Scot's immune system fights off AIDs...diagnosed as HIV-positive in 2002 but found to be clear in October 2003...

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dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
First off, I don't think the guy is obligated to do anything nor help anyone. You may not look upon it as right, but it's his life, his choice. To say he should die because he has refused is absurd. If he wants to, he should help. He should probably also get some compensation. They will be running countless tests on him, and there can be billions made, so he should get some as well.

****** that...in that situation it's more than an obligation to help imo, and if he decided he didn't want to help, i'd vote for the party that passed legislation forcing him to. Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...
 

bleeb

Lifer
Feb 3, 2000
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The government or anyone has no rights to force him to comply with testing procedures. However, he would be a selfish a-hole for not doing what he can to better humanity.
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: bleeb
The government or anyone has no rights to force him to comply with testing procedures. However, he would be a selfish a-hole for not doing what he can to better humanity.

so you'd value his rights over potentially millions of peoples lives?

I'd say offering the bloke a buttload of money (and the veiled threat of what would happen if he didn't take it and help) would solve the problem without delving into this knotty issue ;)
 

Atomicus

Banned
May 20, 2004
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Sacrifice him for the greater good. I would if I were him.... just think of all the textbooks referencing to him as the man who helped cure the AIDS epidemic
 

Howard

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
First off, I don't think the guy is obligated to do anything nor help anyone. You may not look upon it as right, but it's his life, his choice. To say he should die because he has refused is absurd. If he wants to, he should help. He should probably also get some compensation. They will be running countless tests on him, and there can be billions made, so he should get some as well.

****** that...in that situation it's more than an obligation to help imo, and if he decided he didn't want to help, i'd vote for the party that passed legislation forcing him to. Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...
Utilitarianism isn't the only philosophy out there.
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
First off, I don't think the guy is obligated to do anything nor help anyone. You may not look upon it as right, but it's his life, his choice. To say he should die because he has refused is absurd. If he wants to, he should help. He should probably also get some compensation. They will be running countless tests on him, and there can be billions made, so he should get some as well.

****** that...in that situation it's more than an obligation to help imo, and if he decided he didn't want to help, i'd vote for the party that passed legislation forcing him to. Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...
Utilitarianism isn't the only philosophy out there.

indeed, but i'm a 4th year law/economics student, where do you think i sit? ;)
 

mercanucaribe

Banned
Oct 20, 2004
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He says that he will do anything to help find a cure, yet he refuses to do further testing. Too bad there's no cure for stupidity. :confused:
 

GoingUp

Lifer
Jul 31, 2002
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Originally posted by: Iron Woode
There are also a fair number of people that are immune to HIV/AIDS because of a subtle yet little known birth defect. Basically the virus can't hook in to the immune cells. The person will test positive for exposure to HIV but has no infection.

yep.
 

Gunslinger08

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
First off, I don't think the guy is obligated to do anything nor help anyone. You may not look upon it as right, but it's his life, his choice. To say he should die because he has refused is absurd. If he wants to, he should help. He should probably also get some compensation. They will be running countless tests on him, and there can be billions made, so he should get some as well.

****** that...in that situation it's more than an obligation to help imo, and if he decided he didn't want to help, i'd vote for the party that passed legislation forcing him to. Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...

This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. How would you feel if you were in the same situation? You have just beaten AIDS and found out that you have another 50 years to look forward to. Now, after that trauma of thinking you'd be dead within 5 years, the government forces you to submit your body to hundreds or thousands of tests, scans, needles, etc. for who knows how long? Is that fair? No. Is that morally or ethically right? No. Is that for the greater good? It doesn't matter.
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
First off, I don't think the guy is obligated to do anything nor help anyone. You may not look upon it as right, but it's his life, his choice. To say he should die because he has refused is absurd. If he wants to, he should help. He should probably also get some compensation. They will be running countless tests on him, and there can be billions made, so he should get some as well.

****** that...in that situation it's more than an obligation to help imo, and if he decided he didn't want to help, i'd vote for the party that passed legislation forcing him to. Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...

This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. How would you feel if you were in the same situation? You have just beaten AIDS and found out that you have another 50 years to look forward to. Now, after that trauma of thinking you'd be dead within 5 years, the government forces you to submit your body to hundreds or thousands of tests, scans, needles, etc. for who knows how long? Is that fair? No. Is that morally or ethically right? No. Is that for the greater good? It doesn't matter.

says you..and there's nothing rational about what you say ;)

Like i said 'Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...'
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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oh..and right back at ya with more spin that you can handle, how would you feel if you had AIDs, or a kid, or a wife with AIDs?

;)

 

Gunslinger08

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: dug777
Like i said 'Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...'

It's awesome how freely you give away the rights of others.
 

Continuity28

Golden Member
Jul 2, 2005
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: dug777
Like i said 'Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...'

It's awesome how freely you give away the rights of others.

It's awesome how some freely give away the LIVES of others.
 

Gunslinger08

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: dug777
oh..and right back at ya with more spin that you can handle, how would you feel if you had AIDs, or a kid with AIDs?

;)

I'd say leave the guy alone. He has his natural rights, I have mine. These aren't rights dictated by law.. they are basic rights that humanity grants to themselves.
 

Cooler

Diamond Member
Mar 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: statik213
clone him

You can thank congress for and GOP for the law that banned cloning in USA.
I was going to make a huge clone army but no they just had to screw up my plan.

 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: Continuity28
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: dug777
Like i said 'Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...'

It's awesome how freely you give away the rights of others.

It's awesome how some freely give away the LIVES of others.

indeed, kinda ironic really ;)
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: dug777
oh..and right back at ya with more spin that you can handle, how would you feel if you had AIDs, or a kid with AIDs?

;)

I'd say leave the guy alone. He has his natural rights, I have mine. These aren't rights dictated by law.. they are basic rights that humanity grants to themselves.

humanity grants, humanity taketh away...in this situation i can see a global forum like the UN coming to exactly the same conclusion i have ;)
 

funboy6942

Lifer
Nov 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: dug777
Like i said 'Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...'

It's awesome how freely you give away the rights of others.

The government or the drug makers will not let this happen. Maybe he is scared because they will pump him up with the HIV or Aids to a point he cant get better. Then they can say "See there is not cure just the wonderful green pill that will slow it down. Side effect may cause brain failure, fluid of the lungs, prostate cancer, sudden loss of limbs, the Sh!ts, uncrontrolable bowel movement when in a room full of people, headachs, your penis falling off, your balls to look like raisons, finger cancer, grow boobies, liver explode, tooth decay, warts, uncontrolable swearing, bigger ass, excessivly long ear and nose hair, you will turn into a lama, grow a tail, eyes turn inside out causing temporary blindness, or a runny nose. All symptoms are considered very minor when compaired to taking a placebo."

Lets face it. Its like diabetes. The government is in bed with the drug compaines. They DO NOT want a cure. It doesnt matter how many people will die. As long as they can make more money off you before you die then keeping you around and healthy then they dont want a cure. I would be scared if I was in this guys shoes. He beat all odds and now they want to more then likly pump him back up full of stuff to disprove in some way it cannot be cured just so they can keep making money.
If there was a cure, then millions wouldnt be sick, then they would loose billions and billions of dollars. I honestly wouldnt put it past them all if they made the illness just to make money.

And NO Im not talking out of my butt because think of it like the war on terror or drugs. Do you honestly think they will ever win that. HELL NO! Too much money to be made in the war on this crap. If they ever won. They would be out of alot of money. People would loose jobs, the economy would crumble. Same for the drug companies. Never a cure only a cover up and the need to stay on the drugs.

Hate to think that but I am sure I am right. And I am also sure there is a cure for everything already but you need to be on the special list to get the treatment. Like government officals and families, Drug company owners and families, and Magic Johnson. What, he been dying of AIDS for last 15 years or so but looks like a million bucks. Here hes still ticking and looking good for this long but the adverage Joe will die within 5 and be skinny as a rail and look like crap. Go figure that one out and tell me he wasnt cured or on some really good pills;)
 

fleshconsumed

Diamond Member
Feb 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: bleeb
The government or anyone has no rights to force him to comply with testing procedures. However, he would be a selfish a-hole for not doing what he can to better humanity.

*troll mode on*

To better the humanity? There are four ways to contract AIDS (help me if I forgot something)
1. Needles (think drug addicts)
2. Unprotected Sex
3. Through hospital (say blood transfusion)
4. Through birth if parents had AIDS already

The number of people who get AIDS through hospital or through their parents is negligible in relation to the total number of AIDS cases, since absolute majority of people who get aids, get them through first and second method. So I would think the best thing he can do to better the humanity is to actually refuse testing, since those people who got AIDS through cocaine needles and unprotected sex are stupid enough to deserve to die out and I say let them.
 

Dissipate

Diamond Member
Jan 17, 2004
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Originally posted by: Qosis
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: ribbon13
Originally posted by: Qosis
If he doesn't cooperate, could someone kill him and then use his body to figure out what was special about his immune system? Or does he need to be alive?

Sadly, I'm not kidding! What a pity if this prick decides not to help out others dying from the disease.

I'm sorry, but you're the prick.

Do you realize exactly how much danger he is in? There is millions of dollars of money on the line. Pharmaceutical companies rely on 'treatments' to generate constant revenue, not 'cures'

He's going to be assassinated or come up missing. At least, that's my guess.

:confused: wtf mate?

i want whatever you're smoking ;)

If the person doesn't willfully want to help, then yes, I do think he should be murdered. He knows better than anyone how devastating that disease is, and any reasonable person would not then turn around and be unwilling to help others who suffer from the same ailment.

Oh, also, it's not millions of dollars, it's billions.

What the hell? You are seriously loony tunes.
 

Dissipate

Diamond Member
Jan 17, 2004
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
First off, I don't think the guy is obligated to do anything nor help anyone. You may not look upon it as right, but it's his life, his choice. To say he should die because he has refused is absurd. If he wants to, he should help. He should probably also get some compensation. They will be running countless tests on him, and there can be billions made, so he should get some as well.

****** that...in that situation it's more than an obligation to help imo, and if he decided he didn't want to help, i'd vote for the party that passed legislation forcing him to. Millions of lives potentially saved vs. one selfish douchbag's rights, i know which i, and any other rational person would value more...
Utilitarianism isn't the only philosophy out there.

indeed, but i'm a 4th year law/economics student, where do you think i sit? ;)

I think you are a deluded authoritarian. That's where I think you sit.