Schiff Issues Subpoena for Whistleblower Complaint Being Unlawfully Withheld

[akenbennu]

My guess, Dan Coats. He maintained his integrity and would have had access to that information before Trump fired him

I am inclined to agree here.

 

[glenn1]

If someone breaks into your friends' house late at night and steals their TV and they say to you 'I've been robbed!' do you correct them and say 'no, you've been burglarized'?

Treason has a definition. If you want to intentionally misuse the word that's on you.

 

[fskimospy]

Treason has a definition. If you want to intentionally misuse the word that's on you.

Treason has many definitions including legal ones and colloquial ones. Both are entirely proper to use.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

it was just announced that Trump will release the transcript of the call with the Ukrainian President tomorrow.

I'm sure it will be unredacted, lol.

Trump admitted to his actions and nothing can take that back now.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Treason has a definition. If you want to intentionally misuse the word that's on you.

Awwww, how cute, glenn1 pretends he cares about political correctness here...

 

[VRAMdemon]

it was just announced that Trump will release the transcript of the call with the Ukrainian President tomorrow.

Since the whisteblower report was about a series of things, trying to weasel out of one of them while keeping the report hidden is not acceptable. What Congress has asked for is the whistleblower's complaint - of which this one transcript is only one small part. It's a crumb while they try to hide the loaf of bread.

I wonder who the whistleblower is. I do find the departures of Dan Coats and Sue Gordon more interesting under the circumstances. Those occurred right in the thick of the timeline of this illegal conduct.

Doesn't a transcript pretty much confirm the existence of a recording?. Which will then have to be matched to the transcript.

Edit - Schiff has it covered.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Jake Sherman, Politico:

"McConnell has hotlined the resolution calling for the release of the whistleblower report. Schumer asking for unanimous consent for its passsage."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1176581805283184640

"Hotlining" is bypassing usual Senate rules.

A strategic procedure carried out by Leadership and their Cloakrooms. There are a few situations in which Senate Leadership might hotline a bill-- the most common is that they want to move it quickly. In that case a member of Leadership asks their Cloakroom to leave an outgoing message for the Senate that the measure will be called up to pass without a vote (by Unanimous Consent). If a single Senator objects to the bill they can phone the Cloakroom clerk, register their objection, and the bill is stopped. Sometimes the Majority leader doesn't really expect a bill to pass by Unanimous Consent but will hotline it anyway-- like a trial balloon to measure a bill's support.

http://www.howdemocracyworksnow.com/glossary/hotline

1. So... Mitch is moving soon as to make sure the Repubs don't break on this and he can get this voted down, or...
2. Mitch is beginning the dance of separation

 

[VRAMdemon]

A long piece by Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) on JustSecurity laying out a detailed timeline of the Ukraine story.

 

[jman19]

Just to remind you, it was a progressive who brought up the subject of "2A remedies" that I was responding to. You've somehow managed to turn that into a screed about right-wing folks instead when the post was about progressives taking up arms.

Yeah let’s ignore the POTUS referencing “second amendment people” to stop Hillary. You’re a gaslighted fool.

 

[woolfe9998]

I am inclined to agree here.

Why would Dan Coates file a whistleblower complaint after he was fired? I don't think he could even do it, but even if he could, there would be no point as the entire purpose of the whistleblower law is to prevent whistleblowers from being fired and he was already fired.

 

[Vic]

Jake Sherman, Politico:

"McConnell has hotlined the resolution calling for the release of the whistleblower report. Schumer asking for unanimous consent for its passsage."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1176581805283184640

"Hotlining" is bypassing usual Senate rules.



http://www.howdemocracyworksnow.com/glossary/hotline

1. So... Mitch is moving soon as to make sure the Repubs don't break on this and he can get this voted down, or...
2. Mitch is beginning the dance of separation

For sure, it's option 1.

 

[woolfe9998]

It isn't enough to release the call transcript. We need to see the whisteblower complaint. Media reports have said that the staffer's knowledge of the call was second hand, but there are other things the staffer was aware of which, taken in conjunction with the call, are the thrust of the complaint. By releasing the transcript only, Trump is picking and choosing which information to release for his benefit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/24/why-trump-releasing-transcript-his-call-with-ukraines-president-isnt-enough/

 

[Vic]

Treason has a definition. If you want to intentionally misuse the word that's on you.

You do understand that you're saying this in defense of a President who has publicly accused others of treason simply for disagreeing with him, yes?

 

[pcgeek11]

people is the plural form.

how the hell did it become an "individual" right. Only "people" can keep guns, not "person." This obviously refers back to the subject: militia.

Oh, words mean different things to you? Or do you agree that this only very contemporary interpretation of the 2nd amendment is taking some obvious liberties with language?

Honestly, it couldn't be any clearer, but you've taken the side of a powerful lobbying group instead of the United States of America.

Really? That is what you have People, Person...

 

[JSt0rm]

Really? That is what you have People, Person...

stfu chud

 

[Moonbeam]

treason
noun

trea·son | \ ˈtrē-zᵊn

\

Definition of treason



1 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family



2 : the betrayal of a trust : treachery

In other words, "Trump".

 

[cytg111]

Jake Sherman, Politico:

"McConnell has hotlined the resolution calling for the release of the whistleblower report. Schumer asking for unanimous consent for its passsage."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1176581805283184640

"Hotlining" is bypassing usual Senate rules.



http://www.howdemocracyworksnow.com/glossary/hotline

1. So... Mitch is moving soon as to make sure the Repubs don't break on this and he can get this voted down, or...
2. Mitch is beginning the dance of separation

It sounds like... It sounds like... MoscowM is putting in some distance. This is it? The moment we all been waiting for?

 

[glenn1]

You do understand that you're saying this in defense of a President who has publicly accused others of treason simply for disagreeing with him, yes?

I’m saying this for the defense of accurate use of the English language. That Trump himself misuses the word isn’t reason for others to do the same. I give zero shits about what happens to Trump and if he was impeached tomorrow I’d be delighted. There are enough impeachable things Trump has done that you don’t need to muddy the waters by inaccurately accusing him of one of the few laws and norms he actually hasn’t broken.

 

[fskimospy]

I’m saying this for the defense of accurate use of the English language. That Trump himself misuses the word isn’t reason for others to do the same. I give zero shits about what happens to Trump and if he was impeached tomorrow I’d be delighted. There are enough impeachable things Trump has done that you don’t need to muddy the waters by inaccurately accusing him of one of the few laws and norms he actually hasn’t broken.

Has Trump ‘betrayed a trust’? In this case, a trust specifically related to putting someone else’s (his) interests before the country he swore an oath to? If so then he has met the dictionary definition of treason and the English language is safe for another day.

It is also correct to say that he does not appear to have met the necessary elements of 18 U.S. Code § 2381 - treason.

Those are two entirely different things and we should stop pretending only one counts.

 

[glenn1]

Has Trump ‘betrayed a trust’? In this case, a trust specifically related to putting someone else’s (his) interests before the country he swore an oath to? If so then he has met the dictionary definition of treason and the English language is safe for another day.

It is also correct to say that he does not appear to have met the necessary elements of 18 U.S. Code § 2381 - treason.

Those are two entirely different things and we should stop pretending only one counts.

Are you going to sue Trump in the Webster-Merriam court of law? Or are you trying to reprise the scene from Judd Nelson in the movie "From the Hip" where as a lawyer he asks the judge to have a special motion on the admissibility of the word "asshole"?

I'll tell you what, since Bill Clinton "betrayed a trust" with his affair and lying under oath, if you try him for treason and subsequently execute him then I'll happily allow you to prosecute Trump under the same standard.

 

[akenbennu]

Why would Dan Coates file a whistleblower complaint after he was fired? I don't think he could even do it, but even if he could, there would be no point as the entire purpose of the whistleblower law is to prevent whistleblowers from being fired and he was already fired.

Was it afterwards? I thought the call and complaint took place before he was let go, but maybe I have my timeline mixed up.

 

[ewdotson]

No one here is suggesting that Trump met the legal definition of treason and will or should face the legal penalties for treason. They're just saying that outside of a court of law, there's nothing particularly notable about someone using the term in a non-technical sense.

 

[dank69]

Are you going to sue Trump in the Webster-Merriam court of law? Or are you trying to reprise the scene from Judd Nelson in the movie "From the Hip" where as a lawyer he asks the judge to have a special motion on the admissibility of the word "asshole"?

I'll tell you what, since Bill Clinton "betrayed a trust" with his affair and lying under oath, if you try him for treason and subsequently execute him then I'll happily allow you to prosecute Trump under the same standard.

Maybe you should read past the first sentence of a post before you reply to it. Regardless, I'd love to know whose trust was betrayed when he had an affair?

 

[glenn1]

Maybe you should read past the first sentence of a post before you reply to it. Regardless, I'd love to know whose trust was betrayed when he had an affair?

Evidently not Hillary's trust since she knew full well who Bill was and if she still trusted him she was too naive to have ever been SoS. If not when she married him, certainly after when he cheated on her repeatedly yet she stayed with him for her own chance at reaching the Oval Office.

Just like Trump can't have betrayed any American's trust since we never had it for him to begin with, except for his followers who probably cheer on what he did with Ukraine.

 

[interchange]

It's amazing how much power these diversion conversations hold. Makes me wonder how intentional they are. Controlling someone's attention is the most powerful form of manipulation. From a certain perspective, it's really the only form.