School cop throws high school girl to ground

[Fanatical Meat]

Straight from Fox New's article:



Lott = Sheriff

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/2...tudent-in-video-has-been-fired/?intcmp=hplnws

End of story. He did not follow procedure and is fired. Therefore, he handled the situation irresponsibly. There is no way around it. Body slamming and dragging the kid around a class room is not appropriate and has been reviewed by the sheriff and considered against procedure.

One more thing to add. I saw an interview with the Sheriff today, he said the law that forces him to send Deputies to school is foolish and not needed. He doesn't like the idea of arresting students, he doesn't have the manpower to handle these situations and its an improper use of his officers time/authority.

 

[CU]

Oh, IDK, use words maybe? Coersion, public shaming, ignoring, detention, suspension, taking away privileges, assigning additional work, moving her into the hallway, perhaps moving the entire class outside and shutting the lights off on her. Can they drive to school? Take away parking privileges. Is she in sports? Suspend from team. To name a few... Get creative, don't get violent.

Words: She was asked to leave several times by different people.
Coercion: The cop told her to move or he was going to move her.
Public shaming: I am not sure school can do that to a student, but I am for it.
Ignoring: Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away, plus it give the student the power.
Detention/Suspension: I think that was a given when she was told to leave and the principle came in. If you told to go to the principle's office that normally means you got detention or worse.
Privileges: Not a lot of privileges to take from a student unless you plan to force the parents to ground her.
More work: That she probably wouldn't do, then we are back to square one.
Move her to the hall: They tried to move her out of the desk and she resisted. Pretty sure she was going to resist any movement forced upon her.
Move the class: So, the student wins? Sets very bad example.
Parking / Sports: Doesn't solve the problem at hand, which was she was not leaving when told to.

When some really doesn't want to move, but you want them moved now force is required. Could he have been gentler sure. But, I don't think he was trying to hurt her or she would be really hurt. Also it is against the law in SC to disrupt class and you can be arrested for it. So, don't act up in class in SC and nothing will happen.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Frame-by-frame for the objectivity-impaired among us.

Elbow in the air, arm mid-swing:

Hand moving directly towards his face:

Potential contact, difficult to tell because her shirt is the same color as his, but you can see the lighting is different and her sleeve is a slightly lighter color, elbow sticking out towards the camera, wrist likely making contact with his neck/jaw:

More of the same:

The skin/fat on the left side of his jaw vibrating outwards as a direct hit is made:

Her fist is now visibly striking him in the face, her skin tone clearly lighter than either of their shirts:

The desk now rapidly begins to lift:

 

[Subyman]

Lol, dude he's got her by the neck when the arm starts to come up... He's already committed to slamming her because his arm is around her neck and his hand is under the chair.

 

[fskimospy]

Lol, dude he's got her by the neck when the arm starts to come up... He's already committed to slamming her because his arm is around her neck and his hand is under the chair.

It's amazing how much rationalizing is going on here by some people trying to justify this cop's actions.

 

[umbrella39]

Lol, dude he's got her by the neck when the arm starts to come up... He's already committed to slamming her because his arm is around her neck and his hand is under the chair.

Reverse neck hold and throwing chair you are seated in to the ground backwards. The natural reaction is to throw your arms up to defend your fall. He sees what he wants to see which is a menacing punch! W/E

 

[Darwin333]

For the sake of argument, lets say that flipping the chair over was necessary or reasonable. Once she was on the ground she was damn sure going to get out of the desk on her own and once she did I'm pretty sure that big ass cop could handle the little girl. So everything after the chair flipping, and again I think that was extremely excessive but we are pretending it wasn't, was unnecessary. If she got up swinging, unless you want to argue that she was a serious threat to the officer, he could have then used more force.

Annnnnd the Sheriff, the cops boss, agreed with me when he gave the press release about firing this POS cop. I'm sure the apologists will make excuses about the sheriff really not wanting to or some crap though.

Matter of fact he said something that I haven't really seen in this thread that makes a lot of sense concerning officer and public safety. When arresting someone who is unarmed you are supposed to keep control of them/your hands on them at all times. Throwing her across the room could give a suspect a chance to get a weapon, harm someone else, escape, etc... since you are no longer in control of them.

 

[Darwin333]

And so far NOTHING has happened to the student.

We are in for a world of hurt if we continue to reward this type of bad behavior from our kids.

The student was arrested and charged. Have the charges been dropped and I missed it? I would think dropping the charges might hurt them in the upcoming civil suit.

 

[cirrrocco]

^^ The cop apologists response

The Sheriff is a democrat
He is in love with a black woman
He is a pussy and wants to stand for reelection
He is getting money from NAACP
He got probed by aliens

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Lol, dude he's got her by the neck when the arm starts to come up... He's already committed to slamming her because his arm is around her neck and his hand is under the chair.

When does he "slam" her? His hand appears higher than her neck; in the first frame posted it is clearly near (potentially covering) her mouth.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Reverse neck hold and throwing chair you are seated in to the ground backwards. The natural reaction is to throw your arms up to defend your fall. He sees what he wants to see which is a menacing punch! W/E

Are you blind? All four legs of the chair are on the ground in the frames posted, except the last one. If he wanted to throw the chair immediately he could have done so.

EDIT: I take it back, the front two are lifted about an inch off the floor. He was still scooting her at that point. He doesn't rapidly flip it until the punch had been delivered, however.

 

[Darwin333]

Of course there is no outrage about this. No thread posted by cop haters on these boards. It is cool to hate the cops, not the other way around. Interested to hear the cop haters reaction to this, but I suppose it will be the cops fault, administrators fault, etc. Never, ever the students fault. Certainly the school should have handled it better!

Video posted on youtube to be the cool kids. Defying authority is exactly what this teaches. If you don't think the cop there had it in the back of his mind what happened with this case, you're delusional.

It's sad that the guy got body slammed and luckily he is ok and will return back to work. Notice how there was actually a violent situation happening and the cop didn't go all Rambo and somehow still managed to deescalate the situation and make the proper arrests? That's good police work right there, it's unfortunate that he hadn't arrived a few moments earlier and maybe the principal wouldn't have been body slammed. I gotta give it to the old guy, kid was bigger than him and he just got body slammed and still jumped right back up to try and break up the fight.

I'm not a cop hater, I'm an abuse of power, excessive force, bad shoots/murder, blue line of bullshit hater.

 

[jackstar7]

When does he "slam" her? His hand appears higher than her neck; in the first frame posted it is clearly near (potentially covering) her mouth.

Pull your pants back up, asshole.

 

[umbrella39]

Are you blind? All four legs of the chair are on the ground in the frames posted, except the last one. If he wanted to throw the chair immediately he could have done so.

EDIT: I take it back, the front two are lifted about an inch off the floor. He was still scooting her at that point. He doesn't rapidly flip it until the punch had been delivered, however.

Have someone come up behind you on your left side and throw their right arm across the front of your throat with your head now in their armpit and toss you backwards to the ground while seated in a chair. If you DON'T throw your arms up in response you are Superman.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Pull your pants back up, asshole.

I'm not even sure what this insult is supposed to imply. From the context you could either be calling me a thug-lover (saggy pants and all that being yelled at by a cop) or you could be saying that I'm jerking off to this. :hmm:

 

[DrDoug]

One more thing to add. I saw an interview with the Sheriff today, he said the law that forces him to send Deputies to school is foolish and not needed. He doesn't like the idea of arresting students, he doesn't have the manpower to handle these situations and its an improper use of his officers time/authority.

Yeah, I saw that and agree with him. Cops in school handling what should be administrative issues is just a bad idea. Not only was the cop a fail in this case, so were the teacher and the administrator. What's next? Tazing kids for refusing to take tests?

One other note is it turns out that the girl is a recent orphan (mother passed away) and she is in foster care.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Have someone come up behind you on your left side and throw their right arm across the front of your throat and toss you backwards to the ground while seated in a chair. If you DON'T throw your arms up in response you are Superman.

Again, bad chronology. It went like this:

1. Cop comes up behind her
2. Cop puts his right arm near her throat/head (but not in a stranglehold)
3. She punches him
4. She gets tossed while seated

I don't care about arm-throwing mid-toss. I care about it before the toss. The screencaps posted were all before the toss.

 

[DrDoug]

Are you blind? All four legs of the chair are on the ground in the frames posted, except the last one. If he wanted to throw the chair immediately he could have done so.

EDIT: I take it back, the front two are lifted about an inch off the floor. He was still scooting her at that point. He doesn't rapidly flip it until the punch had been delivered, however.

Dude, really... I can hear the fapping from here. Get a room!

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Yeah, I saw that and agree with him. Cops in school handling what should be administrative issues is just a bad idea. Not only was the cop a fail in this case, so were the teacher and the administrator. What's next? Tazing kids for refusing to take tests?

One other note is it turns out that the girl is a recent orphan (mother passed away) and she is in foster care.

I agree with this too to an extent, but what's the solution? Teachers can't physically discipline students in any way without having a buttload of legal trouble coming down on them. Cops being pulled into what should be simple school discipline matters are a response to the lack of solution to the problem.

 

[Darwin333]

Trying to move her with the desk seems like a dumb move. If the desk gets caught on something and hurts her, you'd be arguing the direct opposite, 'why did the cop move her with the desk, he should have removed her from the desk so it wouldn't have caused her harm'.

No one would be arguing that and you know it. The guy was a friggen bodybuilder so he could have easily pulled her and the desk out of the room. IF somehow, some crazy way, she was injured by the cop pulling the desk I would say that he showed proper restraint and managed the situation the best way possible for everyone involved. I would never call moving the desk of a kid who refuses to get out of her desk excessive. Once in the hallway he had plenty of time to reason with her and she wouldn't have much of a reason to stay in the desk. He also wouldn't be disrupting the class with violence.

 

[jackstar7]

I'm not even sure what this insult is supposed to imply. From the context you could either be calling me a thug-lover (saggy pants and all that being yelled at by a cop) or you could be saying that I'm jerking off to this. :hmm:

I appreciate these interpretations, but it was simpler than that: you're talking out of your ass.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Dude, really... I can hear the fapping from here. Get a room!

Right. Cops should not be able to escalate a situation when assaulted. Kids should be able to punch cops in the face and the cops should just tickle them into submission, or maybe just run away and let the parents handle things (oh wait, no parents).

 

[railer]

Sort of reminds of this incident, except I never heard about this on the national news, for some odd reason:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqdWqMyNyNo

 

[OCNewbie]

Lol, dude he's got her by the neck when the arm starts to come up... He's already committed to slamming her because his arm is around her neck and his hand is under the chair.

I think his hand was actually on her left pant leg (which happened to be under the desk).

 

[jackstar7]

Again, bad chronology. It went like this:

1. Cop comes up behind her
2. Cop puts his right arm near her throat/head (but not in a stranglehold)
3. She punches him
4. She gets tossed while seated

I don't care about arm-throwing mid-toss. I care about it before the toss. The screencaps posted were all before the toss.

You throw a lot of no-look punches? How does that usually work out on an effectiveness scale?