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dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
First off, I don't think the guy is obligated to do anything nor help anyone. You may not look upon it as right, but it's his life, his choice. To say he should die because he has refused is absurd. If he wants to, he should help. He should probably also get some compensation. They will be running countless tests on him, and there can be billions made, so he should get some as well.

****** that...in that situation it's more than an obligation to help imo, and if he decided he didn't want to help, i'd vote for the party that passed legislation forcing him to. Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...
Utilitarianism isn't the only philosophy out there.

indeed, but i'm a 4th year law/economics student, where do you think i sit? ;)

I think you are a deluded authoritarian. That's where I think you sit.

hehe, the trolls have come out to play, how cute ;)
 

funboy6942

Lifer
Nov 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: Sentinel
In terms of evolution, this would be something expected.

No way, there's no such thing as natural selection! God cured him because he prayed.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. I prayed God wouldnt take my parents from my brother and I when I was 17 and he was 12 but they died of cancer anyway. Praying to a god doesnt do sh!t. You die you die and giving all your money to a false hope wont do it for you. You have a better chance winning the lottery then a GOD saving your worthless asses in a true time of need when others need you more then him.

<--------Jumps into his new flame suit ready to see if it works or not :D
 

etalns

Diamond Member
Dec 20, 2001
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Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: dug777
Like i said 'Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...'

It's awesome how freely you give away the rights of others.

The government or the drug makers will not let this happen. Maybe he is scared because they will pump him up with the HIV or Aids to a point he cant get better. Then they can say "See there is not cure just the wonderful green pill that will slow it down. Side effect may cause brain failure, fluid of the lungs, prostate cancer, sudden loss of limbs, the Sh!ts, uncrontrolable bowel movement when in a room full of people, headachs, your penis falling off, your balls to look like raisons, finger cancer, grow boobies, liver explode, tooth decay, warts, uncontrolable swearing, bigger ass, excessivly long ear and nose hair, you will turn into a lama, grow a tail, eyes turn inside out causing temporary blindness, or a runny nose. All symptoms are considered very minor when compaired to taking a placebo."

Lets face it. Its like diabetes. The government is in bed with the drug compaines. They DO NOT want a cure. It doesnt matter how many people will die. As long as they can make more money off you before you die then keeping you around and healthy then they dont want a cure. I would be scared if I was in this guys shoes. He beat all odds and now they want to more then likly pump him back up full of stuff to disprove in some way it cannot be cured just so they can keep making money.
If there was a cure, then millions wouldnt be sick, then they would loose billions and billions of dollars. I honestly wouldnt put it past them all if they made the illness just to make money.

And NO Im not talking out of my butt because think of it like the war on terror or drugs. Do you honestly think they will ever win that. HELL NO! Too much money to be made in the war on this crap. If they ever won. They would be out of alot of money. People would loose jobs, the economy would crumble. Same for the drug companies. Never a cure only a cover up and the need to stay on the drugs.

Hate to think that but I am sure I am right. And I am also sure there is a cure for everything already but you need to be on the special list to get the treatment. Like government officals and families, Drug company owners and families, and Magic Johnson. What, he been dying of AIDS for last 15 years or so but looks like a million bucks. Here hes still ticking and looking good for this long but the adverage Joe will die within 5 and be skinny as a rail and look like crap. Go figure that one out and tell me he wasnt cured or on some really good pills;)

God damn you are naive. People with their damn government conspiracies.
 

funboy6942

Lifer
Nov 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: Qosis
Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: dug777
Like i said 'Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...'

It's awesome how freely you give away the rights of others.

The government or the drug makers will not let this happen. Maybe he is scared because they will pump him up with the HIV or Aids to a point he cant get better. Then they can say "See there is not cure just the wonderful green pill that will slow it down. Side effect may cause brain failure, fluid of the lungs, prostate cancer, sudden loss of limbs, the Sh!ts, uncrontrolable bowel movement when in a room full of people, headachs, your penis falling off, your balls to look like raisons, finger cancer, grow boobies, liver explode, tooth decay, warts, uncontrolable swearing, bigger ass, excessivly long ear and nose hair, you will turn into a lama, grow a tail, eyes turn inside out causing temporary blindness, or a runny nose. All symptoms are considered very minor when compaired to taking a placebo."

Lets face it. Its like diabetes. The government is in bed with the drug compaines. They DO NOT want a cure. It doesnt matter how many people will die. As long as they can make more money off you before you die then keeping you around and healthy then they dont want a cure. I would be scared if I was in this guys shoes. He beat all odds and now they want to more then likly pump him back up full of stuff to disprove in some way it cannot be cured just so they can keep making money.
If there was a cure, then millions wouldnt be sick, then they would loose billions and billions of dollars. I honestly wouldnt put it past them all if they made the illness just to make money.

And NO Im not talking out of my butt because think of it like the war on terror or drugs. Do you honestly think they will ever win that. HELL NO! Too much money to be made in the war on this crap. If they ever won. They would be out of alot of money. People would loose jobs, the economy would crumble. Same for the drug companies. Never a cure only a cover up and the need to stay on the drugs.

Hate to think that but I am sure I am right. And I am also sure there is a cure for everything already but you need to be on the special list to get the treatment. Like government officals and families, Drug company owners and families, and Magic Johnson. What, he been dying of AIDS for last 15 years or so but looks like a million bucks. Here hes still ticking and looking good for this long but the adverage Joe will die within 5 and be skinny as a rail and look like crap. Go figure that one out and tell me he wasnt cured or on some really good pills;)

God damn you are naive. People with their damn government conspiracies.

God Damn you have been brain washed into thinking the government does nothing but good for you and its people with no alternitave motives at hand :p
 

Dissipate

Diamond Member
Jan 17, 2004
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
First off, I don't think the guy is obligated to do anything nor help anyone. You may not look upon it as right, but it's his life, his choice. To say he should die because he has refused is absurd. If he wants to, he should help. He should probably also get some compensation. They will be running countless tests on him, and there can be billions made, so he should get some as well.

****** that...in that situation it's more than an obligation to help imo, and if he decided he didn't want to help, i'd vote for the party that passed legislation forcing him to. Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...
Utilitarianism isn't the only philosophy out there.

indeed, but i'm a 4th year law/economics student, where do you think i sit? ;)

I think you are a deluded authoritarian. That's where I think you sit.

hehe, the trolls have come out to play, how cute ;)

Damn right. I find your views to be outrageous and offensive.
 

DAGTA

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
First off, I don't think the guy is obligated to do anything nor help anyone. You may not look upon it as right, but it's his life, his choice. To say he should die because he has refused is absurd. If he wants to, he should help. He should probably also get some compensation. They will be running countless tests on him, and there can be billions made, so he should get some as well.

****** that...in that situation it's more than an obligation to help imo, and if he decided he didn't want to help, i'd vote for the party that passed legislation forcing him to. Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...

Any rational person? That's completely wrong. Your statement sounds just like Hitler. "Hey, they're only Jews and testing on a few of them could help millions of people. Any rational person would value that more"
 

DAGTA

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
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1
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Originally posted by: funboy42
The government or the drug makers will not let this happen. Maybe he is scared because they will pump him up with the HIV or Aids to a point he cant get better. Then they can say "See there is not cure just the wonderful green pill that will slow it down. Side effect may cause brain failure, fluid of the lungs, prostate cancer, sudden loss of limbs, the Sh!ts, uncrontrolable bowel movement when in a room full of people, headachs, your penis falling off, your balls to look like raisons, finger cancer, grow boobies, liver explode, tooth decay, warts, uncontrolable swearing, bigger ass, excessivly long ear and nose hair, you will turn into a lama, grow a tail, eyes turn inside out causing temporary blindness, or a runny nose. All symptoms are considered very minor when compaired to taking a placebo."

Lets face it. Its like diabetes. The government is in bed with the drug compaines. They DO NOT want a cure. It doesnt matter how many people will die. As long as they can make more money off you before you die then keeping you around and healthy then they dont want a cure. I would be scared if I was in this guys shoes. He beat all odds and now they want to more then likly pump him back up full of stuff to disprove in some way it cannot be cured just so they can keep making money.
If there was a cure, then millions wouldnt be sick, then they would loose billions and billions of dollars. I honestly wouldnt put it past them all if they made the illness just to make money.

And NO Im not talking out of my butt because think of it like the war on terror or drugs. Do you honestly think they will ever win that. HELL NO! Too much money to be made in the war on this crap. If they ever won. They would be out of alot of money. People would loose jobs, the economy would crumble. Same for the drug companies. Never a cure only a cover up and the need to stay on the drugs.

Hate to think that but I am sure I am right. And I am also sure there is a cure for everything already but you need to be on the special list to get the treatment. Like government officals and families, Drug company owners and families, and Magic Johnson. What, he been dying of AIDS for last 15 years or so but looks like a million bucks. Here hes still ticking and looking good for this long but the adverage Joe will die within 5 and be skinny as a rail and look like crap. Go figure that one out and tell me he wasnt cured or on some really good pills;)
Sad but very true.
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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4
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Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
First off, I don't think the guy is obligated to do anything nor help anyone. You may not look upon it as right, but it's his life, his choice. To say he should die because he has refused is absurd. If he wants to, he should help. He should probably also get some compensation. They will be running countless tests on him, and there can be billions made, so he should get some as well.

****** that...in that situation it's more than an obligation to help imo, and if he decided he didn't want to help, i'd vote for the party that passed legislation forcing him to. Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...

Any rational person? That's completely wrong. Your statement sounds just like Hitler. "Hey, they're only Jews and testing on a few of them could help millions of people. Any rational person would value that more"

For gods sake, you really think in this situation his rights are more important that the lives of millions of people? I happen to think in this case the greater good of humnaity would be served by making him help if he refused, and last time i checked i was entitled to my views, and clearly many people agree with me...

But unlike Hitler i don't have anything against him personally, don't think he's inferior in anyway, and have no agenda, racial or otherwise. So be goddam careful about making that extremely serious comparison.
 

DAGTA

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
First off, I don't think the guy is obligated to do anything nor help anyone. You may not look upon it as right, but it's his life, his choice. To say he should die because he has refused is absurd. If he wants to, he should help. He should probably also get some compensation. They will be running countless tests on him, and there can be billions made, so he should get some as well.

****** that...in that situation it's more than an obligation to help imo, and if he decided he didn't want to help, i'd vote for the party that passed legislation forcing him to. Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...

Any rational person? That's completely wrong. Your statement sounds just like Hitler. "Hey, they're only Jews and testing on a few of them could help millions of people. Any rational person would value that more"

For gods sake, you really think in this situation his rights are more important that the lives of millions of people? I happen to think in this case the greater good of humnaity would be served by making him help if he refused, and last time i checked i was entitled to my views, and clearly many people agree with me...

But unlike Hitler i don't have anything against him personally, don't think he's inferior in anyway, and have no agenda, racial or otherwise. So be goddam careful about making that extremely serious comparison.

Since you think one person's life/rights is ok to sacrifice for the potential greater good that MIGHT come from it, please be the first person to volunteer to sacrifice your life. Set the example.
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
24,778
4
0
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
First off, I don't think the guy is obligated to do anything nor help anyone. You may not look upon it as right, but it's his life, his choice. To say he should die because he has refused is absurd. If he wants to, he should help. He should probably also get some compensation. They will be running countless tests on him, and there can be billions made, so he should get some as well.

****** that...in that situation it's more than an obligation to help imo, and if he decided he didn't want to help, i'd vote for the party that passed legislation forcing him to. Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...

Any rational person? That's completely wrong. Your statement sounds just like Hitler. "Hey, they're only Jews and testing on a few of them could help millions of people. Any rational person would value that more"

For gods sake, you really think in this situation his rights are more important that the lives of millions of people? I happen to think in this case the greater good of humnaity would be served by making him help if he refused, and last time i checked i was entitled to my views, and clearly many people agree with me...

But unlike Hitler i don't have anything against him personally, don't think he's inferior in anyway, and have no agenda, racial or otherwise. So be goddam careful about making that extremely serious comparison.

Since you think one person's life/rights is ok to sacrifice for the potential greater good that MIGHT come from it, please be the first person to volunteer to sacrifice your life. Set the example.

in his situation of course i would, so it wouldn't be an issue, and no one is asking him to die...
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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He should send them a blood sample, and they should pay him gloriously for it. That is all the doctors will ever need from him.

$10,000 a month for one tube per month.

It will be some of the most well spent money they could possibly spend for the researchers, and they guy can sit live knowing that not only did he survive HIV, but he is also going to be somewhat famous, helping all of mankind, and living quite comfortably.

Granted he could give it for free, but I think that he deserves some dough for his efforts, dough which is a drop in the bucket in the scheme of things.

We dont have the *right* to force him to do anything, no matter the case. Absolutely not. I just think he needs some incentive is all, and we all should show him encouragement and gratitude, rather than condemnation and plans for murder.

And if they ever do create a vaccine or cure based on research of his blood, he deserves a cut of every sale.
 

Gibsons

Lifer
Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: BD2003
He should send them a blood sample, and they should pay him gloriously for it. That is all the doctors will ever need from him.

$10,000 a month for one tube per month.

It will be some of the most well spent money they could possibly spend for the researchers, and they guy can sit live knowing that not only did he survive HIV, but he is also going to be somewhat famous, helping all of mankind, and living quite comfortably.

Granted he could give it for free, but I think that he deserves some dough for his efforts, dough which is a drop in the bucket in the scheme of things.

We dont have the *right* to force him to do anything, no matter the case. Absolutely not. I just think he needs some incentive is all, and we all should show him encouragement and gratitude, rather than condemnation and plans for murder.

And if they ever do create a vaccine or cure based on research of his blood, he deserves a cut of every sale.

You can likely get all you need just from one blood sample. Just get a really good experienced tech to make your library and that's it.
 

Gibsons

Lifer
Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: funboy42
-snip-
Lets face it. Its like diabetes. The government is in bed with the drug compaines. They DO NOT want a cure. It doesnt matter how many people will die. As long as they can make more money off you before you die then keeping you around and healthy then they dont want a cure. I would be scared if I was in this guys shoes. He beat all odds and now they want to more then likly pump him back up full of stuff to disprove in some way it cannot be cured just so they can keep making money.
If there was a cure, then millions wouldnt be sick, then they would loose billions and billions of dollars. I honestly wouldnt put it past them all if they made the illness just to make money.

-snip-

grrrr...

I know some people who work in diabetes research. They're pretty highly motivated to find a cure. And why not? Think of what awaits whoever comes up with a cure for diabetes: world fame, tenure, your name in textbooks, an endowed chair, maybe even a Nobel. Hard to put a monetary sum on what it's worth, but it's over a million, easy. If you're able to patent the cure it it might move to billions (not sure how big the diabetes market is, but it's not small)? They do research paid for by the NIH for the most part, they don't get money from Roche, Pfizer, Eli Lilly, etc. They have no motivation to not find a cure, and every motivation to find one.

 

ribbon13

Diamond Member
Feb 1, 2005
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Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: funboy42
-snip-
Lets face it. Its like diabetes. The government is in bed with the drug compaines. They DO NOT want a cure. It doesnt matter how many people will die. As long as they can make more money off you before you die then keeping you around and healthy then they dont want a cure. I would be scared if I was in this guys shoes. He beat all odds and now they want to more then likly pump him back up full of stuff to disprove in some way it cannot be cured just so they can keep making money.
If there was a cure, then millions wouldnt be sick, then they would loose billions and billions of dollars. I honestly wouldnt put it past them all if they made the illness just to make money.

-snip-

grrrr...

I know some people who work in diabetes research. They're pretty highly motivated to find a cure. And why not? Think of what awaits whoever comes up with a cure for diabetes: world fame, tenure, your name in textbooks, an endowed chair, maybe even a Nobel. Hard to put a monetary sum on what it's worth, but it's over a million, easy. If you're able to patent the cure it it might move to billions (not sure how big the diabetes market is, but it's not small)? They do research paid for by the NIH for the most part, they don't get money from Roche, Pfizer, Eli Lilly, etc. They have no motivation to not find a cure, and every motivation to find one.

Behold the power of greed has at keeping information like this relatively unknown
And I believe everyone should read this article
 

middlehead

Diamond Member
Jul 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: shilala
I think I'll go with "false positive" on this one.
Yeah, far more likely to me that he was misdiagnosed


Originally posted by: dug777
hell, i'd beat him to death with a 15 inch black rubber cock if i thought it would help ;)
Admit it, you don't really need a reason to do that :p
 

mercanucaribe

Banned
Oct 20, 2004
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I agree with Dug77... Screw his supposed rights. The millions of people with HIV have a right to live. Since when did you all become pvssies?
 

Dissipate

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Jan 17, 2004
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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
I agree with Dug77... Screw his supposed rights. The millions of people with HIV have a right to live. Since when did you all become pvssies?

Screw ___________ supposed rights. The millions of people who suffer from ___________ have a right to ____________.

Fill in the blanks and you have communism/totalitarianism. Yay! Seriously, I wonder if people even truly comprehend their own words sometimes.
 

ribbon13

Diamond Member
Feb 1, 2005
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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Screw __victim's__ supposed rights. The millions of people who suffer from __small penis__ have a right to __make money of pharmaceuticals that only treat and not cure__.

Fill in the blanks and you have communism/totalitarianism. Yay! Seriously, I wonder if people even truly comprehend their own words sometimes.

Actually, it sounds like capitalism.