Say goodbye to ISIS: Airstrikes begin in Syria

[Jaskalas]

Syria has no functional control over those areas and the people with control over those areas are using that control to strike at third party countries.

Both Syria and Russia gain from those strikes so unless we start holding territory there there won't be much fuss made.

Did you forget that we're arming the "good" terrorists?
They'll be knocking on Assad's door shortly - because of us.

It would be in Assad's best interests to draw Russia into this before our terrorists kill him.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Did you forget that we're arming the "good" terrorists?
They'll be knocking on Assad's door shortly - because of us.

It would be in Assad's best interests to draw Russia into this before our terrorists kill him.

Which groups are you referring to as the "good terrorists"?
Russia is already involved in this

 

[inf1nity]

Awesome news. These people should be wiped out mercilessly.


Waiting for forum's resident liberal to accuse me of advocating a genocide.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Awesome news. These people should be wiped out mercilessly.


Waiting for forum's resident liberal to accuse me of advocating a genocide.

I'd bet the forum's resident liberal doesn't confuse Muslims with ISIS

 

[boomerang]

Imagine the outrage if a Republican president was doing this...

Thanks Obomber!

 

[Jhhnn]

Imagine the outrage if a Republican president was doing this...

Thanks Obomber!

Nice hurf-burf. It's remarkable how the right wing whines about Obama even when he's doing what they want.

Personalities above principles, obviously.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

What's this...his 4th war?

 

[Jhhnn]

What's this...his 4th war?

To be fair, he inherited two- Iraq & the massive Neocon cock-up in Afghanistan, both of which dwarf current efforts in terms of expense & American lives.

Right, wrong or indifferent, no American lives were lost in the Libyan civil war & the expense was minimal in comparison. I figure this will be much the same.

 

[inachu]

So now we support Assad.


Ahhh nice!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

To be fair, he inherited two- Iraq & the massive Neocon cock-up in Afghanistan, both of which dwarf current efforts in terms of expense & American lives.

Right, wrong or indifferent, no American lives were lost in the Libyan civil war & the expense was minimal in comparison. I figure this will be much the same.

Meanwhile...Libya is in shambles. Not a fan of all these wars.

 

[Texashiker]

Awesome news. These people should be wiped out mercilessly.

Waiting for forum's resident liberal to accuse me of advocating a genocide.

Who are we to bomb people residing in a sovereign nation?

Would we tolerate Iran bombing jewish people in New York?

Maybe Israel should bomb skinhead / white supremacist rallies?

Which groups are you referring to as the "good terrorists"?
Russia is already involved in this

Good terrorist are ones who do our bidding. At one time osama bin laden was a good terrorist because he fought against the russians.

We should be able to see what happens when we arm one group or another.

Bin laden was a friend of the United States. A few years later he is on the fbis most wanted list.

 

[Scarpozzi]

I don't think that we can make ourselves any more unpopular with the locals than ISIS have made themselves.

I hope so...I really know nothing about the way people feel on the ground. I know the region is somewhat complex because of the different countries and religions.

I only have the US news/media to go on and I don't believe much of what they say.... Too much of the crap they talk about is all fear mongering for more ratings. The US media outlets love war because it generates material that gets ratings... (which they run out of frequently)

 

[Newell Steamer]

breaking news. no details yet.

Awaiting liberal outrage over Obamas illegal war for oil.

Hi!!

:awe:

Obama is an asshole and should stay the fuck out of the middle east (this has to be the 5th time I've stated this on the forums).

Sorry if I am not stating my displeasure with Obama's push, in a manner that will be get me banned, but, I would hope the above statement meets your criteria at a minimum level.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Good terrorist are ones who do our bidding. At one time osama bin laden was a good terrorist because he fought against the russians.

We should be able to see what happens when we arm one group or another.

Bin laden was a friend of the United States. A few years later he is on the fbis most wanted list.

It's definitely a complex thing. If you were to remove all the US gov CIA interventions in the world though, your glory days of Texas shipping would never of happened for instance

 

[Harabec]

A few points that come to mind:

1) Syria cannot be called a sovereign nation at this time. It is more like an exploding (literally) shithole with 45687456897 sides shooting each other.

2) I made a trip to the golan heights over a week ago when the UN folks pulled out. As I arrived I passed a convoy (coming from the border) of several SUV's, trucks and APC's escorted by 2 IDF SUV's.
Up on mount Bental (where there is an abandonded military outpost and a coffee shop) you can see most of southern Syria, there was nothing to see except smoke but much to hear - explosions going off non-stop in the distance.

3) This is futile, I don't know why anyone thinks airstrikes can kill a terrorist idea. It never worked, what's changed this time?
They hide, wait it out and go back to their business, while getting more and more supporters worldwide.

 

[brycejones]

window dressing for the low information obama supporters. The real problem is here and in progress. The obama mob love symbolism over substance.

You're always good for a hilarious troll post.

 

[trenchfoot]

do you really have a clue...

ouch!

 

[JulesMaximus]

I don't understand. Weren't you routinely mentioning how disappointed you were about Obama's inactivity towards ISIS?

That was only because he hadn't done anything about it. Now that he has done something it turns out it was the wrong thing.

 

[Texashiker]

You're always good for a hilarious troll post.

IGBT is right, all this bombing is window dressing for the blind and lazy obama followers.

Why is it window dressing? Read below.

3) This is futile, I don't know why anyone thinks airstrikes can kill a terrorist idea. It never worked, what's changed this time?
They hide, wait it out and go back to their business, while getting more and more supporters worldwide.

History proves Harabec right.

Whether it was trench warfare in world war I, bombing the crap out of Japanese controlled islands in the pacific, carpet bombing in Vietnam, the past decade in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan,,, bombing alone does not win the war.

Obama wants to arm the people fighting against Bashar al-Assad. Where is that going to take us?

Putin is going to see obamas actions as destabilizing the area. Putin will not allow the Bashar al-Assad regime to fall. The more obama arms the rebels, the more reasons Putin has to intervene.

 

[Texashiker]

That was only because he hadn't done anything about it. Now that he has done something it turns out it was the wrong thing.

Did obama ask permission from Bashar al-Assad before dropping bombs on syria?

Has obama met with Bashar al-Assad? After all, last I heard Bashar al-Assad was the president of syria.

We all know obama is not a team player. Whether it is appointing people to positions while congress was out, negotiations on the debt limit,,,, whatever the problem, obama has shown time and time again he is NOT a team player.

 

[unokitty]

A few points that come to mind:
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3) This is futile, I don't know why anyone thinks airstrikes can kill a terrorist idea. It never worked, what's changed this time?
They hide, wait it out and go back to their business, while getting more and more supporters worldwide.

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By the end of the war, 7 million tons of bombs had been dropped on Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia - more than twice the amount of bombs dropped on Europe and Asia in World War II. In addition, poisonous sprays were dropped by planes to destroy trees and any kind of growth ...

Let me see if I understand this.
One
The US spent billions of dollars arming and training the Iraqi Army. At the first opportunity, the Iraqi Army threw down their arms and ran away...

The president, and the intelligence community, were surprised.

Two
ISIS sweeps out of Syria nine months after the president called the remaining threats the terrorist JV team.

The president, and the intelligence community, were surprised.


Now, you want me to believe that the president, and the intelligence community, can identify 'moderate' Syria rebels that we should train and arm?

From this former dog soldiers perspective, it isn't going to happen.

If it were up to me, I'd close the embassy and bring all of the boys home. Now, Today!

If the Iraqis don't think that their country is worth fighting and dying for, then neither do I.

If the Syrians want to have a revolution, then they will. History shows that getting involved in other peoples revolutions isn't likely to be productive.

Let them fight it out. Then, lets try diplomacy with the winners.

Uno
Sentry Dog Handler
US Army 69-71

 

[Orignal Earl]

The US spent billions of dollars arming and training the Iraqi Army. At the first opportunity, the Iraqi Army threw down their arms and ran away...

There was no "at the first chance". The Iraqis have been fighting terrorist groups by the dozens since the beginning.
When a group was surrounded and facing certain death, yes they booked.
Do you think Americans would of sat there and fought to the last man?

 

[Texashiker]

Do you think Americans would of sat there and fought to the last man?

Yes, we would have.

Remember the Alamo?

That is the difference between us and them.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Do you think Americans would of sat there and fought to the last man?

Based on the numbers of Medal of Honor/(Branch) Service Cross/Silver Star recipients I would say there's a good possibility that there would be some that would fight to the death.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Based on the numbers of Medal of Honor/(Branch) Service Cross/Silver Star recipients I would say there's a good possibility that there would be some that would fight to the death.

Would not happen if there is a chance to retreat