Scion TC...do people who own them think they are fast?

[ultimatebob]

The TC is a pretty looking car, but it really isn't much more than a two door Toyota Corolla.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: zeruty

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Gotcha, it does have a good bit of power, I was just looking into it a little deeper. I've seen some of these "ricer" cars beat a lot of cars... especially the V6 Mustangs, slap an automatic on them and you're sure to lose with the V6 Stang. Issue is that the ricer car probably has shorter gearing, weigh's a ton less, is FWD, etc. and those things are enough to make it win.

Ok... different gearing, and weighing less... those I understand... but how the hell would fwd be an advantage while racing?
Maybe fwd is better for people who don't know how to drive... but rwd and awd are better for driving fast if you know what you are doing...

When you accelerate, where does the weight shift to? To the back, right? This means that in a straight line, FWD would be best, less friction.

You then have issues of launching the car, because there won't be as much weight there, it means that it's easier to get wheel spin. Well, with a Scion tC, I don't think that's going to be much of an issue unless the driver tries to do a burnout.

There are videos showing a 200-230HP civic beat an Evo. It has weight and the fact that it's FWD on its side.

Yeah, FWD is stupid when trying to do anything besides this, but I'm just pointing out what made a difference in this situation.

Edit: Just thinking about what I said... why does it matter where the weight shifts? The total friction and energy required to move the car is what matters. This means that the only advantage FWD might have is less drivetrain power loss. I'm an idiot for not thinking about this sooner.

 

[YoungGun21]

Originally posted by: paulxcook
All show no go? I've never driven one. I'm guessing my police cruiser could probably beat one out.

If I start to lose I can just ram them anyway.

Don't yours have the Corvette engines? My dads department had the Crown Victoria's but with Corvette engines... odd couple lol

 

[ponyo]

It's going to be 100x worse if and when you get your Elise. I constantly get pickup trucks that want to race me for some strange reason.

 

[miri]

No, and ive owned mine for 3 years

I purchased the car because I wanted a sleek coupe with a hatchback that was priced reasonable for a new car, under 16k.

 

[JackBurton]

The opposite sh!t happened to me. There was this tricked out NEON (yeah you heard me, a Dodge Neon) driving down the freeway and he was trying to race me in my Camaro. Now my Camaro ain't anything big, but God damn, I thought I could at least take a Neon. I thought to myself, this guy is all show no go. I mean, how much horsepower can you get out of that little 4 cylinder? Well at about 60 I punch it, and freakin' flames come out of his tailpipe and he takes off like I was standing still. I was like, WTF?!!! One of the craziest things I've ever seen.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Abel007

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Edit-The Maxima weighs 3200lbs. The Scion tC weighs 2900lbs.

What year is your Maxima? A new one has a curb weight of 4600lbs give or take.

Only wrong by 1,000 pounds.

A new (2007) Maxima tips the scales at just barely under 3,600 pounds.

ZV

no one seems to notice that the #3 is right next to the #4

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: zeruty

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Gotcha, it does have a good bit of power, I was just looking into it a little deeper. I've seen some of these "ricer" cars beat a lot of cars... especially the V6 Mustangs, slap an automatic on them and you're sure to lose with the V6 Stang. Issue is that the ricer car probably has shorter gearing, weigh's a ton less, is FWD, etc. and those things are enough to make it win.

Ok... different gearing, and weighing less... those I understand... but how the hell would fwd be an advantage while racing?
Maybe fwd is better for people who don't know how to drive... but rwd and awd are better for driving fast if you know what you are doing...

When you accelerate, where does the weight shift to? To the back, right? This means that in a straight line, FWD would be best, less friction.

You then have issues of launching the car, because there won't be as much weight there, it means that it's easier to get wheel spin. Well, with a Scion tC, I don't think that's going to be much of an issue unless the driver tries to do a burnout.

There are videos showing a 200-230HP civic beat an Evo. It has weight and the fact that it's FWD on its side.

Yeah, FWD is stupid when trying to do anything besides this, but I'm just pointing out what made a difference in this situation.

Edit: Just thinking about what I said... why does it matter where the weight shifts? The total friction and energy required to move the car is what matters. This means that the only advantage FWD might have is less drivetrain power loss. I'm an idiot for not thinking about this sooner.

LOL dude, the amount of misinformation in your post is appalling, I don't even know where to start.

 

[Gillbot]

Street racing is against the law.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Gillbot
Street racing is against the law.

WHAT?!!! When did that happen?!!!

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: Gillbot
Street racing is against the law.

Obligatory owl pic.

 

[Imdmn04]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
lol@ trying to race anything with a maxima.

OMG I am so confused...has ATOT really gotten this stupid or do they just have an automatic read half the post and bash mode.

He was racing something with a lot less horsepower and it was the other person that wanted to go.

I am a strong advocate against amateurs street racing (100mph+) it gets people killed. I am also a strong advocate against people who thing their v6 econoboxes are sporty. I also hate rice with a passsion. There was nothing wrong with this.

Man I wish we had user ratings and not just thread ratings.

I read the whole post, I fully know a scion is quite a bit slower than a maxima. What's your point?

Feeling superior in a Maxima against a Scion is like a turtle feeling good against a snail, or a highschool dropout feeling good against the mentally challenged.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
The TC is a pretty looking car, but it really isn't much more than a two door Toyota Corolla.

not really, give it a little more credit than that. it's the celica replacement essentially, it's got a 2.4L in there.

 

[TruePaige]

Did someone call a scion pretty? That thing looks like boxed ass

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Did someone call a scion pretty? That thing looks like boxed ass

Well put.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: zeruty

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Gotcha, it does have a good bit of power, I was just looking into it a little deeper. I've seen some of these "ricer" cars beat a lot of cars... especially the V6 Mustangs, slap an automatic on them and you're sure to lose with the V6 Stang. Issue is that the ricer car probably has shorter gearing, weigh's a ton less, is FWD, etc. and those things are enough to make it win.

Ok... different gearing, and weighing less... those I understand... but how the hell would fwd be an advantage while racing?
Maybe fwd is better for people who don't know how to drive... but rwd and awd are better for driving fast if you know what you are doing...

When you accelerate, where does the weight shift to? To the back, right? This means that in a straight line, FWD would be best, less friction.

You then have issues of launching the car, because there won't be as much weight there, it means that it's easier to get wheel spin. Well, with a Scion tC, I don't think that's going to be much of an issue unless the driver tries to do a burnout.

There are videos showing a 200-230HP civic beat an Evo. It has weight and the fact that it's FWD on its side.

Yeah, FWD is stupid when trying to do anything besides this, but I'm just pointing out what made a difference in this situation.

Edit: Just thinking about what I said... why does it matter where the weight shifts? The total friction and energy required to move the car is what matters. This means that the only advantage FWD might have is less drivetrain power loss. I'm an idiot for not thinking about this sooner.

LOL dude, the amount of misinformation in your post is appalling, I don't even know where to start.

First, I admitted to false information at the end, did you read the bolded edit?

Second, if you factor in my edit, what else is is wrong?

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: zeruty

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Gotcha, it does have a good bit of power, I was just looking into it a little deeper. I've seen some of these "ricer" cars beat a lot of cars... especially the V6 Mustangs, slap an automatic on them and you're sure to lose with the V6 Stang. Issue is that the ricer car probably has shorter gearing, weigh's a ton less, is FWD, etc. and those things are enough to make it win.

Ok... different gearing, and weighing less... those I understand... but how the hell would fwd be an advantage while racing?
Maybe fwd is better for people who don't know how to drive... but rwd and awd are better for driving fast if you know what you are doing...

When you accelerate, where does the weight shift to? To the back, right? This means that in a straight line, FWD would be best, less friction.

You then have issues of launching the car, because there won't be as much weight there, it means that it's easier to get wheel spin. Well, with a Scion tC, I don't think that's going to be much of an issue unless the driver tries to do a burnout.

There are videos showing a 200-230HP civic beat an Evo. It has weight and the fact that it's FWD on its side.

Yeah, FWD is stupid when trying to do anything besides this, but I'm just pointing out what made a difference in this situation.

Edit: Just thinking about what I said... why does it matter where the weight shifts? The total friction and energy required to move the car is what matters. This means that the only advantage FWD might have is less drivetrain power loss. I'm an idiot for not thinking about this sooner.

LOL dude, the amount of misinformation in your post is appalling, I don't even know where to start.

First, I admitted to false information at the end, did you read the bolded edit?

Second, if you factor in my edit, what else is is wrong?

Your edit states that fwd has less drivetrain power loss than what? rwd? if that is true, pass the weed man...

also you never mentioned that you were not right in stating that fwd is best for straight lines.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
The opposite sh!t happened to me. There was this tricked out NEON (yeah you heard me, a Dodge Neon) driving down the freeway and he was trying to race me in my Camaro. Now my Camaro ain't anything big, but God damn, I thought I could at least take a Neon. I thought to myself, this guy is all show no go. I mean, how much horsepower can you get out of that little 4 cylinder? Well at about 60 I punch it, and freakin' flames come out of his tailpipe and he takes off like I was standing still. I was like, WTF?!!! One of the craziest things I've ever seen.

Did you happen to see a badge that said "SRT4" on that Neon?

Scion tC should be tS, for tehSlowness. My Civic beats up on them.

- M4H

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: JackBurton
The opposite sh!t happened to me. There was this tricked out NEON (yeah you heard me, a Dodge Neon) driving down the freeway and he was trying to race me in my Camaro. Now my Camaro ain't anything big, but God damn, I thought I could at least take a Neon. I thought to myself, this guy is all show no go. I mean, how much horsepower can you get out of that little 4 cylinder? Well at about 60 I punch it, and freakin' flames come out of his tailpipe and he takes off like I was standing still. I was like, WTF?!!! One of the craziest things I've ever seen.

Did you happen to see a badge that said "SRT4" on that Neon?

Scion tC should be tS, for tehSlowness. My Civic beats up on them.

- M4H

:laugh:

 

[novasatori]

I've put a few people to shame with a stock Maxima, not by any means a super fast car, but its funny watching the wannabe racers get mad when you win.

 

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: Imdmn04

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
lol@ trying to race anything with a maxima.

OMG I am so confused...has ATOT really gotten this stupid or do they just have an automatic read half the post and bash mode.

He was racing something with a lot less horsepower and it was the other person that wanted to go.

I am a strong advocate against amateurs street racing (100mph+) it gets people killed. I am also a strong advocate against people who thing their v6 econoboxes are sporty. I also hate rice with a passsion. There was nothing wrong with this.

Man I wish we had user ratings and not just thread ratings.

I read the whole post, I fully know a scion is quite a bit slower than a maxima. What's your point?

Feeling superior in a Maxima against a Scion is like a turtle feeling good against a snail, or a highschool dropout feeling good against the mentally challenged.

the maxima isn't an F430 or an M5 by all means, but it's still a very quick car that is under $30k when it's new. hell, back in 2003, it has almost as much power as the american muscle icon mustang GT.

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Your edit states that fwd has less drivetrain power loss than what? rwd? if that is true, pass the weed man...

also you never mentioned that you were not right in stating that fwd is best for straight lines.

It actually does have less powertrain loss than RWD. The rest is false because he was thinking backwards as far as weight transfer. Most cars are not going to have a problem with the weight transfer thing bit because they do not have the power to overcome the friction of the tires, even if the weight is shifted to the rear. It is when you start getting into higher amounts of power that the weight transfer is a problem. AgaBoogaBoo was correct that there is less friction over the front wheels during a hard launch, but he is not thinking of why that would be bad if you had lots of power you needed to get to the ground (through friction) and why that makes FWD a bad drag race platform.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Captain Howdy

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Your edit states that fwd has less drivetrain power loss than what? rwd? if that is true, pass the weed man...

also you never mentioned that you were not right in stating that fwd is best for straight lines.

It actually does have less powertrain loss than RWD. The rest is false because he was thinking backwards as far as weight transfer. Most cars are not going to have a problem with the weight transfer thing bit because they do not have the power to overcome the friction of the tires, even if the weight is shifted to the rear. It is when you start getting into higher amounts of power that the weight transfer is a problem. AgaBoogaBoo was correct that there is less friction over the front wheels during a hard launch, but he is not thinking of why that would be bad if you had lots of power you needed to get to the ground (through friction) and why that makes FWD a bad drag race platform.

Hmm, now that I think about it, there is a longer drive shaft connected to the wheels...

Why exactly does rwd have more power loss?

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Captain Howdy

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Your edit states that fwd has less drivetrain power loss than what? rwd? if that is true, pass the weed man...

also you never mentioned that you were not right in stating that fwd is best for straight lines.

It actually does have less powertrain loss than RWD. The rest is false because he was thinking backwards as far as weight transfer. Most cars are not going to have a problem with the weight transfer thing bit because they do not have the power to overcome the friction of the tires, even if the weight is shifted to the rear. It is when you start getting into higher amounts of power that the weight transfer is a problem. AgaBoogaBoo was correct that there is less friction over the front wheels during a hard launch, but he is not thinking of why that would be bad if you had lots of power you needed to get to the ground (through friction) and why that makes FWD a bad drag race platform.

Hmm, now that I think about it, there is a longer drive shaft connected to the wheels...

Why exactly does rwd have more power loss?

Yeah, it is the driveshaft, and the fact that the power has to change directions, which requires a more substantial differential, which has to use thicker oil. It is probably fairly negligible, and moot on FWDs that use longitudinal engine mounting (which is very rare).

 

[amicold]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: paulxcook
All show no go?

Eh, not really. I think they look rather boring, and slow.

If you want no show, in the performance sense (it's luxurious), and all go, check out the Volvo S60R AWD. You'll see what I'm talking about. It's the ultimate sleeper car.

My Buick Regal is faster But I do love those Volvos.