Scion TC...do people who own them think they are fast?

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: RKS

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Both cars listed are slower then sh!t.

without getting into a discussion about racing. You do realize it the the same VQ that is used in the 350Z and older G35? Granted you have drivetrain and other minor engine/exhaust differences but the engine is basically the same.

let me take a 14 and a half second yawn.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: zeruty

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Gotcha, it does have a good bit of power, I was just looking into it a little deeper. I've seen some of these "ricer" cars beat a lot of cars... especially the V6 Mustangs, slap an automatic on them and you're sure to lose with the V6 Stang. Issue is that the ricer car probably has shorter gearing, weigh's a ton less, is FWD, etc. and those things are enough to make it win.

Ok... different gearing, and weighing less... those I understand... but how the hell would fwd be an advantage while racing?
Maybe fwd is better for people who don't know how to drive... but rwd and awd are better for driving fast if you know what you are doing...

When you accelerate, where does the weight shift to? To the back, right? This means that in a straight line, FWD would be best, less friction.

You then have issues of launching the car, because there won't be as much weight there, it means that it's easier to get wheel spin. Well, with a Scion tC, I don't think that's going to be much of an issue unless the driver tries to do a burnout.

There are videos showing a 200-230HP civic beat an Evo. It has weight and the fact that it's FWD on its side.

Yeah, FWD is stupid when trying to do anything besides this, but I'm just pointing out what made a difference in this situation.

Edit: Just thinking about what I said... why does it matter where the weight shifts? The total friction and energy required to move the car is what matters. This means that the only advantage FWD might have is less drivetrain power loss. I'm an idiot for not thinking about this sooner.

LOL dude, the amount of misinformation in your post is appalling, I don't even know where to start.

+1

I thought about trying, but my brain asploded.

Did you read the edit or any other posts in this thread at all?

Your bolded edited part is still wrong.

It does matter where the weight shifts because of physics; moment of inertia will always shift in the direction opposite of acceleration. This automatically puts RWD at an inherent traction advantage over FWD.

It isn't FWD that is responsible for the slightly lower drive train loss, its the transverse mounting of the engine that eliminates the need for the ring and pinion gear in the differential.

Total friction and energy? Not sure where you are going with this, you're not really making sense. Again, RWD is superior for traction as you have four wheels contributing to contact with the road; the front wheels provide friction for steering and the rear wheels provide friction for propulsion. With FWD, you have the same tires doing both, greatly cutting down on traction and steering abilities since both functions have to share the same contact patches while the rear tires are merely dead weight.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

One night my cousin, myself, and some of his friends were out cruising. Some guy pulls up beside us at a red light in an MR2 or something like that. He looks down for a moment, I tell my cousin to rev the engine, he obliges, the guy looks up at the light, looks over and sees this mean beast. We just laugh, even he knew how it was going to end. So we just rolled away slowly.

 

[exdeath]

My best kills were in a beast like this.

Faded paint, rotted seats and headliner, cracked windshield, etc. Some punk with mommy and daddy's money in a shiny brand new sporty car would feel like rubbing it in, until that 400+ horse 440 4bbl came to life and schooled his cute little mustang/camaro/bmw/acura/mercedes/etc.

Man that must have been a ego buster having all your 733t buddies out for a spin in your new ride and getting schooled by a hoopty. Think we paid like $200 for it lol.

Mmm the smell of fuel, rubber, and 30 year old baked interior. Even took it up to 120 out in the middle of nowhere one time and it was like riding in a pillow.

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: randomlinh

Ford has had a stake in Mazda for years now. They've slowly climbed up to just over a 1/3 ownership stock wise (that was late 90's I believe, or early 2000). What in the world are you talking about?

And the 6 is nice, but that V6 is only useful in stick. My mom's is automatic... and it is nice, but it still feels sluggish to get going. Sadlly, I think Mazda is going to make the 6 bigger for the American market.

Then again, I might be a bit biased from being able to sit in a viper and feel that massive torque monster, heh.

Thanks for the clairfication. Yeah, the V6 in the mazda is actually the lowest in its class and I won't kid myself there. The competition is using 3.5L and up V6's with performance cam's and computer tunned intakes and full management systems. The average V6 in 07' is about 250 bhp.

Mazda was sorely missing a supercharged version of the 3.0L in 07. But mine, in my mind, is the nicer looking car and it's also the cheapest. I could of got the Mazdaspeed 3 for the same price if not cheaper with 263 bhp with a 2.4L direct fuel inject turber charged 4cly.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
lol@ trying to race anything with a maxima.

OMG I am so confused...has ATOT really gotten this stupid or do they just have an automatic read half the post and bash mode.

He was racing something with a lot less horsepower and it was the other person that wanted to go.

I am a strong advocate against amateurs street racing (100mph+) it gets people killed. I am also a strong advocate against people who thing their v6 econoboxes are sporty. I also hate rice with a passsion. There was nothing wrong with this.

Man I wish we had user ratings and not just thread ratings.

I have a sporty six cylinder and it IS fast. Deal with it.

 

[Skotty]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Skotty
If you were driving in the 80's, then you would think that pretty much all cars are fast these days. My somewhat heavy 81 Mustang had an 88HP 2.3L 4-cyl. Back then (in 1981) the top end Mustang engine was a 120HP 4.2L V8. In 82, they brought back the muscle car 5.0 V8, with 157 horsepower, just short of what a modern Scion tC has. Though the V8 probably had more torque. Still, I bet a new Scion tC could take an 82 5.0 V8 Mustang. From that same era, consider the 78-85 Lamborghini Countach LP400S and LP500S -- supercars in the day -- they only had between 350 and 375 horsepower and a 0-60 times of over 5.5 seconds.

Power levels these days are crazy. Family cars are getting muscle car engines, muscle cars are getting supercar engines, and supercars have gone totally insane.

The point? If you have a new or almost new car, even if it's a cheap turd of a new car, viewed over the last few decades you've got some power. A Scion tC isn't slow by my book, it's just that so many other new cars are faster.

The difference is that a 4 cyl making 150 HP is well tuned and operating at the peak of its ability while the 8 cyl that is making 150 HP is running on a crappy factory tune with restrictive intake, exhaust, etc. and is being underutilized.

I doubt someone with a Scion can spend a few hundred bucks and get 300+ HP out of it like you can with a 302 V8. Mod per mod, pound of boost per pound of boost, octane per octane, displacement wins, always.

A 5.0L V8 from the factory with only 157 HP isn't a engineering problem, its a PR problem.

But otherwise, yeah, horsepower is cheap and abundant these days. Which just makes ricers thinking they are badass with 75 HP all the more hilarious seeing as how they could have just bought a 250+ HP car for what they paid for their wing, body kit, and exhaust tip.

Agreed, and good point. I was speaking only factor tuned, but there is good aftermarket potential and support for some older cars and engines, including the V8 Mustangs.

 

[markgm]

What makes me laugh is when all of these people try to do this when I'm on my motorcycle. A 250cc bike would beat half of these people!

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: JackBurton
The opposite sh!t happened to me. There was this tricked out NEON (yeah you heard me, a Dodge Neon) driving down the freeway and he was trying to race me in my Camaro. Now my Camaro ain't anything big, but God damn, I thought I could at least take a Neon. I thought to myself, this guy is all show no go. I mean, how much horsepower can you get out of that little 4 cylinder? Well at about 60 I punch it, and freakin' flames come out of his tailpipe and he takes off like I was standing still. I was like, WTF?!!! One of the craziest things I've ever seen.

Did you happen to see a badge that said "SRT4" on that Neon?

Scion tC should be tS, for tehSlowness. My Civic beats up on them.

- M4H

Ok, I've seen SRT4s, and this was waaaay past an SRT4. The thing was waaay tricked out (actually overly tricked out with all kinds of sh!t coming off the car). I'm telling you, I REALLY thought it was all show no go. But God damn, I couldn't have been further from the truth. FREAKIN' FIRE COMING OUT OF THE TAILPIPES FOR GOD'S SAKE!! When I get my 350z, I've got to do that mod. That was great!

JackBurton meet Hellion Turbo Kit for Neons, Hellion meet Jack Burton.

 

[chris7b]

delete

 

[rh71]

President of a the save-gas-don't-drive-SUVs brigade goes street racing... film at 11.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: exdeath
My best kills were in a beast like this.

Faded paint, rotted seats and headliner, cracked windshield, etc. Some punk with mommy and daddy's money in a shiny brand new sporty car would feel like rubbing it in, until that 400+ horse 440 4bbl came to life and schooled his cute little mustang/camaro/bmw/acura/mercedes/etc.

Man that must have been a ego buster having all your 733t buddies out for a spin in your new ride and getting schooled by a hoopty. Think we paid like $200 for it lol.

Mmm the smell of fuel, rubber, and 30 year old baked interior. Even took it up to 120 out in the middle of nowhere one time and it was like riding in a pillow.

Take it to the track and see what happens.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Torque steer isn't the reason my car handles poorly. The suspension is the reason it handles poorly...mainly the rear suspension. I'd probably upgrade it if I thought it would be worth it...but it isn't.

My car handles pretty well for a sedan in the curvies. The road that goes up the apartment complex that I live in is pretty curvy and is fun to drive down. But those darn Toyota RIVAs (see other thread~) keep slowing down for the speed bumps :|. They replaced them, you idiot, you can go over them without a problem (unlike before where you had to go under the speed limit or you'd bottom out). Although I'm quite sure there are plenty of cars that could handle the curvies a lot better .

Originally posted by: exdeath
You never know... there are guys stuffing the Toyota 2JZ-GTE into Honda S2000s...

Heh, it was more of a joke, but saying a Honda is powered by Honda is just not necessary. Maybe we should convince the Acura kiddies to start putting the "Powered by Honda" stickers on their car.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: rh71
President of a the save-gas-don't-drive-SUVs brigade goes street racing... film at 11.

Hey, I drive a car a couple times a week. Why not have a little fun in it every now and then? ZOMG!!! My fuel economy probably dropped down into the mid teens for a couple seconds one day last week! I know, I'll put the car in neutral while coasting to make up for it...

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: rh71
President of a the save-gas-don't-drive-SUVs brigade goes street racing... film at 11.

... I know, I'll put the car in neutral while coasting to make up for it...

Atta boy! :thumbsup:

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: rh71
President of a the save-gas-don't-drive-SUVs brigade goes street racing... film at 11.

Hey, I drive a car a couple times a week. Why not have a little fun in it every now and then? ZOMG!!! My fuel economy probably dropped down into the mid teens for a couple seconds one day last week! I know, I'll put the car in neutral while coasting to make up for it...

Just keep it in gear...

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: rh71
President of a the save-gas-don't-drive-SUVs brigade goes street racing... film at 11.

Hey, I drive a car a couple times a week. Why not have a little fun in it every now and then? ZOMG!!! My fuel economy probably dropped down into the mid teens for a couple seconds one day last week! I know, I'll put the car in neutral while coasting to make up for it...

Just keep it in gear...

Okay, I've gotten two different opinions on this. Maybe I should make a thread about it just to clarify.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: exdeath
My best kills were in a beast like this.

Faded paint, rotted seats and headliner, cracked windshield, etc. Some punk with mommy and daddy's money in a shiny brand new sporty car would feel like rubbing it in, until that 400+ horse 440 4bbl came to life and schooled his cute little mustang/camaro/bmw/acura/mercedes/etc.

Man that must have been a ego buster having all your 733t buddies out for a spin in your new ride and getting schooled by a hoopty. Think we paid like $200 for it lol.

Mmm the smell of fuel, rubber, and 30 year old baked interior. Even took it up to 120 out in the middle of nowhere one time and it was like riding in a pillow.

Take it to the track and see what happens.

From what I've seen, the people that were the type he'd be going against would never be seen at the track. I had a friend bench racing me with an Eclipse Spyder. He kept thinking he'd beat me. He finally took it to a track, he has a bit over a second to make up to match my timeslip

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: Regs
My mazda 6s 07' is a rice burner killa biotch.

Your Mazda is, by most definitions, a rice burner...

As for the tC, the people who try to race in them are dumb but its a good enough car for the price, and it's the closest thing to "sporty" you'll find on a Toyota lot -- provided it isn't attached to a Lexus dealer (V6 Camry and all the Avalons are faster, but I wouldn't exactly call them "sporty" as far as handling and styling).

Wow you're calling a mazda 6 a rice burner. Talk about a major misunderstanding of the term.

"Rice burner" = Any Asian car, usually meant in a derogatory way.

"Rice" or "Ricer" = Dumbass with a bunch of stickers, a huge wing, a slow car, and a huge ego. These terms can also apply to any car that has been horribly disfigured by its owner, regardless of place of origin.

There is nothing to be confused about, that is the original definition of rice burner, ricer evolved from that. A ricer is a rice burner but a rice burner is not always a ricer. Unless you were referring to Ford owning Mazda...

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: exdeath
My best kills were in a beast like this.

Faded paint, rotted seats and headliner, cracked windshield, etc. Some punk with mommy and daddy's money in a shiny brand new sporty car would feel like rubbing it in, until that 400+ horse 440 4bbl came to life and schooled his cute little mustang/camaro/bmw/acura/mercedes/etc.

Man that must have been a ego buster having all your 733t buddies out for a spin in your new ride and getting schooled by a hoopty. Think we paid like $200 for it lol.

Mmm the smell of fuel, rubber, and 30 year old baked interior. Even took it up to 120 out in the middle of nowhere one time and it was like riding in a pillow.

Take it to the track and see what happens.

From what I've seen, the people that were the type he'd be going against would never be seen at the track. I had a friend bench racing me with an Eclipse Spyder. He kept thinking he'd beat me. He finally took it to a track, he has a bit over a second to make up to match my timeslip

Were talking about a track with curves right?

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: Regs
My mazda 6s 07' is a rice burner killa biotch.

Your Mazda is, by most definitions, a rice burner...

As for the tC, the people who try to race in them are dumb but its a good enough car for the price, and it's the closest thing to "sporty" you'll find on a Toyota lot -- provided it isn't attached to a Lexus dealer (V6 Camry and all the Avalons are faster, but I wouldn't exactly call them "sporty" as far as handling and styling).

Wow you're calling a mazda 6 a rice burner. Talk about a major misunderstanding of the term.

"Rice burner" = Any Asian car, usually meant in a derogatory way.

"Rice" or "Ricer" = Dumbass with a bunch of stickers, a huge wing, a slow car, and a huge ego. These terms can also apply to any car that has been horribly disfigured by its owner, regardless of place of origin.

There is nothing to be confused about, that is the original definition of rice burner, ricer evolved from that. A ricer is a rice burner but a rice burner is not always a ricer. Unless you were referring to Ford owning Mazda...

I got you. I just never heard that term applied to ALL asian cars.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: exdeath
My best kills were in a beast like this.

Faded paint, rotted seats and headliner, cracked windshield, etc. Some punk with mommy and daddy's money in a shiny brand new sporty car would feel like rubbing it in, until that 400+ horse 440 4bbl came to life and schooled his cute little mustang/camaro/bmw/acura/mercedes/etc.

Man that must have been a ego buster having all your 733t buddies out for a spin in your new ride and getting schooled by a hoopty. Think we paid like $200 for it lol.

Mmm the smell of fuel, rubber, and 30 year old baked interior. Even took it up to 120 out in the middle of nowhere one time and it was like riding in a pillow.

Take it to the track and see what happens.

It wasn't a race car, it was just basic transportation. The fact that it could beat the pants off stupid kids in their shiny expensive new cars when they tried to show off was just a bonus.

It would of course be killed by anyone who had a clue about cars; that thing was a heavy pig.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: rh71
President of a the save-gas-don't-drive-SUVs brigade goes street racing... film at 11.

Hey, I drive a car a couple times a week. Why not have a little fun in it every now and then? ZOMG!!! My fuel economy probably dropped down into the mid teens for a couple seconds one day last week! I know, I'll put the car in neutral while coasting to make up for it...

while(CUR_RPM > IDLE_RPM && THROTTLE_POSITION <= 0.01)
{
injector_pulse_width = 0;
}

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: Regs
My mazda 6s 07' is a rice burner killa biotch.

Your Mazda is, by most definitions, a rice burner...

As for the tC, the people who try to race in them are dumb but its a good enough car for the price, and it's the closest thing to "sporty" you'll find on a Toyota lot -- provided it isn't attached to a Lexus dealer (V6 Camry and all the Avalons are faster, but I wouldn't exactly call them "sporty" as far as handling and styling).

Wow you're calling a mazda 6 a rice burner. Talk about a major misunderstanding of the term.

"Rice burner" = Any Asian car, usually meant in a derogatory way.

"Rice" or "Ricer" = Dumbass with a bunch of stickers, a huge wing, a slow car, and a huge ego. These terms can also apply to any car that has been horribly disfigured by its owner, regardless of place of origin.

There is nothing to be confused about, that is the original definition of rice burner, ricer evolved from that. A ricer is a rice burner but a rice burner is not always a ricer. Unless you were referring to Ford owning Mazda...

Actually rice burner originally referred to Japanese bikes not cars, because they used rice alcohol or something like that.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Why do some of you get your panties in a knot over someone accelerating quickly from a stoplight in a non-residential area with no traffic and no danger to anyone else? This is a 4 lane divided road with a 50mph speed limit, no side streets and there was no traffic in front or behind us.

Because they can't stand the thought that other people have more fun in life than they do. You've been around long enough to know how any hint of street-racing goes at ATOT....people chastise the racer, and at the same time claim that their car is faster.