School cop throws high school girl to ground

[Subyman]

Logic prevailed here. Good to see.

 

[Xellos2099]

Are you implying it is perfectly ok for kids to ignore, teacher, principle and an officer order? If being diplomat have no effect, then what?

 

[OrByte]

A good opportunity to show you all how the media influences our perceptions

Did any of you see the youtube video of black kids throwing a white principal around at Florin High School in Sacramento yesterday?

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article41673117.html


I raise this as an issue because it makes more $$ for the media to show you all how a white officer tried (and failed) to subdue a black teenage girl. Notice that there is no national "dialogue" about the fights that broke out in Sacramento...

try and take off the media lenses for a minute...objectively this officer was following his rules to subdue a defiant and beligerent student. He got caught up in the heat of the moment when the student punched him. According to his superiors he was dismissed for using "excessive force" something I'm sure the officer will contend within his rights.

And so far NOTHING has happened to the student.

We are in for a world of hurt if we continue to reward this type of bad behavior from our kids.

 

[Xellos2099]

Why not just shoot them? Comply or die.

Seriously though, dealing with non-compliant persons is something most cops have to do most every day, and both the law and their departmental policies require that their use of force in such situations be proportional to the threat posed by the suspect. Period.

I meant if a cop tell you to put your hand on air or he will shoot; you reach for your pocket you WILL get shot.

 

[Homerboy]

He tried to remove her from the desk, and tired to do so without harm by grabbing her upper body, and leg to free from under the desk.

She resisted which is what caused the desk to flip over, and when flipped over she tried to hit him, after attempting to assault him, and when she was on the ground he pulled her from the desk.

The people on the left here think the teacher, administrator, a cop, should have all pleaded with her for hours to get her to leave the desk.

And maybe if force was needed, they sound get some padded gloves, bubble wrap the kid, then cover them in oil, so they could gently be removed for the chair.

Gotcha, so this is a left/right thing?

 

[Ackmed]

This was a school officer. Usually an (elected) sheriff's deputy, sometimes a local PD member, stationed in the school to ostensibly protect students and staff and keep the peace. Being a school officer is very different from being a street cop. It's typically more of a diplomat job than a soldier job. An officer who doesn't understand that has no business in a school, and this guy clearly was unsuited to it.

Good riddance, go work in Narcotics somewhere.

How do you know he was a school cop only? The original article states he worked a domestic while on patrol, before he started working in the school.

 

[MongGrel]

Gotcha, so this is a left/right thing?

Not really, but he always thinks that way of course.

Shallow mind syndrome.

 

[Ackmed]

A good opportunity to show you all how the media influences our perceptions

Did any of you see the youtube video of black kids throwing a white principal around at Florin High School in Sacramento yesterday?

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article41673117.html


I raise this as an issue because it makes more $$ for the media to show you all how a white officer tried (and failed) to subdue a black teenage girl. Notice that there is no national "dialogue" about the fights that broke out in Sacramento...

try and take off the media lenses for a minute...objectively this officer was following his rules to subdue a defiant and beligerent student. He got caught up in the heat of the moment when the student punched him. According to his superiors he was dismissed for using "excessive force" something I'm sure the officer will contend within his rights.

And so far NOTHING has happened to the student.

We are in for a world of hurt if we continue to reward this type of bad behavior from our kids.

Of course there is no outrage about this. No thread posted by cop haters on these boards. It is cool to hate the cops, not the other way around. Interested to hear the cop haters reaction to this, but I suppose it will be the cops fault, administrators fault, etc. Never, ever the students fault. Certainly the school should have handled it better!

Video posted on youtube to be the cool kids. Defying authority is exactly what this teaches. If you don't think the cop there had it in the back of his mind what happened with this case, you're delusional.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You can comprehend the difference between a student and a police officer, yes? A police officer is there to keep the peace, that is his/her job.
A student is usually a moron enclosed in an adolescent body.

We cannot have the same expectations for those two individuals. Not excusing the girl in this video, but the cop was an asshat to do what he did. That was well above reasonable force.

 

[Svnla]

A good opportunity to show you all how the media influences our perceptions

Did any of you see the youtube video of black kids throwing a white principal around at Florin High School in Sacramento yesterday?

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article41673117.html


I raise this as an issue because it makes more $$ for the media to show you all how a white officer tried (and failed) to subdue a black teenage girl. Notice that there is no national "dialogue" about the fights that broke out in Sacramento...

try and take off the media lenses for a minute...objectively this officer was following his rules to subdue a defiant and beligerent student. He got caught up in the heat of the moment when the student punched him. According to his superiors he was dismissed for using "excessive force" something I'm sure the officer will contend within his rights.

And so far NOTHING has happened to the student.

We are in for a world of hurt if we continue to reward this type of bad behavior from our kids.

Same thing for perps in certain color attack whites or other minorities. No FBI involvement, no federal investigation for "civil right" violation and such.

 

[Mandres]

Of course there is no outrage about this. No thread posted by cop haters on these boards

Because these cases have literally nothing in common except that they both involve one black and one white person...

Of course the media is going to seize on the perceived, and apparently actual considering the outcome, abuse of power and unauthorized use of force by authority figures. Our whole society has a vested interest in stopping that kind of abuse. I couldn't care less what color the victim is.

I'm starting to smell Stormfront troll.

 

[michal1980]

this isn't a liberal vs conservative issue. the fact you think so shows just how far of an extreme partisan moron you are.

and yet somehow the responses all follow that break down.

 

[michal1980]

Almost ever post, liberal this, liberal that.

I know people with parrots that honestly seem to have more common sense.

I'll just leave it at that, like arguing with a pile of dirt anyway if you want to represent yourself that way.

Do think your somehow better then me? That calling me dirt makes you a bigger person somehow?

 

[WackyDan]

This was a school officer. Usually an (elected) sheriff's deputy, sometimes a local PD member, stationed in the school to ostensibly protect students and staff and keep the peace. Being a school officer is very different from being a street cop. It's typically more of a diplomat job than a soldier job. An officer who doesn't understand that has no business in a school, and this guy clearly was unsuited to it.

Good riddance, go work in Narcotics somewhere.

Most of these guys are actually police officers that the district pays the police department for. During evenings and weekends they work overtime on road patrol, etc... During school summer vacations they are back to full time community policing.

My best friend is a cop and school resource officer. He has been assaulted by students multiple times.

 

[WackyDan]

I hope the cop sues.

 

[alien42]

and yet somehow the responses all follow that break down.

i would assume you are referring to this forum and more specifically this thread?

if so, you are still an extreme partisan moron for making the assumption that this forum and thread are somehow representative of the mass population.

that same lack of critical thinking skills is what leads you to racism and xenophobia.

 

[CitizenKain]

A good opportunity to show you all how the media influences our perceptions

Did any of you see the youtube video of black kids throwing a white principal around at Florin High School in Sacramento yesterday?

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article41673117.html


I raise this as an issue because it makes more $$ for the media to show you all how a white officer tried (and failed) to subdue a black teenage girl. Notice that there is no national "dialogue" about the fights that broke out in Sacramento...

try and take off the media lenses for a minute...objectively this officer was following his rules to subdue a defiant and beligerent student. He got caught up in the heat of the moment when the student punched him. According to his superiors he was dismissed for using "excessive force" something I'm sure the officer will contend within his rights.

And so far NOTHING has happened to the student.

We are in for a world of hurt if we continue to reward this type of bad behavior from our kids.

Or when people reward a cop for assaulting someone without cause. Why is this too difficult to understand?
Also, she didn't punch him, you are just stupid enough to believe that.

My best friend is a cop and school resource officer. He has been assaulted by students multiple times.

How often does he assault the students in return?

 

[michal1980]

I think you have the intelligence level of that cop. Try reasoning with her for a few minutes. If that doesn't work drag the chair with her out into the hall and call parents. Followed by suspension.

Why is that so damned hard to figure out?

a teacher tried to reason with her, it failed
a administrator tried to reason with her, it failed
a cop tried to reason with her, it failed.

Trying to move her with the desk seems like a dumb move. If the desk gets caught on something and hurts her, you'd be arguing the direct opposite, 'why did the cop move her with the desk, he should have removed her from the desk so it wouldn't have caused her harm'.

Still waiting for an acceptable answer from people on your side as to what should be done with kids ordered out of a room, that refuse to do so.

And leaving them in the room is not an acceptable answer, if they need to be removed, and they refuse to do so, whats the solution?

Teachers couldnt touch kids, admin couldnt, and now cops cant.

 

[alien42]

a teacher tried to reason with her, it failed
a administrator tried to reason with her, it failed
a cop tried to reason with her, it failed.

Trying to move her with the desk seems like a dumb move. If the desk gets caught on something and hurts her, you'd be arguing the direct opposite, 'why did the cop move her with the desk, he should have removed her from the desk so it wouldn't have caused her harm'.

Still waiting for an acceptable answer from people on your side as to what should be done with kids ordered out of a room, that refuse to do so.

And leaving them in the room is not an acceptable answer, if they need to be removed, and they refuse to do so, whats the solution?

Teachers couldnt touch kids, admin couldnt, and now cops cant.

moving the desk with her in it to the hallway is exactly what should have happened.

why are you such a staunch supporter of violence as the best option anyways?

 

[michal1980]

Gotcha, so this is a left/right thing?

Not really, but he always thinks that way of course.

Shallow mind syndrome.

Technically its, not, but it sure is playing out that way isnt it?

 

[CitizenKain]

Same thing for perps in certain color attack whites or other minorities. No FBI involvement, no federal investigation for "civil right" violation and such.

Its almost like its different when agents of the state are involved. This isn't difficult to understand, what is your excuse?

 

[brycejones]

I honestly don't see race being an issue in this case based on the information currently available.

The actions of the officer were beyond what was necessary and his firing represents an appropriate outcome. We've placed officers in schools as "resource officers" but in reality because people want them there to prevent extremely rare events like school shootings. But more frequently stories like this happen where an officer responds to a child (16 is still a child) acting like a child as if they are trying to manage a crime scene and the situation escalates way beyond what is necessary like this case.

Just because there is an officer on the grounds doesn't mean they should be engaged in situations which are little more than children being children.

 

[michal1980]

moving the desk with her in it to the hallway is exactly what should have happened.

why are you such a staunch supporter of violence as the best option anyways?

Because moving a person with a desk is safer then removing then from the desk?

If she was refusing to move from the desk, why would you assume she would nicely allowed to be moved in a desk?

 

[Svnla]

Its almost like its different when agents of the state are involved. This isn't difficult to understand, what is your excuse?

Oh really? Agents of the state are involved? I did not know George Zimmerman ever worked for the local/state/federal government. Shall we go on with your theory? 😀

 

[Homerboy]

Technically its, not, but it sure is playing out that way isnt it?

It's playing out that way because that is what politics and every news story has come down to in this country -- it's left vs right for EVERYTHING. It's just horrible and deplorable that people can't keep politics out of things. It's really quit pathetic of those that drag it into things like this. This situation/event has NOTHING to do with politics. PERIOD.