Schiff Issues Subpoena for Whistleblower Complaint Being Unlawfully Withheld

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Maguire tried to pocket the whistle blower complaint. That makes him complicit. Only Atkinson going around him to Congress prevented it from happening.

Maybe. I just don't see any evidence that he operated on any motivations to be part of the conspiracy.

I disagree. He was new to his position and was seeking guidance. His decisions were honest in their intent but wrong none the less.

That is all I'm coming up with, but I also think that, damn, he really couldn't see the forest for the trees and that's really troubling.

 

[UNCjigga]

As someone else said, I really don’t think the President wants to be President anymore. His life sucks now and it was super good before becoming President.
Tons of money to roll around in, executive time that wasn’t tracked, banging porn stars.
Part of me wonders if he is subconsciously sabotaging himself.

I know I went all moonbeam on this

In which case, Speaker Pelosi's response to Trump asking "can we work something out about the whistleblower?" should have been "Yes. Resign."

 

[Fanatical Meat]

In which case, Speaker Pelosi's response to Trump asking "can we work something out about the whistleblower?" should have been "Yes. Resign."

It may have been...

 

[dank69]

As someone else said, I really don’t think the President wants to be President anymore. His life sucks now and it was super good before becoming President.
Tons of money to roll around in, executive time that wasn’t tracked, banging porn stars.
Part of me wonders if he is subconsciously sabotaging himself.

I know I went all moonbeam on this

No, he is just an idiot. If he really wanted out he could have resigned any time he wanted saying he doesn't want to deal with the bullshit witch hunt attacks or whatever.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm kind of torn on

Yes, the article refreshed my memory. I was thinking it was limited to lots of redactions, but I forgot that they thought it would be bad to hear Nixon curse, so most of that was edited.

"expletive deleted" became a very popular expression in the culture of the time, no? That was basically all over the endless media reporting, adopted as the official way to report the content of the tapes, verbatim for the public.

 

[Homerboy]

As someone else said, I really don’t think the President wants to be President anymore. His life sucks now and it was super good before becoming President.
Tons of money to roll around in, executive time that wasn’t tracked, banging porn stars.
Part of me wonders if he is subconsciously sabotaging himself.

I know I went all moonbeam on this

That seems to make sense on the surface, but whenever/however he leaves office, he has the DA of NY to deal with. He could be facing legit jail time. His life doesn't get much easier after office.

 

[ivwshane]

Maybe. I just don't see any evidence that he operated on any motivations to be part of the conspiracy.



That is all I'm coming up with, but I also think that, damn, he really couldn't see the forest for the trees and that's really troubling.

That seems to be the theme with types like him.

 

[ivwshane]

No, he is just an idiot. If he really wanted out he could have resigned any time he wanted saying he doesn't want to deal with the bullshit witch hunt attacks or whatever.

When your ego is as big as trump's, resigning isn't an option.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

I was someone who was against moving forward with impeachment since the Senate would never vote to remove. But holy shit, all my reservations are long gone after this.

The scary thing is that the Senate probably still won''t vote to remove him even if he confesses to quid pro quo on live TV. Nixon might not've resigned if he had a Fox News-fed base to fall back on.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I was someone who was against moving forward with impeachment since the Senate would never vote to remove. But holy shit, all my reservations are long gone after this.

The scary thing is that the Senate probably still won''t vote to remove him even if he confesses to quid pro quo on live TV. Nixon might not've resigned if he had a Fox News-fed base to fall back on.

I’m starting to wonder if there will be some sort of off the books compromise made. Like Senators from the Intelligence Committee will sit in on all the Presidents international calls.

 

[zinfamous]

I was someone who was against moving forward with impeachment since the Senate would never vote to remove. But holy shit, all my reservations are long gone after this.

The scary thing is that the Senate probably still won''t vote to remove him even if he confesses to quid pro quo on live TV. Nixon might not've resigned if he had a Fox News-fed base to fall back on.

Don't forget that Roger Ailes, a Nixon protege/speechwriter/gladhand founded Fox News explicitly because he understood that had Fox News existed then, Nixon never would have had to resign.

Fox News was literally founded on the basis that the GOP needed a direct information stream for a trapped base of voters to act as a shield to protect persistent GOP malfeasance.

But you don't have to trust me on that, you can just read it from the mouth of Ailes himself.

 

[vi edit]

I was someone who was against moving forward with impeachment since the Senate would never vote to remove. But holy shit, all my reservations are long gone after this.

The scary thing is that the Senate probably still won''t vote to remove him even if he confesses to quid pro quo on live TV. Nixon might not've resigned if he had a Fox News-fed base to fall back on.

Honestly, same for me. I saw impeachment as a fruitless circus due to the strong hold on the Senate. But this is something easy to digest, easy to explain, and most importantly is *DIRECTLY* related to Trump. This is something that is a real and tangible corruption of office that Joe Public can understand. This changed the calculus.

Now it's a roll call on party or country. And take who votes which way to task in 2020.

 

[SMOGZINN]

As someone else said, I really don’t think the President wants to be President anymore. His life sucks now and it was super good before becoming President.
Tons of money to roll around in, executive time that wasn’t tracked, banging porn stars.
Part of me wonders if he is subconsciously sabotaging himself.

I know I went all moonbeam on this

I don't believe that for a moment. Trump really is this stupid, everyone that knows him has been saying it for years. Trump really believes he is above the law. He has never been held accountable for anything in his life. What really happened is he finally got all the adults out of the room and had no one to stop him from doing criminal stuff in front of people that would report it.

 

[zinfamous]

I don't believe that for a moment. Trump really is this stupid, everyone that knows him has been saying it for years. What really happened is he finally got all the adults out of the room and had no one to stop him from doing criminal stuff in front of people that would report it.

Can Congress call in the various "Trump is a fucking moron" people from his (former) administration and compel them to testify irgt all the various, upcoming articles of impeachment?

 

[SMOGZINN]

Can Congress call in the various "Trump is a fucking moron" people from his (former) administration and compel them to testify irgt all the various, upcoming articles of impeachment?

In a full impeachment investigation they can subpoena anyone they want. There is basically no limit on Congresses power to investigate possible impeachment offences.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Honestly, same for me. I saw impeachment as a fruitless circus due to the strong hold on the Senate. But this is something easy to digest, easy to explain, and most importantly is *DIRECTLY* related to Trump. This is something that is a real and tangible corruption of office that Joe Public can understand. This changed the calculus.

Now it's a roll call on party or country. And take who votes which way to task in 2020.

This is apparently so bad that the equation has changed it seems. Instead of "What happens to Dems if they impeach" to "What happens to the Republicans don't do their duty".

 

[Bitek]

Wow, Trump's current ramblings at this moment I think can be an impeachable offense. He's threating the whistle blower and persons that talked to the whistle blower.
“I want to know who’s the person who gave the whistle-blower the information because that’s close to a spy,” Mr. Trump said. “You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart with spies and treason, right? We used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”
Death threats now.

I don't think Trump was using the definition of treason correctly in his death threats.

Can someone, a concerned grammatacist preferably, please forward their M-W definition of "treason" to the WH so his attacks on the Constitution and our system of law and order can be done in a grammatically correct manner?
A spell checker would also be helpful.

This will be in the history books, and we don't want to appear to our grandchildren as uncivilized ignoramuses.

 

[PJFrylar]

Honestly, same for me. I saw impeachment as a fruitless circus due to the strong hold on the Senate. But this is something easy to digest, easy to explain, and most importantly is *DIRECTLY* related to Trump. This is something that is a real and tangible corruption of office that Joe Public can understand. This changed the calculus.

Now it's a roll call on party or country. And take who votes which way to task in 2020.

I don't know...
The way that some of the people like brandon and slow, the least intelligent NPC in P&N, post gives me reservations about that. There isn't anything about Trump they don't blindly worship.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This is apparently so bad that the equation has changed it seems. Instead of "What happens to Dems if they impeach" to "What happens to the Republicans don't do their duty".

You are sort of right. Most of the hard core MAGA people I know are staying silent on Facebook.
One is out there with some half hearted attempt but he is not too smart but a sweet guy. He more or less was like “why wouldn’t any politician do this?”

 

[HomerJS]

We have 1/2 dozen here who still say Trump did nothing wrong and call it a "nothingburger"

TDS run amuck

 

[VRAMdemon]

He keeps it up, he may become the next investigation.

New whackadoodle theory: Giuliani is the whistle blower!

I think years of being Trump's lapdog have not done him any favors. He's gone from Grade A asshole to full blown nutcase.

 

[ivwshane]

You are sort of right. Most of the hard core MAGA people I know are staying silent on Facebook.
One is out there with some half hearted attempt but he is not too smart but a sweet guy. He more or less was like “why wouldn’t any politician do this?”

Did you respond to his post with, "because its illegal"?

 

[Bitek]

I 100% agree as I mean US v. Nixon says it doesn't cover criminal activity yet here were are, with it covering criminal activity. Courts and rules don't work when the branch that enforces them decides it no longer cares.

I think what we really need is some sort of amendment giving Congress enhanced law enforcement powers when it comes to the executive like some explicit carve out of inherent contempt powers and an enforcement mechanism like their own police force, etc. that can be used to arrest executive branch officials.

What we have now is clearly broken, but I would also worry about giving the Benghazi committee it's own police force.

Root cause is one party is hopelessly corrupt and shamelessly partisan.

What can you do to counter that?

DOJ reform is clearly needed, but I'm not so sure a whole Constitutional Congress isn't needed to fix the systemic flaws in our current system.

From gerrymandering, the electoral college, power of minority rule in Senate (by States vs population), brazen voter suppression &/or disengagement, life terms for scotus, and very importantly, the unchecked influence of money in politics... To name a few.

Of course the problem is so big is unlikely to be solved... But I think Trump had exposed fundamental weaknesses of our system that his successors will be able to exploit even more successfully.

Sad times for our nation.

 

[ewdotson]

Oh. Goodie. I see my "Representative" is taking the high road here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1177211583359062017

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Did you respond to his post with, "because its illegal"?

No like Brandon I informed him Bidens Son was never the subject of the investigation it was the company he worked for.
Endless rabbit hole to run down trying to explain why a law exists and why even if the Ukraine gave info about all the horrible stuff Bidens son supposedly did it can’t be trusted as accurate. Probably would take years to explain that.