Schools start later in CA

[pcgeek11]

glad you agree, since you’ve shown it to be true. That means you’re ok with it.

I’ll keep your deep concern in mind when mocking you for voting for Trump twice. Lol, what a clown

I see you have poor reading skills. Nowhere did I say I agree with you.

 

[pcgeek11]

right, that’s not your news source at all, lol.

I'm glad you agree.

** See I can imitate the same poor reading skills as you.

 

[quikah]

Everybody functioned fine in the old days, but you are entitled to your opinion(s).

LOL. I failed a class in college because it was at 7AM (30yrs ago). Everybody did not function fine, they just had no other choice. These early morning times are archaic and pointless. We don't need to get up at the crack of dawn anymore so we have enough light to work the fields before the sun goes down.

 

[dainthomas]

This isn't a conversation about race or civil rights, minimum wage, safety laws, or overtime. It is about getting up on time to go to school.

It also prepared them to get up to go to work and being on time and flexible.

Everybody functioned fine in the old days, but you are entitled to your opinion(s).

Science doesn't care about your feelings or your anecdotal experiences.

 

[herm0016]

Traditions (>) Trump (>) Facts

Equations have equal signs. This is an expression.

basic grade school stuff. if you want to try to insult people, at least get the math right.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I see you have poor reading skills.

Another electable quality for geek!

 

[ch33zw1z]

Equations have equal signs. This is an expression.

basic grade school stuff. if you want to try to insult people, at least get the math right.

Why is this considered an insult? It's just a truth, not like a truthy truth based on unverifiable facts, but one based on observable factual reality.

I mean, if this is to be considered an insult just because it "hurts" someone's feels, fuck their feels, right? isn't that what half of america chants about?

 

[nakedfrog]

This isn't a conversation about race or civil rights, minimum wage, safety laws, or overtime. It is about getting up on time to go to school.

It also prepared them to get up to go to work and being on time and flexible.

Everybody functioned fine in the old days, but you are entitled to your opinion(s).

Your opinion is that "everybody functioned fine in the old days".
Your opinion is that changing the way we do things based on evidence isn't a worthwhile endeavor.

 

[pcgeek11]

LOL. I failed a class in college because it was at 7AM (30yrs ago). Everybody did not function fine, they just had no other choice. These early morning times are archaic and pointless. We don't need to get up at the crack of dawn anymore so we have enough light to work the fields before the sun goes down.

You failed a class in college because you had to get up early.

No, you failed because you didn't apply yourself properly. Getting up early is just an excuse you are using to justify your failure.

 

[pcgeek11]

Your opinion is that "everybody functioned fine in the old days".
Your opinion is that changing the way we do things based on evidence isn't a worthwhile endeavor.

I should rephrase that "everybody" didn't function fine in the old days. There have always been slackers and people that don't want to get up on time for the days task.

 

[nakedfrog]

I should rephrase that "everybody" didn't function fine in the old days. There have always been slackers and people that don't want to get up on time for the days task.

And there you have it. It was always just a moral failing, not evidence of the actual science on display in this article--because that's compatible with your worldview.

 

[repoman0]

What is the reason for people like pcgeek11 to be reflexively against an obvious good thing like this? Just old man boomer jealousy syndrome that kids might have it better than they did and actually get a proper amount of sleep, learn better, etc?

 

[pcgeek11]

And there you have it. It was always just a moral failing, not evidence of the actual science on display in this article--because that's compatible with your worldview.

Wow just think if we had been getting up an hour later all along we would have an entire nation of geniuses.

Look at where we rank today education wise as compared to the past generations. I don't believe that is due to early classes.

Getting up on time to meet your obligations and getting your work completed on time are valuable tools to take into adulthood.

But then again maybe these days we should have first period begin at 09:30 - 10:00 AM and they can get out of classes about 6:30 PM just in time for dinner.

The science says later is better right?

 

[pcgeek11]

What is the reason for people like pcgeek11 to be reflexively against an obvious good thing like this? Just old man boomer jealousy syndrome that kids might have it better than they did and actually get a proper amount of sleep, learn better, etc?

Not even close. I don't think it is a good thing.

"Old man boomer jealousy" Just no again. I have nothing to be jealous about.

How about the parents that do have to be on the job for work at 07:00 AM. But their kids depend on them for a ride to school at 08:00 AM?

I believe we should prepare our children for the real world, not pamper them because they do not want to go to bed on time or get up early enough to go to school.

But as I said they are your kids and your problem not mine.

 

[nakedfrog]

Wow just think if we had been getting up an hour later all along we would have an entire nation of geniuses.

Is that what I said? Or what the article said? Did anyone imply that?

Look at where we rank today education wise as compared to the past generations. I don't believe that is due to early classes.

What do you believe causes that?

Getting up on time to meet your obligations and getting your work completed on time are valuable tools to take into adulthood.

Okay? Is that somehow incompatible with a later start time?

But then again maybe these days we should have first period begin at 09:30 - 10:00 AM and they can get out of classes about 6:30 PM just in time for dinner.

The science says later is better right?

Is that what the science says? There might be hints in the article as to whether that's what it says, you'd probably have to read it to find out.

 

[repoman0]

Wow just think if we had been getting up an hour later all along we would have an entire nation of geniuses.

Look at where we rank today education wise as compared to the past generations. I don't believe that is due to early classes.

As usual, you are pulling things out of your ass. US proficiency in math and reading has been on a steady upswing for decades, and we never ranked particularly well. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...s-never-there/2012/07/01/gJQAwpgAHW_blog.html

But then again maybe these days we should have first period begin at 09:30 - 10:00 AM and they can get out of classes about 6:30 PM just in time for dinner.

9-3:30 seems reasonable. Kids are not in high school for 8-9 hours, no need for dishonest twisting of the argument.

 

[repoman0]

How about the parents that do have to be on the job for work at 07:00 AM. But their kids depend on them for a ride to school at 08:00 AM?

I believe we should prepare our children for the real world, not pamper them because they do not want to go to bed on time or get up early enough to go to school.

WTF? Ever heard of a bus or walking? Maybe you didn't have those "back in your day", lol. Speaking of preparing them for the real world, a convenient ride won't always be available.

My wife and I both live and work in the real world and we wake up when our bodies tell us they are rested, not when someone else tells us we need to be up, and we make very good money doing it.

But as I said they are your kids and your problem not mine.

I live in Massachusetts so my kids when I have them will have a serious competitive advantage over kids raised in shithole states that don't care about their well being or education. Thanks for your concern though!

 

[pcgeek11]

Is that what I said? Or what the article said? Did anyone imply that?

What do you believe causes that?

Okay? Is that somehow incompatible with a later start time?

Is that what the science says? There might be hints in the article as to whether that's what it says, you'd probably have to read it to find out.

The article says that the children are sleep deprived and that allowing the later classes will improve education. I suggested that maybe they should be going to bed earlier would accomplish the same thing ( in so many words ).

As many in here suggested that later start times for school is the answer and look down at the suggestion that earlier bed times would accomplish the same task without throwing parents under the bus trying to get the kids to school later when they have to be at work earlier.

Parents, teachers, cell phones in classes, kids with poor attitudes, in general the lax culture we have allowed to exist in schools.

No but later start times will cause later bed times and we will be back in the same boat again.

The article says they are sleep deprived. That isn't because they are getting up earlier... It is because they are not going to bed at a responsible time.

 

[pcgeek11]

WTF? Ever heard of a bus or walking? Maybe you didn't have those "back in your day", lol. Speaking of preparing them for the real world, a convenient ride won't always be available.

My wife and I both live and work in the real world and we wake up when our bodies tell us they are rested, not when someone else tells us we need to be up, and we make very good money doing it.



I live in Massachusetts so my kids when I have them will have a serious competitive advantage over kids raised in shithole states that don't care about their well being or education. Thanks for your concern though!

We did have buses and walking when I was young. LOL

Everybody doesn't have the access to buses and are close enough to walk to school.

Well you and your wife are the exception to most people. Most people have to be at work at a certain time and for a certain number of hours.

I'm sorry you have to live in Massachusetts. Your kids when you have them LOL.

 

[pcgeek11]

As usual, you are pulling things out of your ass. US proficiency in math and reading has been on a steady upswing for decades, and we never ranked particularly well. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...s-never-there/2012/07/01/gJQAwpgAHW_blog.html



9-3:30 seems reasonable. Kids are not in high school for 8-9 hours, no need for dishonest twisting of the argument.

Not arguing.

Getting to bed earlier would also cure the problem of being sleep deprived. Sorry if you don't like it.

 

[vi edit]

Not arguing.

Getting to bed earlier would also cure the problem of being sleep deprived. Sorry if you don't like it.

Meh.

My kids used to have to get up at 6:00am when in Kentucky to make the 6:50 bus pick up. To get adequate sleep they needed to get in bed by 7:30. That sucked ass. We often didn't get home from work until 5:30-6:00pm. Somewhere in that 90 minutes we had to shove in dinner, homework and a couple activities a couple times a week. It was fucking awful.

Moving to Portland and having classes start at 8:30 and my kids not having to get up until 7:30 is just such a massive quality of life change. They can stay up to 9pm. We have time to eat as a family. There's time for family time at night. It's not a massive rush.

It's just objectively better in almost every part of my life. It's just better than "go to bed earlier". Especially with it being daylight until 9pm. Nobody wants to go to bed in daylight.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Back when you were a kid, black people probably didn't have civil rights. Maybe they were just fragile just then.

Suck a dumb argument. Old men saying just cause some people functioned fine in the old days, everybody is weak now.

You know, fucking back in the day there was no minimum wage, no worries safety laws, no overtime, and people survived, today's workers are fragile!

Such weak minds

It's actually a tactic to deal with abuse, force others to live through the same abuse so it's more normalized in your mind.

 

[repoman0]

Everybody doesn't have the access to buses and are close enough to walk to school.

They do here, but then again, we care about education and our kids.

I'm sorry you have to live in Massachusetts. Your kids when you have them LOL.

No need to be sorry, I love it here and wouldn't live in any other part of this country.

Not sure what's funny, my wife and I are a few years away from kids.

 

[nickqt]

Equations have equal signs. This is an expression.

basic grade school stuff. if you want to try to insult people, at least get the math right.

Ohh, did you just math nazi me? How fitting.

Also, I didn't try to insult anyone, I did insult conservatives. Thanks for stopping by.

 

[ch33zw1z]

MA is great man, universal health care, low gun violence, intelligence is encouraged. If it was for the shitty nor’easters from time to time, it’d be 10/10