Saw this question on r/atheism today.

[Nemesis 1]

Lets test judgement . A week one island has been hit with quake after quake . last night it hit 8 mag. Now normally and in this case also . People will say well the big one is done . NO way . Its incoming be here in 10 days . The mass of that thing just isn't enough to cause this(incoming Meteor) . Unless its gold or another dense material . But that 8.0 is nothing . 10 days left till impact . But a Bigger quake comes befor that . Mark it.

 

[LunarRay]

Doesn't change the fact your monkey blood was attained in a differant manner than was your ape genes we all have. Would you like me to explain how YOUR ancestor got Monkey blood , Do I really have to draw you a picture . A rightious man would never do to a monkey what your ancestors did .

I alluded to that elsewhere in response to Enoch's bit.

 

[LunarRay]

You don't get it NOAH was a mistake . A minor god disobeyed the commanders order and told Noah to build an Ark . god the commander already had the new seed on board his ship. The none monkey blood types only 2, 1 male Enoch 1 female Lilith .

A mistake... ok, got it.

I figured something funny about that Ark stuff... But, a minor god got Noah to build a boat... I never would have guessed that.

I have enough trouble with having one God let alone a bunch of them and how would I know which is who... I mean if Noah jumped and made the boat under the orders what would I do...

 

[LunarRay]

Lets test judgement . A week one island has been hit with quake after quake . last night it hit 8 mag. Now normally and in this case also . People will say well the big one is done . NO way . Its incoming be here in 10 days . The mass of that thing just isn't enough to cause this(incoming Meteor) . Unless its gold or another dense material . But that 8.0 is nothing . 10 days left till impact . But a Bigger quake comes befor that . Mark it.

Wow... let's see if I've digested that...

The asteroid or what ever is going to hit us maybe.... There will be a big quake somewhere and both are related in some manner. Somehow the density changes the mass of the asteroid and therefore, the gravity issues?

Wow... 154 tons of gold... I could handle that quake or not. Most likely >9 quake probably on the Cascadia fault and not my fault... fine by me.

There is a fellow, Susskind, up at Stanford... The one in Palo Alto, (I think he's still there) who'd love to discuss this and most anything with you... He loves them Eigenvectors and complex number stuff... He's a New Yorker too...

 

[Nemesis 1]

I won't waste your time and neither would I bring a gun or knife if I were to entertain a fight... You seem able to engage both sides and I'll await the victor.

I don't have a side . If I had to judge myself I would burn in hell. Nice God is only one worthy of judgement . I am neutral in this affair . I simply witness. I have 2 jobs to witness and die . Pretty clear cut isn't it .

 

[LunarRay]

I don't have a side . If I had to judge myself I would burn in hell. Nice God is only one worthy of judgement . I am neutral in this affair . I simply witness. I have 2 jobs to witness and die . Pretty clear cut isn't it .

A clear cut notion that God works his will as he sees fit... Feynman had Feynman diagrams painted on the side of his VW Bus... I think it was a VW... anyhow, I thought that was as he saw fit to do too... Feynman not God.

 

[Nemesis 1]

31) That is why I said to you, Be of good courage, and if you are discouraged be encouraged in the presence of the different forms of nature

I took this quote because of a thing I keep repeating to you people I will not draw you a picture this is as far as I allowed to go .

IN that day . When the world is in terror . Turn about from fleeing and face your fear. Its the only way to walk straight and narrow.

Here is another quote I will help you with as much as monkeys can preceive .

26) The Savior said There is no sin, but it is you who make sin when you do the things that are like the nature of adultery, which is called sin.

NOW what is Christ saying here . Its as clear as clear gets.

The Lord says . There is no sin least the ones you create like the nature of Adultery .

Do you understand? I thought not! In order to commit adultry one first must marry. So doing the Groom and bride makes Vows one to the other. This is a Binding contract and to break it is a man sin . It really is that simple. that why god commands us to swear to nothing. Its so amusing . One Nation under god . LOL When you go into court They ask you to testify . Whats the first thing they do make you swear upon the bible to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth . Which is absolutely impossiable . You can only tell a story from your perspective . Point is they make you swear on the very book that tells you not to swear to anthing ever. Funny the wonders and works of monkey men .

 

[Nemesis 1]

A mistake... ok, got it.

I figured something funny about that Ark stuff... But, a minor god got Noah to build a boat... I never would have guessed that.

I have enough trouble with having one God let alone a bunch of them and how would I know which is who... I mean if Noah jumped and made the boat under the orders what would I do...

Thats because your stuck in a world that has made you comfortable . Which is scary all by itself . How you can be comfortable in this world today is amazing . I don't like Catholics at all . I must admit being taught in their schools threw he 50s was a once in a life experiance I not sure I would give up . We were better educated threw 12 grade than collage grads. We were taught about semerians in first grade and that wet my appetite for more.

 

[Juddog]

Thats because your stuck in a world that has made you comfortable . Which is scary all by itself . How you can be comfortable in this world today is amazing . I don't like Catholics at all . I must admit being taught in their schools threw he 50s was a once in a life experiance I not sure I would give up . We were better educated threw 12 grade than collage grads. We were taught about semerians in first grade and that wet my appetite for more.

I can see the schools really were effective.

 

[Nemesis 1]

A clear cut notion that God works his will as he sees fit... Feynman had Feynman diagrams painted on the side of his VW Bus... I think it was a VW... anyhow, I thought that was as he saw fit to do too... Feynman not God.

Again you clearly do not understand the nature of the True GOD . God will not speak or do 1 thing to change the course he set in the beginning . How this relates to the god of moses has no influence on me . God is omni present . See if your monkey brain can wrap itself around that FACT!Everthing That GOD ordained in the beginning not one thing shall be changed till the time of the Aeon has pasted . Man was born In the waning moments of THIS AEON . Until Gods Holy day comes . The seventh day we are still in the 6th day at its twilight. ON this day God will speak the First time in 1 billion years or whats called an Aeon. If you monkeys were half as smart as you think you are you would see this as its clearly written . God Spoke not to Adam nor to anyman . Thats not saying that Adam was alone because we know he wasn't threw the semerians . But he was not with the TRUE GOD . There are 3 differant gods in the old testament . So how can that be? The True God in his wisdom encoded into our DNA the full truth . The only way to reach that truth is a search from within . Good luck with that one Monkey

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Nemesis belongs in an institution, alright, but not one of higher learning.

 

[Juddog]

Again you clearly do not understand the nature of the True GOD . God will not speak or do 1 thing to change the course he set in the beginning . How this relates to the god of moses has no influence on me . God is omni present . See if your monkey brain can wrap itself around that FACT!Everthing That GOD ordained in the beginning not one thing shall be changed till the time of the Aeon has pasted . Man was born In the waning moments of THIS AEON . Until Gods Holy day comes . The seventh day we are still in the 6th day at its twilight. ON this day God will speak the First time in 1 billion years or whats called an Aeon. If you monkeys were half as smart as you think you are you would see this as its clearly written . God Spoke not to Adam nor to anyman . Thats not saying that Adam was alone because we know he wasn't threw the semerians . But he was not with the TRUE GOD . There are 3 differant gods in the old testament . So how can that be? The True God in his wisdom encoded into our DNA the full truth . The only way to reach that truth is a search from within . Good luck with that one Monkey

How far can you throw a semerian?

 

[Thebobo]

I feel normal now thanks

 

[Atreus21]

You don't appear to understand. The proposition "someone made a cup of coffee" is a falsifiable one, because there exist conceivable realities that would render that proposition false. This is not the case when one has alleged that literally everything in the universe is "evidence" that the universe was created.

Think about it this way: if everything was the same color, then color would be meaningless. You can't tell if something is evidence if you can't say what would be evidence to the contrary.

You're right. I don't understand. What conceivable reality would render the proposition false that someone made my coffee? To my mind, only the absence of coffee, in which case you wouldn't be looking for evidence of a coffee maker in the first place.

 

[Atreus21]

1) How could this "Creator" always exist?

It defies human comprehension to understand something outside of time.

2) If it existed, couldn't what the Universe consists of also have always existed?

Perhaps, but that still points to something eternal/outside of time. And in this regard atheists are every bit as faithful as theists.

3) Assuming a Creator, how can you possibly know It exists if there is no Evidence of It's existence?

Because there is evidence. The fact that everything is caused is evidence of an original cause that was not itself caused.

4) Assuming a Creator, how can anyone claim to know It's Thoughts/Will on any matter when it is impossible for one to verify It's existence?

I don't know, frankly. That's the domain of religion, not theism. Different religions have different interpretation of God's will. But it's remarkable that the majority of them tend to agree on the basics.

 

[OCNewbie]

Because there is evidence. The fact that everything is caused is evidence of an original cause that was not itself caused.

That is evidence that we don't fully understand everything yet, and don't have all the answers (nor will we ever), nothing more.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

You're right. I don't understand. What conceivable reality would render the proposition false that someone made my coffee?

I don't think the cup of coffee is a particularly good one here.

Falsifiability is sort of like testability. The point is to distinguish between science and pseudoscience or religion by whether or not it is possible to disprove a theory. If a theory by definition cannot be disproven, it is arguably not scientific.

Saying that "creation proves that there is a creator" is basically an enclosed loop. It's defined to be true, and thus is true by definition. There's no way to test whether it is actually true or not, because the "creator" is defined as being beyond the natural, and so any attempt to contradict the claim can be hand-waved away.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Perhaps, but that still points to something eternal/outside of time. And in this regard atheists are every bit as faithful as theists.

Not so. It requires no faith to just say "we don't know yet". It's the honest answer.

Because there is evidence. The fact that everything is caused is evidence of an original cause that was not itself caused.

This statement is self-contradictory.

 

[IronWing]

It defies human comprehension to understand something outside of time.

Making an assertion with un-definable terms gets us nowhere.

Because there is evidence. The fact that everything is caused is evidence of an original cause that was not itself caused.

Wat? This assertion is a completely untestable, non-falsifiable tautology. It is impervious to reason.

 

[Atreus21]

That is evidence that we don't fully understand everything yet, and don't have all the answers (nor will we ever), nothing more.

God is definitely in the domain of things we will never understand. But I digress. To say that all this can come ultimately from nothing is a proposition I simply can't accept. It defies cause and effect to explain effect without cause.

 

[OCNewbie]

To say that all this can come ultimately from nothing is a proposition I simply can't accept.

Maybe our concept of "nothing" is flawed? If "all this" can't come from "nothing", then why can a God? Magic? I think it just shows that there are many things, especially time and space related, that we (as humans) don't fully understand at this point.

 

[Atreus21]

Not so. It requires no faith to just say "we don't know yet". It's the honest answer.

Correct. As an agnostic, that is true. An atheist says, "We know there is no god."

This statement is self-contradictory.

As I said earlier, it's one of only two possibilities. Either you have an uncaused cause at the origin of all this, or there is an infinite regress of causes. Either one is impossible to comprehend.

 

[Atreus21]

Maybe our concept of "nothing" is flawed? If "all this" can't come from "nothing", then why can a God? Magic? I think it just shows that there are many things, especially time and space related, that we (as humans) don't fully understand at this point.

I didn't necessarily say "God." I said all this can't come from nothing. Therefore something.

 

[OCNewbie]

Correct. As an agnostic, that is true. An atheist says, "We know there is no god."

I consider myself an agnostic atheist. I don't hold any beliefs in any gods, because not only is there no evidence, but I don't think there really could ever be any evidence that truly, unequivocally proved such an existence. Maybe after death that might be possible, but not while alive. I also acknowledge that in the same way I don't hold any beliefs in any gods because there is a lack of evidence, and likely can't even be proven, the same goes for a lack of any gods, so both realities are equally possible.

I will say that I definitely don't believe in any religion, or any religion's definition of what God (or any of the other synonyms) is.

 

[Atreus21]

I don't think the cup of coffee is a particularly good one here.

Falsifiability is sort of like testability. The point is to distinguish between science and pseudoscience or religion by whether or not it is possible to disprove a theory. If a theory by definition cannot be disproven, it is arguably not scientific.

Saying that "creation proves that there is a creator" is basically an enclosed loop. It's defined to be true, and thus is true by definition. There's no way to test whether it is actually true or not, because the "creator" is defined as being beyond the natural, and so any attempt to contradict the claim can be hand-waved away.

You're exactly right, and that's why trying to use science to prove or disprove something exclusively in the realm of religion and philosophy is a mistake. It's using the wrong tool for the job. That's why I'm against teaching ID in science classes.

Logic can be applied to the question, but logic is not monopolized by science.