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JEDI said:
for cases scalia heard, could he already voted on them?
or since he died b4 the results were released, his vote is null and void. (god, I hope this is the case!)
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Dead men have no say in SCOTUS rulings. They have to be alive when the ruling is issued, as it should be.
 
eskimospy said:
He won't nominate as liberal a justice as he did before, because that will be tactically stupid. He will nominate a center-left person. He can't get a true liberal appointed now but he can replace an ultra-ultra right wing justice with a centrist one. That's still a win.
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Right, so what I said - except you want someone who's center left instead of centrist.
 
JEDI said:
for cases scalia heard, how many has he voted for so far?
or none? 😱
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If I understand you correctly, cases where Scalia was involved with hearing the case at oral arguments but a ruling has not yet been issued mean Scalia's vote won't end up counting. (Basically among other things behind the way this works is at least theoretically Scalia could have changed his mind in the time before the opinion was issued especially as he saw how the opinion ended up being written.)

In particular based on oral arguments this is virtually certain to impact Friedrichs v California Teachers Association which appeared to be going to end up 5 to 4 against the teacher's union, but now should end up tied 4 to 4 which means the lower court ruling in favor of union and basically the status quo stands. (The court case is basically related to the ability of Public Employee Unions to collect union dues.)

While Kennedy's vote in particular is less certain on this case which has gone through oral arguments, Scalia's death could also impact Evenwell v. Abbott which is about whether Texas could choose or possibly be required to use registered voters compared to straightforward census population numbers for redistricting. Since the lower court ruled that census population figures should specifically be used, this case is basically at a minimum guaranteed to end up with a 4 to 4 tie now and using the census population as the required rule even if Kennedy votes to overturn the previous ruling. (Since a ruling for the plaintiffs would end up excluding legal immigrants even if they are about to get citizenship or for instance 16 or 17 year old US citizens, the potential impact on the ruling could go beyond whom you might initially think of.)
 
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CitizenKain said:
So why is it only Obama shouldn't do anything partisan and self serving, but with republicans its ok? I didn't see Bush hold back on nominating Alito and Roberts.
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Alito and Roberts were confirmed. Clearly the political situation then wasn't the same as now. If you have a time machine we can go back and debate it. They're conservative, Obama appointed two liberals. 2:2

I'm not particularly impressed with Sotomayor, but balance needs to be preserved. Bad things happen when it isn't.
 
It's kind of crazy to realize how big of an impact this one man had.

Yeehawdist lost the tarp man and now this 🙁
 
It's pretty epic bullshit that actual real people think that a four year term does not last four years. Regardless of what side of the political spectrum you are on, suggesting that four year term does not equal four year term is such beyond stupid I can't believe I even have to make this point. If your elections didn't last three years you'd save so much fighting and polarization. It's really no surprise that America is the laughingstock of the western world, especially when it comes to the concept of democracy.
 
cbrunny said:
{Rant snipped out} It's really no surprise that America is the laughingstock of the western world, especially when it comes to the concept of democracy.
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The rest of the world only matters if you feel the US has something to prove, it doesn't.
What you call the "concept of democracy" is the fundamentally flawed belief that you can increase a sum by adding zeros.
 
Greenman said:
The rest of the world only matters if you feel the US has something to prove, it doesn't.
What you call the "concept of democracy" is the fundamentally flawed belief that you can increase a sum by adding zeros.
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Lol I guess if you're happy with a shitty democracy that's your problem.
 
Knowing said:
Alito and Roberts were confirmed. Clearly the political situation then wasn't the same as now. If you have a time machine we can go back and debate it. They're conservative, Obama appointed two liberals. 2:2

I'm not particularly impressed with Sotomayor, but balance needs to be preserved. Bad things happen when it isn't.
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Apparently its only balanced if the justice is conservative though, how weird. Also what balance? The one where its mostly conservatives?

There is 0 reason beyond petty partisan bickering for rightwingers to block a nomination. Too say things like "the people should decide" is such abject bullshit considering the people already did when they elected Obama twice.
 
GOP still is and will be until it's inevitable demise, the party of Nixon. Once you go down the path of the Southern Strategy and become a party of angry old white men, how do you survive when the country's demographics shift? Gerrymandering, obstruction, voter suppression, can delay the inevitable, hence the need for a SCOTUS that thinks that we don't need the Voting Rights Act anymore. But long term it's a loser. And once it swings the other way, it's going to wipe out the Republican party for good. In California we were told how our state was fiscally doomed and ungovernable, but funny thing happened when we took away the Republican's power to obstruct by giving Democrats a super-majority. All these previously intractable problems all of the sudden started getting solved.
 
senseamp said:
GOP still is and will be until it's inevitable demise, the party of Nixon. Once you go down the path of the Southern Strategy and become a party of angry old white men, how do you survive when the country's demographics shift? Gerrymandering, obstruction, voter suppression, can delay the inevitable, hence the need for a SCOTUS that thinks that we don't need the Voting Rights Act anymore. But long term it's a loser. And once it swings the other way, it's going to wipe out the Republican party for good. In California we were told how our state was fiscally doomed and ungovernable, but funny thing happened when we took away the Republican's power to obstruct by giving Democrats a super-majority. All these previously intractable problems all of the sudden started getting solved.
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Its actually amazing how well the California dems in office have counterbalanced themselves and now we have a very well functioning gov in cali.
 
senseamp said:
That's what happens if you keep Republicans from positions of importance.
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Thats what happens with a more educated population. In south Carolina you would end up with the same level of retardation because the people are that much slower.
 
senseamp said:
In California we were told how our state was fiscally doomed and ungovernable, but funny thing happened when we took away the Republican's power to obstruct by giving Democrats a super-majority. All these previously intractable problems all of the sudden started getting solved.
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whoa.. what?

so did the dems kill that stupid law that required 60% approval for a bill to be law?
(thus the reason why CA was so F'ed up)

also, CA became fiscally sound because they raised the state income tax to 10%! 😱
it was supposed to be temporary.
was it extended? how long?
 
He should nominate Ted Cruz and just watch heads explode and anyone who asks, he can just answer: Lame duck this, bitches.
 
JEDI said:
whoa.. what?

so did the dems kill that stupid law that required 60% approval for a bill to be law?
(thus the reason why CA was so F'ed up)
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They threw Republicans out so they don't even have a minority needed to block.
also, CA became fiscally sound because they raised the state income tax to 10%! 😱
it was supposed to be temporary.
was it extended? how long?
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Who cares? Honestly, no one I know does.
 
How long do we have to wait before it's appropriate to say that Scalia's death is a wonderful thing for America? Is it 40 days?
 
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