Schiff Issues Subpoena for Whistleblower Complaint Being Unlawfully Withheld

[woolfe9998]

As I said above, I don't believe it's anything more than him trying to cover his bases after he realized how the conversation read. I'm simply describing how it will be used, verbatim, by the POTUS and his ilk, and bought by a large party of the population

Yes it will be quoted over and over again, out of context of course. But the evidence that Trump was linking the two is mounting. Just yesterday GOP Senator Ron Johnson told the WSJ that the same Gordon Sondland told him that Trump was linking the two. After which he went to Trump directly, and Trump denied it to him. But when he asked if they could tell the Ukrainians that the aid was on its way, he wouldn't allow it. That comes from a GOP Senator. And it makes what Sondland said in that tweet a lie.

Also, let's not lose sight of the phone call. Hey, when are we getting those missiles? Well, I need a favor though...

 

[TheVrolok]

Except Rep. Sen Ron Johnson revealed that Sondland told him that Trump was withholding the aid to ensure the investigation. So, that text reads like an attempt at a false defense.

Sure does. Didn't have that information earlier.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

NYT says there is a potential 2nd whistleblower on Ukraine.

I need a drink.

Seems to be an IRS whistle blower regarding either:

Mike Pence tax filing
Donald Trumps tax filing

Apparently the IRS has special people to handle the Presidents and VPs taxes.
Obviously it’s a problem with Pence taxes.

Not much has been confirmed at the moment so don’t get your hopes up.

 

[alien42]

Seems to be an IRS whistle blower regarding either:

Mike Pence tax filing
Donald Trumps tax filing

Apparently the IRS has special people to handle the Presidents and VPs taxes.
Obviously it’s a problem with Pence taxes.

Not much has been confirmed at the moment so don’t get your hopes up.

no, it is being reported there is a second whistle blower regarding the Ukraine issue who was actually closer than the first whistle blower.

2nd Official Is Weighing Whether to Blow the Whistle on Trump’s Ukraine Dealings (Published 2019)

The official, a member of the intelligence community, was interviewed by the inspector general to corroborate the original whistle-blower’s account.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Jhhnn]

This is nuts. Fox news is still talking about the whistleblower and Schiff. As if by discrediting the whistleblower all the texts and info that has come out the last few days disappears.

They're having trouble keeping up. That's a good thing. It's rare when the truth gets ahead of the GOP propaganda machine. Nobody is letting off, either.

 

[woolfe9998]

no, it is being reported there is a second whistle blower regarding the Ukraine issue who was actually closer than the first whistle blower.

2nd Official Is Weighing Whether to Blow the Whistle on Trump’s Ukraine Dealings (Published 2019)

The official, a member of the intelligence community, was interviewed by the inspector general to corroborate the original whistle-blower’s account.

www.nytimes.com

Point of clarification. There is a second person who is considering filing a whistle blower complaint, so he wouldn't be a second whistle blower just yet. This individual is apparently one of the people interviewed by the IG when they investigated the original whistle blower complaint.

I really do hope whoever it is decides to come forward.

 

[Zorba]

This is nuts. Fox news is still talking about the whistleblower and Schiff. As if by discrediting the whistleblower all the texts and info that has come out the last few days disappears.

DH1 argument. Too immature for ATPN, but fine for the President of the US.

 

[Zorba]

Yes it will be quoted over and over again, out of context of course. But the evidence that Trump was linking the two is mounting. Just yesterday GOP Senator Ron Johnson told the WSJ that the same Gordon Sondland told him that Trump was linking the two. After which he went to Trump directly, and Trump denied it to him. But when he asked if they could tell the Ukrainians that the aid was on its way, he wouldn't allow it. That comes from a GOP Senator. And it makes what Sondland said in that tweet a lie.

Also, let's not lose sight of the phone call. Hey, when are we getting those missiles? Well, I need a favor though...

So do you have an idea what law this actually broke? This definitely seems like it should be very illegal, but I don't know what specific law other than campaign finance this breaks.

 

[Jhhnn]

So do you have an idea what law this actually broke? This definitely seems like it should be very illegal, but I don't know what specific law other than campaign finance this breaks.

It's outright extortion of the Ukraine couched in the Mob Boss language of "Do me a favor" & support my bullshit conspiracy theory.

 

[woolfe9998]

So do you have an idea what law this actually broke? This definitely seems like it should be very illegal, but I don't know what specific law other than campaign finance this breaks.

If there's a mutual agreement to sell policy for favors, it is no different in essence to a case where a politician takes a large campaign donation from say a special interest group then once in office conforms his policy to the group's desire. The only wrinkle of difference is that in this case it's a foreign actor.

So it's standard political corruption, which is deemed a fraud on the public. Sometimes called "honest services fraud" because the public is deprived of the honest services of the person they elected. Other statutes may also apply.

Honest services fraud - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It isn't "extortion" as claimed by a few dems. Extortion requires a physical threat to a specific person.

Anyway, when you think about it, "fraud" fits here. It's really been the essence of Trump all along. It's what he fundamentally is.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I had to get in on this thread and since the topic is subpoenas I had to drop this gem.

 

[Paratus]

For when our more conservative members return to this thread this quote should come in handy.

https://imgur.com/epSLgG4

 

[Zorba]

It's outright extortion of the Ukraine couched in the Mob Boss language of "Do me a favor" & support my bullshit conspiracy theory.

I was looking for @woolfe9998 legal opinion as opposed to my lay person opinion. I'm glad there appears real laws, so he can't pull the same BS about collusion not being a crime.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Graham is a huge flip flopper who changes positions like the wind blows. When it came to prosecuting Clinton he was like a honey badger.

Lindsey Graham's opinion on impeachment was different during Clinton era - CNN Video

CNN's Erin Burnett and David Gregory examine how Sen. Lindsey Graham's opinion on impeachment appears to have changed since 1999.

www.cnn.com

 

[Fanatical Meat]

no, it is being reported there is a second whistle blower regarding the Ukraine issue who was actually closer than the first whistle blower.

2nd Official Is Weighing Whether to Blow the Whistle on Trump’s Ukraine Dealings (Published 2019)

The official, a member of the intelligence community, was interviewed by the inspector general to corroborate the original whistle-blower’s account.

www.nytimes.com

Are we talking about the same thing?

Weiterleitungshinweis

www.google.com

 

[cytg111]

This is nuts. Fox news is still talking about the whistleblower and Schiff. As if by discrediting the whistleblower all the texts and info that has come out the last few days disappears.

Its the angle, retarded as it may be, that wins hearts and minds in the conservative base. Its full onslaught dirty jew democrats.

 

[cytg111]

nm

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Regarding the last 20-odd posts, another thing to remember is that an exchange of $thing for assistance with the 2020 election is not necessary for it to be illegal. It's illegal just asking. Not asking for an exchange, not asking and getting accepted. Just asking. Illegal. He's asked twice.

 

[interchange]

Regarding the last 20-odd posts, another thing to remember is that an exchange of $thing for assistance with the 2020 election is not necessary for it to be illegal. It's illegal just asking. Not asking for an exchange, not asking and getting accepted. Just asking. Illegal. He's asked twice.

Looks like he did a whole lot more than that.

 

[hal2kilo]

If there's a mutual agreement to sell policy for favors, it is no different in essence to a case where a politician takes a large campaign donation from say a special interest group then once in office conforms his policy to the group's desire. The only wrinkle of difference is that in this case it's a foreign actor.

So it's standard political corruption, which is deemed a fraud on the public. Sometimes called "honest services fraud" because the public is deprived of the honest services of the person they elected. Other statutes may also apply.

Honest services fraud - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It isn't "extortion" as claimed by a few dems. Extortion requires a physical threat to a specific person.

Anyway, when you think about it, "fraud" fits here. It's really been the essence of Trump all along. It's what he fundamentally is.

It isn't "extortion" as claimed by a few dems. Extortion requires a physical threat to a specific person.

Anyway, when you think about it, "fraud" fits here. It's really been the essence of Trump all along. It's what he fundamentally is.

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Still learning new things @65.

Hate shortened hidden text "feature" by the way.

 

[zzyzxroad]

I'm sure trump's base will never get tired of this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1180564696979648513

 

[cytg111]

#IMPEACHMITTROMNEY

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha

https://twitter.com/x/status/1180559858699030529

 

[zzyzxroad]

#IMPEACHMITTROMNEY

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha

https://twitter.com/x/status/1180559858699030529

Romney is getting impeached right after Hillary.

 

[esquared]

I was waiting for the putrid orange pus bag to call out Mitt.
Is this so damning for the Repubs? WTF is cheeto going to do, call out
every Repub senator/congressman/woman that calls him a gnarly POS?

Come on Repubs, show some spine. Tell the world what this faker really is.
You will feel better about yourself.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm sure trump's base will never get tired of this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1180564696979648513

Yup because she is not President. Pretty simple stuff.