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Scholars Question Cheney's Role in 9/11

noto12ious

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Video of Mineta testimony: http://www.911truthmovement.org/video/hamilton_win.wmv


Experts conclude Vice President possessed foreknowledge and suggest Moussaoui trial a "distraction".


Duluth, MN (PRWEB) March 13, 2006 -- A society of experts and scholars contends that the prosecution of Zacarias Moussaoui -- for willfully concealing advance knowledge of the events of 9/11 -- has the status of a Soviet-style "show trial" and functions as a diversion from the real culprits. The nonpartisan group, Scholars for 9/11 Truth, asserts that the evidence implicating Vice President Dick Cheney of that very offense is more obvious and compelling. If they are even remotely correct, then the alleged terrorists appear to have been cast in the role of "patsies."

The experts base their conclusion on testimony presented to the 9/11 Commission by U.S. Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta on May 23, 2003, which was omitted from its final report, and on related events at the Pentagon. Members of the society will present their findings during a press conference to be held at 1 PM on Tuesday at the United States Courthouse in Alexandria, VA, the location of a trial to determine whether Moussaoui, who is called "the 20th hijacker", should serve a life term or receive the death sentence.

"Mineta's testimony is devastating," observed James H. Fetzer, Ph.D., McKnight Professor at the University of Minnesota. Fetzer is the founder and co-chair of the scholars' society, which recently joined with Judicial Watch in calling for release of documents, films and videos, and physical evidence withheld from the public by the administration. "It pulls the plug on the Commission's contention there was no advance warning that the Pentagon was going to be hit."

According to Secretary Mineta's testimony, which is in the public domain, when he (Mineta) arrived at an underground bunker at the White House (known as the Presidential Emergency Operations Center), the Vice President was in charge. "During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon", he stated, "there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, 'The plane is 50 miles out.' 'The plane is 30 miles out.'

"And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,'" Mineta continued, "the young man also said to the Vice President, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?'" One way to construe these remarks could be that the orders were to shoot down the plane.

The scholars suggest that that is an implausible interpretation. The Pentagon, they observe, may be the most heavily defended building in the world. If the orders had been to "shoot it down," then no doubt it would have been shot down. Moreover, there would have been no apparent reason for the young man to have expressed concern over whether or not "the orders still stand." Shooting it down, under the circumstances, would have been the thing to do.

"The only reasonable interpretation of the orders," Fetzer observed, "is that the incoming aircraft should not be shot down, which would have been an obvious source of anxiety for an aide. Since it contradicts the official story about the Pentagon," he added, "it had to be suppressed and was not even included in The 9/11 Commission Report." And other scholars, including Professor David Ray Griffin of Claremont Graduate University, have drawn the same conclusion.

Philip J. Berg, Esq., Former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania and a past candidate for Governor, Lt. Governor, and U.S. Senate from Pennsylvania, who is a member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, added, "Those who made it happen were obviously in the position to know that it was going to happen and therefore could have sounded a warning alarm. The case against Cheney is more powerful than the case against Moussaoui. No one is more culpable than the perpetrators. If Moussaoui deserves the death penalty, what does our Vice President deserve?"

Berg also represents William Rodriguez, a WTC witness, in a RICO lawsuit against officials in the administration for complicity in the events of 9/11, being U.S. District Court (Philadelphia) Case Number 04CV4952. Other members of the society include Robert Bowman, head of the "Star Wars" program in both Democratic and Republican administrations; Morgan Reynolds, former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor in the Bush administration; Andreas von Buelow, former assistant defense minister of Germany; Steven E. Jones, a professor of physics from Brigham Young University and the society's co-chair; and Griffin, a noted theologian and author of The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions.

Members of the society point to other indications of advance knowledge, which include volumes of put-options placed by betting that the stock value of United and American Airlines would drop. The SEC has detailed information about those who placed the options, which it has not released to the public. "Time and time again," Fetzer remarked, "evidence that would expose the official account to be a deception and a hoax intended to manipulate the nation has been concealed."

According to Fetzer, experts in the society of scholars, including pilots and aeronautical engineers, physicists and mechanical engineers, have established that flying these planes would have been beyond the "hijackers" capabilities, that it would have been virtually impossible for cell phone calls to have been placed during those flights, and that even the Saudi Arabian Embassy has long confirmed that several of the accused "hijackers" did not die on 9/11.

"It does not take rocket science to infer that, if these guys were killed in the crash of these aircraft, then they cannot be alive and well and living in Saudi Arabia," he remarked, "yet the FBI has not bothered to revise its list of suspects." Other studies available on the society's web site at www.st911.org indicate that the passenger manifests for the four flights did not include the names of the hijackers nor were autopsies conducted on them.

"A growing body of evidence supports the inference that these 19 men were patsies for forces within the United States government," Fetzer concluded. "This trial appears to be yet one more illustration of Karl Rove's policy of 'creating our own reality' to serve the political goals of the administration, even when it comes at the cost of the lives and the security of the American people. The idea that Bush is 'the security president' is just a cruel joke!"

Documentary support for the conclusions reported here may be found at the Scholars for 9/11 Truth web site at www.st911.org.

For Further Information:

James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.
Founder and Co-Chair
Scholars for 9/11 Truth
(218) 726-7269 (office)
(218) 724-2706 (home)
(218) 726-7119 (fax)
http://www.st911.org

Philip J. Berg, Esq.
706 Ridge Pike
Lafayette Hill, PA 19444
(800) 993-7445 (office)
(610) 834-7659 (fax)
(610) 662-3005 [cell
http://www.911forthetruth.com


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source: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/3/prweb357922.htm

Video of Mineta testimony: http://www.911truthmovement.org/video/hamilton_win.wmv
 
"Experts" and "scholars" - that's code for looney leftists 😀

Non-partisan group. LOL!

Oh I missed the "press conference!"
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
"Experts" and "scholars" - that's code for looney leftists 😀

Non-partisan group. LOL!

Oh I missed the "press conference!"

It sounds like you haven't been doing your homework regarding 9/11...especially the numerous explosions at WTC.

Edit: Many fire fighters, news reporters, police crews, and regular citizens have reported numerous lower level explosions before WTC1, and WTC2 collapsed. I'm not making this up... their accounts have all been caught on camera, but the media has not shown it since 9/11. The scholars in this group are also in agreement that WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 were brought down by controlled demolition. The evidence is overwhelming, and I agree with them (I started doing my own research early January, 2006). You just might surprised as to what you haven't been shown on the news.
 
That "scholar" Fetzer, here's one of his wesbites:
http://www.assassinationscience.com/

He talks about JFK and the "Zapruder film hoax", and Paul Welstone being "assasinated", and a nice couple of links about Cindy Sheehan. He's even got a nice little "moon landings were fake" link! Non partisan "scholar" yup!

And Mr. Berg? Well the really hard core 9/11 anti-jew folks hate him! Look, they rip him apart here 😀 http://www.public-action.com/911/suit.html
Kinda funny when the loonies are at each others throats 😀
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: alchemize
"Experts" and "scholars" - that's code for looney leftists 😀

Non-partisan group. LOL!

Oh I missed the "press conference!"


It sounds like you haven't been doing your homework regarding 9/11...especially the numerous explosions at WTC.

No actually I've been through most of the looney websites and videos, seen them debunked in numerous ways. It's just more fun to make fun of you tinfoil folks now.

You realize that this forum is watched by the CIA don't you? :evil:
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: alchemize
"Experts" and "scholars" - that's code for looney leftists 😀

Non-partisan group. LOL!

Oh I missed the "press conference!"


It sounds like you haven't been doing your homework regarding 9/11...especially the numerous explosions at WTC.

No actually I've been through most of the looney websites and videos, seen them debunked in numerous ways. It's just more fun to make fun of you tinfoil folks now.

You realize that this forum is watched by the CIA don't you? :evil:

You can go ahead and knock certain individuals...but the truth is coming out regarding 9/11...whether you like or not 🙂. Controlled demolition at WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 will be big news in the future...the evidence is there. I would suggest you do your homework.

Oh, and hello to the CIA.

Edit: For those that haven't heard about the lower level explosions at WTC, here's a decent video to get you started:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1951610169657809939&q=11+revisited
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: alchemize
"Experts" and "scholars" - that's code for looney leftists 😀

Non-partisan group. LOL!

Oh I missed the "press conference!"


It sounds like you haven't been doing your homework regarding 9/11...especially the numerous explosions at WTC.

No actually I've been through most of the looney websites and videos, seen them debunked in numerous ways. It's just more fun to make fun of you tinfoil folks now.

You realize that this forum is watched by the CIA don't you? :evil:

You can go ahead and knock certain individuals...but the truth is coming out regarding 9/11...whether you like or not 🙂. Controlled demolition at WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 will be big news in the future...the evidence is there. I would suggest you do your homework.

Oh, and hello to the CIA.

Well, it doesn't really matter. Because its too late. We control the voting machines, and we control all business, and the military, we control the courts and the media and the internets. As soon as we tire of seeing your websites and postings, we'll come for you too! Just a <snap> of our neocon fingers and you'll vanish!
 
"And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,'" Mineta continued, "the young man also said to the Vice President, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?'" One way to construe these remarks could be that the orders were to shoot down the plane.

The scholars suggest that that is an implausible interpretation. The Pentagon, they observe, may be the most heavily defended building in the world. If the orders had been to "shoot it down," then no doubt it would have been shot down. Moreover, there would have been no apparent reason for the young man to have expressed concern over whether or not "the orders still stand." Shooting it down, under the circumstances, would have been the thing to do.
Uh, the passengers? Most young American men don't like the idea of killing a plane-full of innocent American civillians. Cheney is of course a robot so he has no feelings.

"The only reasonable interpretation of the orders," Fetzer observed, "is that the incoming aircraft should not be shot down, which would have been an obvious source of anxiety for an aide. Since it contradicts the official story about the Pentagon," he added, "it had to be suppressed and was not even included in The 9/11 Commission Report."
Sure, if cold-bloodedly killing men, women and children is part of a normal day's work then yes it's the "only" reasonable explanation.

:music: The lunatic is on the grass.
The lunatic is on the grass.
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs.
Got to keep the loonies on the path. :music:
 
"and that even the Saudi Arabian Embassy has long confirmed that several of the accused "hijackers" did not die on 9/11.

"It does not take rocket science to infer that, if these guys were killed in the crash of these aircraft, then they cannot be alive and well and living in Saudi Arabia," he remarked, "yet the FBI has not bothered to revise its list of suspects." Other studies available on the society's web site at www.st911.org indicate that the passenger manifests for the four flights did not include the names of the hijackers nor were autopsies conducted on them. "


What about this part? Is this true or has this been debunked? I did see it on the news at one point and read it in the paper and web news.
 
actually I think the mod`s would do well to ban for say a month anybody who posts any 9/11 conspiracy theories...

This idiotic dribble is getting out of hand!!

Ther is NO smoking Gun!!
 
Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing
but imagine if 9/11 was staged, what would be the public reaction? could they even fathom the depth to which they had tricked?

There's a lot of information the government and media haven't shown us... for example, the extra explosions / detonations that occurred at WTC1, and WTC2, and WTC7 (WTC7 has been ommitted from the 9/11 Commission Report ...if you watch footage of its collapse, it looks exactly like a controlled demolition).

A short 6 minute video of witnesses reporting explosions:

http://www.mypetgoat.tv/video/Bomb_Montage.WMV


A few other short video clips:
http://media.putfile.com/911-WTC-Reporter-Secondary-Explosions-CNN-News

http://media.putfile.com/911-WTC-Police-Found-Explosives-Rick-Sanchez
 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
actually I think the mod`s would do well to ban for say a month anybody who posts any 9/11 conspiracy theories...

This idiotic dribble is getting out of hand!!

Ther is NO smoking Gun!!

Why would you want to stifle debate?
 
Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
actually I think the mod`s would do well to ban for say a month anybody who posts any 9/11 conspiracy theories...

This idiotic dribble is getting out of hand!!

Ther is NO smoking Gun!!

Why would you want to stifle debate?

Isn't it obvious? Anyone opposed to the administration is an anti-American terrorist sympathizer.
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: alchemize
"Experts" and "scholars" - that's code for looney leftists 😀

Non-partisan group. LOL!

Oh I missed the "press conference!"

It sounds like you haven't been doing your homework regarding 9/11...especially the numerous explosions at WTC.

Edit: Many fire fighters, news reporters, police crews, and regular citizens have reported numerous lower level explosions before WTC1, and WTC2 collapsed. I'm not making this up... their accounts have all been caught on camera, but the media has not shown it since 9/11. The scholars in this group are also in agreement that WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 were brought down by controlled demolition. The evidence is overwhelming, and I agree with them (I started doing my own research early January, 2006). You just might surprised as to what you haven't been shown on the news.

Engineers will tell you it is just about impossible to naturally occur on how the three WTC buildings came straight down/impolded into themselves.

In a random attack on the structure as these were the buildings should've fell over not come straight down.

Where were the pieces of the plane at the Pentagon???
 
It was Dick Cheneys job to notify all the Jewish workers in the World Trade Center to not show up for work that day.
 
This thread has turned into another 9/11 conspiracy junket.

Moved from P&N to OT. (Kiddie Sandbox)

Mod


Given the general level of discourse over in P&N I find this more than a little ironic.
 
LMAO...I love these conspiracy threads.

What happened to all the people that were on these planes? Are they all in witness relocation programs? Did they never exist?
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
LMAO...I love these conspiracy threads.

What happened to all the people that were on these planes? Are they all in witness relocation programs? Did they never exist?
Shhh - only the conspiracy theorists can ask questions. They are pursuing the truth.

Out of about 50 threads on this, no tinfoily has ever even attempted to answer that most basic question 😀
 
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