Seattle autonomous zone

[pcgeek11]

Probably safe to say you shouldn't hit people with your car, regardless of whether or not you think you have the right of way. Based on the last page or so, seems like that needs to be stated.

I agree.

It is also probably safe to say it isn't a very smart thing to protest in the middle of a highway...

The guy should still be hung up by his balls for hitting them.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I agree.

It is also probably safe to say it isn't a very smart thing to protest in the middle of a highway...

The guy should still be hung up by his balls for hitting them.

When the highway is closed and there's barricades blocking traffic, it's a sense of security. It's not the same at all as people just running into an open highway.

 

[Jhhnn]

If that were true, you would be correct, but that’s not what happened, so you’re not.

Wrong-O, as was obvious before you posted that.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Wrong-O, as was obvious before you posted that.

Yea, but alt-facts (unlike facts), don't need to be backed up.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That's exactly what happened.


"Kelete -- traveling at "freeway speeds" -- drove his white Jaguar XJL the wrong way up an Interstate 5 exit ramp"

"which had been closed by the state patrol for more than an hour before the protesters were hit. Mead said they suspect Kelete drove the wrong way on a ramp. "

"A preliminary investigation found that state troopers had closed the northbound and southbound lanes of I-5 at around midnight Friday after protesters entered the freeway from the ramp at Yale Street for the 19th consecutive night. At about 1:40 a.m. Saturday, the suspect drove a white 2013 Jaguar the wrong way onto I-5 from an unknown exit ramp before turning around and heading south at high speed "

"They were reportedly participating in the Black Femme March on Friday night, for which Washington State troopers had blocked off on-ramps onto Interstate 5."

The driver has been charged in the death of a Seattle protester who was hit by a car

By Jennifer Henderson and Madeline Holcombe, CNN (CNN) -- A driver has been charged in the death of Summer Taylor, a 24-year-old protester killed during a demonstration on a closed highway on July Fourth in Seattle.Dawit Kelete, 27, has been charge

www.cbs58.com

Protester dies after driver hit crowd on closed Seattle highway

The driver got around several other vehicles blocking Interstate 5, police said, then drove into the crowd. Another protester is in serious condition.

www.tampabay.com

Seattle woman struck on I-5 during overnight protest has died, officials say

SEATTLE (KOMO) — A Seattle protester who was struck during the overnight hours on Interstate 5 during a rally about police brutality has died, hospital officials said Saturday evening. Summer Taylor, 24, of Seattle, was pronounced dead about 6:30 p. m. after being listed in critical condition at...

komonews.com

Protester Dies After Car Plows Into Peaceful Seattle March

Summer Taylor, 24, died in the hospital on Saturday. Diaz Love, who was also hit, remains in critical condition.

www.thecut.com

Everything you cited supports my summary of the incident.

The police have yet to declare a motive, and his social media presence and behaviors upon arrest do not suggest it was intentional.

The vehicles he dodged were vehicles placed by the protestors. I invite you to park your car on the freeway at night and start dancing next to it. This is why motorists changing tires at night often get hit.

The freeway was clearly not closed because he got on it. When the police close down a freeway for road construction, they place cars at exit and entrance ramps with their siren lights on for this very reason. They place cones. They also place cars in front of the workers with sirens and overhead lamps. The highway patrol was unable to implement these necessary preventative measures because the protestors chose to block the freeway and create a public safety hazard.

Watch the video. There is no police protective presence anywhere near the protestors. This is why the driver was able to get on the freeway. This is why protestors were struck.

This doesn’t excuse the driver.

 

[Jhhnn]

Everything you cited supports my summary of the incident.

The police have yet to declare a motive, and his social media presence and behaviors upon arrest do not suggest it was intentional.

The vehicles he dodged were vehicles placed by the protestors. I invite you to park your car on the freeway at night and start dancing next to it. This is why motorists changing tires at night often get hit.

The freeway was clearly not closed because he got on it. When the police close down a freeway for road construction, they place cars at exit and entrance ramps with their siren lights on for this very reason. They place cones. They also place cars in front of the workers with sirens and overhead lamps. The highway patrol was unable to implement these necessary preventative measures because the protestors chose to block the freeway and create a public safety hazard.

Watch the video. There is no police protective presence anywhere near the protestors. This is why the driver was able to get on the freeway. This is why protestors were struck.

This doesn’t excuse the driver.

That's bullshit. The fact that traffic wasn't piled up indicates that police diverted traffic somewhere up the line, like at the previous exit which we can't see. They normally don't block exit ramps in between, which is where the driver entered against all the wrong way signs that were in place. There was no other way to get onto that stretch of road.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That's bullshit. The fact that traffic wasn't piled up indicates that police diverted traffic somewhere up the line, like at the previous exit which we can't see. They normally don't block exit ramps in between, which is where the driver entered against all the wrong way signs that were in place. There was no other way to get onto that stretch of road.

They do block ramps in between for this very reason.

 

[Jhhnn]

They do block ramps in between for this very reason.

Which obviously was not the case in this instance. It can be no other way.

 

[skyking]

Having worked highway closures on Interstate 5, I have never seen an off-ramp blocked in any manner. That is some bullshit getting trolled out there.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Having worked highway closures on Interstate 5, I have never seen an off-ramp blocked in any manner. That is some bullshit getting trolled out there.

If you’ve worked closures, would you classify the protest zone as having adequate protection? I can’t imagine one work crew that would operate under the conditions of that evening. I’ve seen exit and entrance ramps closed for road construction, especially when there’s a bridge involved.

 

[skyking]

sure you have. You're some concern troll, and I am an operating engineer working bridges and paving. The off ramps were not barricaded.
The highway was closed. Some ass circumvented it, as they have always done. I've seen wrong-way drunks on I-5 in a closure, and guess how they got there?
Up an off ramp.

 

[compuwiz1]

So, if all these monuments and statues are so racist now, why were they not a big problem when Obama was president? Part of what I can see is that a lot of kids grew up with Obama as president during their formative years and had never figured there was a racism issue in our history because we had elected a black president. America can't be racist if we elected a black man, right? Now they get a white republican president and all the indoctrination they got in school suddenly kicks in and everyone is offended.
We have a generation of thin skinned, radical thinking, easily offended pussies. The kind of men who fought for our freedom don't exist anymore. Now we have a bunch of screaming toddlers who wear masks to hide their identities, while they go out and break things. You know these are left wingers because right wingers are busy trying to earn money, while respecting history and our republic. Moderate people do understand these radicals are leftists, which are mostly attached to the democratic party. Liberal group thinkers can't take an accurate pulse of the nation from within a bubble or echo chamber. The anarchists have had their 15 minutes of fame and I think the Democrats who stood passively by, while things were destroyed, are in for a rude awakening in November. Ya'll keep trusting those polls. I promise there is a large group who aren't talking, but will be with their votes. Go ahead and laugh at me, I don't give a shit. The joke will be on anyone who supports the radical bullshit that's been going on.

 

[Vic]

Imagine actually believing that moderates and the 'moral majority' support beating, tear gassing, and running people over because you disagree with their speech.
Imagine thinking of yourself as a 'freedom-loving small govt conservative,' and your greatest hope this year is for Trump to be re-elected so that he can use the govt to punish your political enemies (who are actually your fellow countrymen who hurt your feels by disagreeing with on the internet).
We know who the real un-American pussies are, and they're not the young people risking their lives trying to make their country a better place.

 

[shortylickens]

So, if all these monuments and statues are so racist now, why were they not a big problem when Obama was president? Part of what I can see is that a lot of kids grew up with Obama as president during their formative years and had never figured there was a racism issue in our history because we had elected a black president. America can't be racist if we elected a black man, right? Now they get a white republican president and all the indoctrination they got in school suddenly kicks in and everyone is offended.
We have a generation of thin skinned, radical thinking, easily offended pussies. The kind of men who fought for our freedom don't exist anymore. Now we have a bunch of screaming toddlers who wear masks to hide their identities, while they go out and break things. You know these are left wingers because right wingers are busy trying to earn money, while respecting history and our republic. Moderate people do understand these radicals are leftists, which are mostly attached to the democratic party. Liberal group thinkers can't take an accurate pulse of the nation from within a bubble or echo chamber. The anarchists have had their 15 minutes of fame and I think the Democrats who stood passively by, while things were destroyed, are in for a rude awakening in November. Ya'll keep trusting those polls. I promise there is a large group who aren't talking, but will be with their votes. Go ahead and laugh at me, I don't give a shit. The joke will be on anyone who supports the radical bullshit that's been going on.

Yur just all kinds of irrational arent ya?

 

[Starbuck1975]

sure you have. You're some concern troll, and I am an operating engineer working bridges and paving. The off ramps were not barricaded.
The highway was closed. Some ass circumvented it, as they have always done. I've seen wrong-way drunks on I-5 in a closure, and guess how they got there?
Up an off ramp.

Which is why most road crews also have a police escort at both ends of the work zone with adequate lighting, signage, cones and flashing lights. The conditions were not safe for the protestors, stop pretending otherwise.

 

[IronWing]

Go ahead and laugh at me

Sounds like a plan.

 

[soundforbjt]

Which is why most road crews also have a police escort at both ends of the work zone with adequate lighting, signage, cones and flashing lights. The conditions were not safe for the protestors, stop pretending otherwise.

Why do you think construction was going on? Roads can be closed at night while not actively having work crews present.

 

[Jhhnn]

Why do you think construction was going on? Roads can be closed at night while not actively having work crews present.

He's just obfuscating his way into both sides victim blaming. He lays out all kinds of peripheral scenarios to divert blame away from the driver. He got on the freeway by going the wrong way on an exit ramp, reversed course to be going the right way, then tried to speed thru a situation where he obviously should have been creeping. He saw the cars & the people in the roadway & acted recklessly, killing one person & badly injuring another. I doubt he intended to hit anybody, but he did.

 

[allisolm]

Which is why most road crews also have a police escort at both ends of the work zone with adequate lighting, signage, cones and flashing lights. The conditions were not safe for the protestors, stop pretending otherwise.

It was NOT a construction site. Whatever conditions you have arbitrarily decided must occur during a construction site closure do not apply here. It was closed by law enforcement. Turns out it was not safe for the protesters due to the idiot who drove the wrong way on an exit ramp. That's all.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Why do you think construction was going on? Roads can be closed at night while not actively having work crews present.

It was NOT a construction site. Whatever conditions YOU have decided must occur during a construction site closure do not apply here. It was closed by law enforcement. Turns out it was not safe for the protesters due to the idiot who drove the wrong way on an exit ramp. That's all.

I offered construction as an analogy given that there are not many scenarios that justify pedestrians on an interstate, especially late at night.

It was not safe because pedestrians should not be on an interstate, which is why law enforcement is now more assertively acting to remove pedestrians from entering the interstate.

 

[Starbuck1975]

He's just obfuscating his way into both sides victim blaming. He lays out all kinds of peripheral scenarios to divert blame away from the driver. He got on the freeway by going the wrong way on an exit ramp, reversed course to be going the right way, then tried to speed thru a situation where he obviously should have been creeping. He saw the cars & the people in the roadway & acted recklessly, killing one person & badly injuring another. I doubt he intended to hit anybody, but he did.

They shouldn’t have been standing on the freeway to begin with.

 

[Jhhnn]

They shouldn’t have been standing on the freeway to begin with.

Which obfuscates the point entirely. It's the old "She shouldn't have worn that dress" argument. Pedestrians have the right of way under any & all circumstances. Period. The the driver is an idiot who managed to kill somebody.

 

[JEDIYoda]

They shouldn’t have been standing on the freeway to begin with.

You never give up, even when you are eating your own shit!

 

[Starbuck1975]

You never give up, even when you are eating your own shit!

edgy

 

[nickqt]

Which obfuscates the point entirely. It's the old "She shouldn't have worn that dress" argument. Pedestrians have the right of way under any & all circumstances. Period. The the driver is an idiot who managed to kill somebody.

Or just hold up the mirror.

Was the car supposed to be on the freeway to begin with?