"Science is liberal and anti-American." (Conservapedia)

[buckshot24]

Occam's Razor is arguably the most important of scientific principles, this is true. Given any 2 or more arguments, the one with the least number of assumptions is most likely to be the truth. And faith is, by definition, an assumption.

Then why do you place your blind faith in the power of mutation and selection?

 

[Vic]

Then why do you place your blind faith in the power of mutation and selection?

1. You have no idea what I may or may not believe, and

2. If you roll the dice an infinite number of times, you're going to hit an infinite number of sevens.

Creationists sell God short. Why would He use magic when He could use logic?

 

[buckshot24]

1. You have no idea what I may or may not believe, and

I think I'm making a pretty safe assumption. But I may be wrong, granted.

"Science" is currently telling us that random mutation and selection is what drives evolution yet there isn't a hint of evidence that mutations can add up to build complex cellular machines. This seems to be assumed and an axiom instead of a testable hypothesis.

2. If you roll the dice an infinite number of times, you're going to hit an infinite number of sevens.

Are these rolls occurring in space time? if so you will never reach an infinite number of rolls.

Creationists sell God short. Why would He use magic when He could use logic?

I don't think engineering is magic, why do you assume it is magic?

 

[Moonbeam]

Is that a yes or no?

The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon. Your guestion is meaningless. You either describe God to the best of your experience or you reference somebody's experience that pretends to be authoritative perhaps under the pretense it is the word of God. I would call the latter faith without understanding, mechanical thinking. You may believe that God exists, but I know that He exists. I do not require faith nor do I need authority.

 

[dank69]

Now I see what Brad was talking about. I'll leave it at this as none of it is my main point anyway.

You see what realibrad was talking about? Are you saying I am wrong when I point out the fact that there are ways to be deceitful without committing the act of lying? Is pointing to universally accepted definitions considered some new form of twisted logic that only I possess, thus requiring a new label of "dank logic"?

That is in the text, I didn't make that text up and I didn't translate it. Why are you so quick to believe something because I decided not to refute it? It isn't the point I was making so I didn't argue against it.

The argument they are making in that article is that Allah should be given special treatment, not that the text doesn't say what I said it says. The same word is used for the Jews being deceitful as Allah but with Allah its ok for reasons.

You clearly didn't even read Jediyoda's post as it explained that "deceitful" is a mistranslation. The Koran does not say that God is the best deceiver, so why do you still think it does? The Koran says that God is the best plotter. Do you have a problem with the statement that God is the best plotter?

 

[soulcougher73]

How can He?

Two concepts of God can be found in the Bible and the Koran.

In the Bible says that God cannot lie.

The Koran says God is the best deceiver. Quran 3:54

Obviously both cannot be true.

So the Koran got it right and you are being deceived in the bible

 

[soulcougher73]

I'm not going to get caught up in the weeds on an ancillary point like this. I'm not persuaded that you're right and I can post links arguing against your link, but I won't.

LOL so typical of you.

 

[soulcougher73]

careful, you might end up on....

The 'list'

LOL dun dun dun

 

[soulcougher73]

Sorry you had to go through that. They were wrong.
I'm not saying God doesn't have enough power to do anything. I'm saying power itself can't accomplish certain things even if there is an unlimited supply of it.

You ever stop to think with everyone else having a different answer than you that maybe you are the one who's wrong? Not like you have a lot of backers behind you saying "this guy speaks the truth".

Nah.. Of course you havent.

 

[soulcougher73]

You aren't going to look? Do you have some problem with rationalwiki?

I think its the rational part in the site he has a problem with. Being rational would shatter his fragile egg shell mind.

 

[soulcougher73]

Don't you think talking about favorite cookie flavors is just as meaningful? You've created your own god with attributes you like which is called idolatry.

Pot meet Kettle?

 

[sandorski]

You ever stop to think with everyone else having a different answer than you that maybe you are the one who's wrong? Not like you have a lot of backers behind you saying "this guy speaks the truth".

Nah.. Of course you havent.

According to Buck:

God has enough Power to do Anything. Power can't do Everything.
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I don't even.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Do you want to take your little balls and run home like an angry little boy? You can take your little pearls of what you think is wisdom, run away and keep them all to yourself.

Lock yourself up in a cabin in the woods. Just you and your little precious pearls of wisdom. You can grow old and grey, into an angry old miser who kept all of his wisdom to himself while calling everyone else childish names like swine.

I'm not angry in the slightest. My comment was more directed towards Moonie as I don't understand why he bothers attempting to explain something that is impossible to explain by merely using words. Personally, I would love for you to know what I know and would give you that understanding in a heartbeat if that were possible.

 

[dank69]

According to Buck:

God has enough Power to do Anything. Power can't do Everything.
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I don't even.

IMO that might be somewhat valid. It would mean God isn't omnipotent though.

 

[sandorski]

IMO that might be somewhat valid. It would mean God isn't omnipotent though.

Assuming a god exists, it might not be able to do anything/everything, but that wasn't his statement. He stated god could do anything, but then contradicted that statement by saying that the aspect of god that could do anything was incapable of doing everything. "Anything" and "Everything" are synonymous, it is not possible for one to be true and the other false.

 

[dank69]

Assuming a god exists, it might not be able to do anything/everything, but that wasn't his statement. He stated god could do anything, but then contradicted that statement by saying that the aspect of god that could do anything was incapable of doing everything. "Anything" and "Everything" are synonymous, it is not possible for one to be true and the other false.

I know but I think it was later clarified to "God can do anything that power can do."

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

maybe we can collectively ignore bucktard and go on with our lives. the guy is either a magnificent troll or just another religious zealot.

 

[dank69]

maybe we can collectively ignore bucktard and go on with our lives. the guy is either a magnificent troll or just another religious zealot.

Are we certain that buckshot is a guy? I seem to remember someone referring to buckshot as a she. Doesn't really matter in this context, I just don't want to offend anyone. Unnecessarily anyway.

 

[thraashman]

It's hard to believe it's not satire. It reads exactly as if leftists were caricaturing conservative positions.

I remember a couple years ago a conservative friend of mine posted some list of Tea Party beliefs (or something like that). And after reading it I realized that if I were asked to come up with a mock list of "beliefs" of the Tea Party in order to be insulting to them, I wouldn't have gone as extreme as their ACTUAL beliefs. That's how crazy a large amount of the right has become, their real beliefs sound like caricature.

 

[Grooveriding]

 

[buckshot24]

You see what realibrad was talking about? Are you saying I am wrong when I point out the fact that there are ways to be deceitful without committing the act of lying? Is pointing to universally accepted definitions considered some new form of twisted logic that only I possess, thus requiring a new label of "dank logic"?

Like I said, this really isn't my main point and not worth wasting both our time on. I would say lying is using deceit in any manner. But lets stop quibbling about irrelevancies, shall we?

You clearly didn't even read Jediyoda's post as it explained that "deceitful" is a mistranslation. The Koran does not say that God is the best deceiver, so why do you still think it does? The Koran says that God is the best plotter. Do you have a problem with the statement that God is the best plotter?

Why on earth are you accepting that article as the gospel truth? Because it contradicts me? The root of the word is makaru and it does mean deceit.

And all you have to do is understand what that passage is talking about. It is saying Allah tricked the apostles into thinking Jesus was killed (when he hadn't been and had been replaced by Allah by an imposter) and rose from the grave so they would believe a lie. He deceived them according to the text.

 

[buckshot24]

IMO that might be somewhat valid. It would mean God isn't omnipotent though.

What does omnipotence mean to you? The power to do anything and everything at all?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/omnipotent
http://beta.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/omnipotence
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/omnipotence

None of these agree with that.

If power can achieve something then God has enough power to achieve it.

This seems to be straight forward.

 

[dank69]

Like I said, this really isn't my main point and not worth wasting both our time on. I would say lying is using deceit in any manner. But lets stop quibbling about irrelevancies, shall we?
Why on earth are you accepting that article as the gospel truth? Because it contradicts me? The root of the word is makaru and it does mean deceit.

And all you have to do is understand what that passage is talking about. It is saying Allah tricked the apostles into thinking Jesus was killed (when he hadn't been and had been replaced by Allah by an imposter) and rose from the grave so they would believe a lie. He deceived them according to the text.

Maybe I am reading your image wrong but it looks to me that it means plotted, planned, etc. and the root is the word that means deceived.

 

[dank69]

What does omnipotence mean to you? The power to do anything and everything at all?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/omnipotent
http://beta.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/omnipotence
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/omnipotence

None of these agree with that.

If power can achieve something then God has enough power to achieve it.

This seems to be straight forward.

It does seem straightforward. Those definitions show it means having unlimited and/or infinite power yet you claim that God's power is not infinite and is indeed limited.

 

[buckshot24]

It does seem straightforward. Those definitions show it means having unlimited and/or infinite power yet you claim that God's power is not infinite and is indeed limited.

How?