Schools start later in CA

[repoman0]

I wasn't specifically talking about South Carolina in this topic.

I'm generally talking about younger children and people in rural areas. Everybody don't live in the suburbs or in the city. Do you think walking / riding a bike 10 miles to get to school is a good idea. Or having young elementary school students walk or ride a bike a long distance would be a good idea?

I know you are looking at this through your little tunnel vision for your specific comfort zone.

We are talking about middle and high school, younger children don't even apply. Try even the most basic quick skim of the article rather than arguing from ignorance as usual.

My father grew up in rural depressed upstate NY and even they could afford buses for all students. Buses don't only exist in the suburbs and city, I know this is hard for you to understand.

I do think 10 miles is a more than reasonable, even an easy biking distance for teens, but we generally have higher fitness expectations up here and get grossed out at the obesity levels down your direction. 10 miles is a 40 minute bike ride at an average pace.

 

[vi edit]

That is good for you. I don't get this part: In bed at 07:30 PM and get up at 06:00 AM? 10 hours in the bed.

Now how about other parents that don't have the luxury of going to work later in the morning and have to be on the job at 06:00 - 7:00 AM.

Pediatric recommendations are 10 hours of sleep for elementary age kids. Early teens are upwards of 12. There's a tremendous amount of brain growth happening that needs sleep for it to work. As far as work times, you figure it out. Family, neighbors, before care, have a spouse that has a different shift. Whatever. You make it work.

And "in bed" really means start bedtime ritual at 7:30. Two kids under 8 at the time and that was a 30+ minute process. If it was lights out at 8pm that was a successful night.

 

[Fenixgoon]

That is good for you. I don't get this part: In bed at 07:30 PM and get up at 06:00 AM? 10 hours in the bed.

Now how about other parents that don't have the luxury of going to work later in the morning and have to be on the job at 06:00 - 7:00 AM.

man, just imagine if you applied this kind of thinking and empathy to other topics!

(you'd become a dirty librul!)

 

[pcgeek11]

We are talking about middle and high school, younger children don't even apply. Try even the most basic quick skim of the article rather than arguing from ignorance as usual.

My father grew up in rural depressed upstate NY and even they could afford buses for all students. Buses don't only exist in the suburbs and city, I know this is hard for you to understand.

I do think 10 miles is a more than reasonable, even an easy biking distance for teens, but we generally have higher fitness expectations up here and get grossed out at the obesity levels down your direction. 10 miles is a 40 minute bike ride at an pace.

Well, Thanks for the insults and such. You're obviously very biased and have locked in on what works for you and no regard to others that are not specifically like you.

It is clear that you have never lived or know anything about a true rural area. I stated my take on this, not trying to convince you. To each his own, there is no one way to please everyone.

 

[pcgeek11]

Pediatric recommendations are 10 hours of sleep for elementary age kids. Early teens are upwards of 12. There's a tremendous amount of brain growth happening that needs sleep for it to work. As far as work times, you figure it out. Family, neighbors, before care, have a spouse that has a different shift. Whatever. You make it work.

And "in bed" really means start bedtime ritual at 7:30. Two kids under 8 at the time and that was a 30+ minute process. If it was lights out at 8pm that was a successful night.

Well I guess that works in both directions. Make it work either earlier or later classes.

 

[vi edit]

Well, Thanks for the insults and such. You're obviously very biased and have locked in on what works for you and no regard to others that are not specifically like you.

It is clear that you have never lived or know anything about a true rural area. I stated my take on this, not trying to convince you. To each his own, there is no one way to please everyone.

Eh. I did. I lived in a rural area. Well drilled 450 feet. Septic tank. Had a 20 mile drive to work. Kids were at a small elementary school of under 200 students for K-8. Yeah I've lived that life. Glad I now can get everywhere on a bike and my kids can walk to school. I would have had a $100 a week gas bill living there still. Rural America is a blight on infrastructure. It's not a problem with big cities. It's a burden on everyone else to support stuff that spread out.

 

[quikah]

School's here have an after school care program and the kids stay until someone picks them up.

So what is the problem? Have a before school care program for the early workers.

 

[pcgeek11]

So what is the problem? Have a before school care program for the early workers.

There isn't a problem here.
We still have regular school hours the same as we have always had.

 

[vi edit]

My oldest was self sufficient at 10 for that. She was at home for 30 minutes on her own after we had left and would get herself to the bus stop and lock the door behind her. The younger one would have just been a pre-care program that would bus him to school in the mornings. I chose to have kids, it's on me to find flexibility. If my employer allows it great. But that's a decision I made.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Thanks I'm fine here in South Carolina where my Military retirement, Company Pension and Social Security are not taxed by the state.

Military retirement is taxable in Massachusetts.

good,thanks for staying out.

 

[MrSquished]

That is good for You. Some people think Massachusetts is a shit hole state as in why they call people from there Massholes.


There is no one solution for everybody.
Later hours may work for some and I would guarantee that just as many would be unhappy with it.

Just because I have a different opinion does not mean that I am wrong.

The facts are Massachusetts has some of the best public schools in the nation, top 4 I think. Also ranks way higher than most southern states in a myriad of other quality of life metrics, from health to crime. Definitely south Carolina.

The people think that Mass is a shithole state are just ignorant fools with no data.

 

[quikah]

There isn't a problem here.
We still have regular school hours the same as we have always had.

Great, so there is no problem with this later start time.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The facts are Massachusetts has some of the best public schools in the nation, top 4 I think. Also ranks way higher than most southern states in a myriad of other quality of life metrics, from health to crime. Definitely south Carolina.

The people think that Mass is a shithole state are just ignorant fools with no data.

sounds like you nailed it.

 

[pcgeek11]

Great, so there is no problem with this later start time.

Maybe a good compromise would be an early starting period for those that wish and a later start time for those that need to sleep in.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Maybe a good compromise would be an early starting period for those that wish and a later start time for those that need to sleep in.

Ok, so how many more staff and teachers will it take? What's the total cost of extending school hours for a few early birds.

Also, remember I'm an early riser, and do my best work between 6am-2pm. Understand that this is not the norm.

 

[pcgeek11]

Ok, so how many more staff and teachers will it take? What's the total cost of extending school hours for a few early birds.

Also, remember I'm an early riser, and do my best work between 6am-2pm. Understand that this is not the norm.

But it's about the children.

 

[ch33zw1z]

But it's about the children.

sure, but as adults we take those other variables into account because that’s our job, planning.

it seems like you didn’t, 🤷‍♂️

 

[pcgeek11]

sure, but as adults we take those other variables into account because that’s our job, planning.

it seems like you didn’t, 🤷‍♂️

My actual take was to leave the time as it has always been and the kids that need extra sleep need to go to bed earlier.

The early and late class idea was the only way to keep everyone happy. But it appears that it has problems too.

 

[ch33zw1z]

My actual take was to leave the time as it has always been and the kids that need extra sleep need to go to bed earlier.

The early and late class idea was the only way to keep everyone happy. But it appears that it has problems too.

your actual take didn’t factor in the article. Care to read it now?

 

[pcgeek11]

your actual take didn’t factor in the article. Care to read it now?

I already have.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I already have.

cool, so it’s down to your feels then, as usual.

 

[MrSquished]

sounds like you nailed it.

Just checked the rankings, seems like Mass is actually #1 public schools in the country, followed by CT and then NJ. I hear a lot of people say on various subreddits that they won't leave NJ because they want their kids to get a top public education to then get into a good college. It's a feature of living in these states. You pay more but you get more. Generally better medical and public services too.

 

[UNCjigga]

LOL, here in Durham they moved up Kindergarten start time to 7:15am. But hey, kids now get a free canned fruit in syrup, sugary yogurt, or carb-loaded snack cake “breakfast” at school, so…thanks USDA!

 

[Zorba]

Everybody functioned fine in the old days, but you are entitled to your opinion(s).

Feel free to link that up. Also fine isn't the same as optimal.

 

[nakedfrog]

I wasn't specifically talking about South Carolina in this topic.

I'm generally talking about younger children and people in rural areas. Everybody don't live in the suburbs or in the city. Do you think walking / riding a bike 10 miles to get to school is a good idea. Or having young elementary school students walk or ride a bike a long distance would be a good idea?

I know you are looking at this through your little tunnel vision for your specific comfort zone.

In our school district, if you were more than a mile as the crow flies from the school, you were eligible for bus service.
This was in a rural area, city of under 7k population, with one public elementary school and one public high school.