNJ paranoia where he imagines a possible fate (such as being pulled from his vehicle by protesters and assaulted) and uses that delusion as justification for running down and killing protesters who have never done any such thing. It's not real self-defense, it's pre-emptive self-defense.

Liar.

 

[brycejones]

Liar.

That is what your post was about. Face it you're a pretty shitty human being and need to change.

 

[Vic]

Liar.

Did the protester who got ran over and killed here do any of the violent things that you described?

 

[Vic]

In my humble opinion, the autonomous zones were a bad idea that eventually ended with death and destruction. It seems the majority from both sides will be looking for law and order going forward. For Joe to have a chance, he'll need to come out with a definitive position on this, which im fairly sure he (DNC) does not want todo.

Two things: 1) the liberal govt of Seattle ended the autonomous zone in the typical liberal fashion of waiting for it all to blow over (just like at Malheur), and 2) the heavy-handed 'law and order' tactic of sending in the military, frequently proposed by conservatives, would not have lessened the death and destruction.

So to say that a definitive position has not already been made here is just missing the point.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I hate to break it to you, but even if a pedestrian is on a highway illegally, it's still both illegal and very very wrong to run over them with a car, no matter the legality of the vehicle.

Only if done intentionally

 

[Starbuck1975]

That is what your post was about. Face it you're a pretty shitty human being and need to change.

irony

 

[Vic]

irony

He's not the one apologizing for hitting and killing people with cars.

 

[Jhhnn]

Pedestrians cross streets at designated crosswalks, not dance in the middle of freeways. Common sense is obviously immaterial to your argument.

At least I have the common decency to not shift blame onto the deceased victim of a reckless driver.

Only if done intentionally

Or recklessly.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Or recklessly.

I wonder if driving the wrong way on a highway constitutes reckless? Or toward a crowd?

 

[JEDIYoda]

In my humble opinion, the autonomous zones were a bad idea that eventually ended with death and destruction. It seems the majority from both sides will be looking for law and order going forward. For Joe to have a chance, he'll need to come out with a definitive position on this, which im fairly sure he (DNC) does not want todo.

as oppossed to Trumps thoughts..all Joe needs to do is stay silent and not say anything against Police reform......

 

[Jhhnn]

as oppossed to Trumps thoughts..all Joe needs to do is stay silent and not say anything against Police reform......

Senile Joe spoke rather eloquently about it all-

 

[JEDIYoda]

Senile Joe spoke rather eloquently about it all-

That is even better!! Thx for pointing that out!!

 

[zzyzxroad]

I guess this topic has run out of steam with the thoroughly concerned. Time to whip out old trusty.
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[Gabe323]

I guess this topic has run out of steam with the thoroughly concerned. Time to whip out old trusty.
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This has been over and the very concerned are still on a quest to drag it out to 100 pages of pure distraction.

 

[Starbuck1975]

At least I have the common decency to not shift blame onto the deceased victim of a reckless driver.

Or recklessly.

Decency has nothing to do with it. Go dance in the middle of a freeway late at night and let us know how it works out for you.

 

[snoopy7548]

Decency has nothing to do with it. Go dance in the middle of a freeway late at night and let us know how it works out for you.

Been there, done that. Would not recommend.

 

[Jhhnn]

Decency has nothing to do with it. Go dance in the middle of a freeway late at night and let us know how it works out for you.

Lack of that quality defines every post you've made in this thread. The driver's actions are utterly indefensible yet you persist in doing so. Because reasons, apparently. Or something, anything, whatever.

 

[brycejones]

Lack of that quality defines every post you've made in this thread. The driver's actions are utterly indefensible yet you persist in doing so. Because reasons, apparently. Or something, anything, whatever.

The only reason is to troll for responses. That's all starbuck posts for these days, if everyone would ignore his bullshit eventually he would move on.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Lack of that quality defines every post you've made in this thread. The driver's actions are utterly indefensible yet you persist in doing so. Because reasons, apparently. Or something, anything, whatever.

You’re welcome to quote where I defended the driver. At best he was reckless. At worst he intentionally targeted the protestors.

 

[hal2kilo]

Now for some reality and granularity of what is actually happening with Seattle government at the moment. Notice the mayor isn't asking for 50% defunding of the SPD. She doing this at risk, as there's a petition to remove her from office and the opposition will not be from the people who felt unprotected.

Durkan proposes $76 million in cuts to SPD's 2021 budget; warns against making 'blunt cuts' to SPD

 

[SMOGZINN]

You’re welcome to quote where I defended the driver. At best he was reckless. At worst he intentionally targeted the protestors.

By continually saying how the victims are the ones in the wrong you are defending the driver. The not so subtly implied argument is that if they were not doing something wrong they would not have been killed, and therefore the driver is not really all that bad of a guy.

It is basically the same argument as 'if she was not wearing a short skirt she might not have been raped'. It attempts to remove some of the blame from the person that actually did the crime by spreading around a little to the victim.

 

[Starbuck1975]

By continually saying how the victims are the ones in the wrong you are defending the driver. The not so subtly implied argument is that if they were not doing something wrong they would not have been killed, and therefore the driver is not really all that bad of a guy.

It is basically the same argument as 'if she was not wearing a short skirt she might not have been raped'. It attempts to remove some of the blame from the person that actually did the crime by spreading around a little to the victim.

That’s how blame works, and comparing it to rape is disingenuous.

It is not criminal, reckless or irresponsible to wear a short skirt.

It is criminal, reckless and irresponsible to dance on a freeway.

The only reason this got national attention, and some feel compelled to defend them, is that its tied to BLM. Otherwise, this would be just another tragic example of a young person doing something reckless and paying with their lives.

 

[SMOGZINN]

That’s how blame works, and comparing it to rape is disingenuous.

It is not criminal, reckless or irresponsible to wear a short skirt.

It is criminal, reckless and irresponsible to dance on a freeway.

The only reason this got national attention, and some feel compelled to defend them, is that its tied to BLM. Otherwise, this would be just another tragic example of a young person doing something reckless and paying with their lives.

You are most definitely trying to make blame work that way. Your every post says so. You are most definitely implying that the protesters are the ones in the wrong here. The logic is clear, if they were in the wrong was the driver really at fault? You seem to think that just because you don't say the last line in the logic progression you can sit back and say 'Who Me?' Well that is not how logic works. If A = B and B=C then A=C. You can't simply put A=B, B=C and then deny A=C.

You talk about disingenuous but then compare a large group of people protesting on a closed down freeway to someone dancing on a freeway.
Your are not even pretending to argue in good faith.

 

[allisolm]

It is criminal, reckless and irresponsible to dance on a freeway.

It is not criminal, reckless or irresponsible to dance on a closed freeway especially one with the added precaution of 3 vehicles blocking the road. That is why the protesters are not in jail and the driver is - charged with 3 felonies. That's all folks.