Saw Ten: Microsoft will push WinX even harder in 2016

[Aikouka]

Windows 10 is already being presented to me as a Recommended Update. Since I was planning on turning my PC off to put it back on the furniture mover... Before you ask why I do that, it's a Corsair 900D case (about 31" tall) and it's a pain to plug things in when it's against the wall. The mover is on wheels, which makes it easy to pull out. Anyway, I decided to run Windows Update prior to my shutdown, and as per usual, I selected the recommended updates. I usually grab anything but Intel GPU drivers and Nvidia GPU drivers. I was a bit confused as to why it was telling me that it was "checking requirements" and showing me the Windows 10 logo. Turns out that it was trying to install Windows 10, and the thing is, I don't recall even seeing it in the list. However, I do see it now, and worst of all, whenever I boot my machine it automatically starts downloading it in the background.

That annoys me because I already have both Windows 10 Home and Windows 10 Pro on USB drives so I don't have to waste my metered bandwidth (thanks to Comcast) on downloading 3GB per computer. So, I don't want it downloaded, and probably more importantly, I don't want to upgrade. This is the machine that I use for recording my protected content through WMC. So, without this, how would I get to watch my Last Week with John Oliver? Well, how else other than big, bad piracy? I don't think HBO will accept "It's Microsoft's fault!" as an excuse.

 

[XavierMace]

It's not fear mongering when the threat is actually real.

What's worry some is the amount of people these days who don't even care about mass surveillance. People are actually ok with living in a world where their every move is traced and recorded and stored in a profile to be used against them in the future.

I just think it's funny that people think they are safe if they don't upgrade to 10. People are acting like Microsoft is the only company doing this.

 

[Jeff7]

My question is: why are they so intent on getting everyone to use it?
First was the automatically-installed popup ad for a free upgrade.
Automatic updates were okay, a nice way to get security updates deployed quickly. Now you're using them for advertising? I guess I should be more surprised that it's taken this long.

So what's the catch? Built-in ads? Revenue from selling user data? First stage of a move toward subscription-based software? They've got shareholders who are expecting a return on investment, not free software.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I just think it's funny that people think they are safe if they don't upgrade to 10. People are acting like Microsoft is the only company doing this.

True but most of the other stuff can be avoided or greatly reduced like using duckduckgo instead of Google, not using cloud services etc.

 

[88keys]

You know I fully understand the Windows 8 hate but people complaining about windows 10 are just being nitpicky whiny babies. And for those people I have the following bulletins...


***THE PERFECT OS EXISTS ONLY IN YOUR HEAD***

***ANY DEVICE THAT CAN SEND AND RECEIVE A SIGNAL CAN BE TRACKED AND MONITORED***

***NOTHING IS STOPPING YOUR ISP, OR THE WEBSITES YOU VISIT FROM MONITORING YOUR INTERNET HABITS AND TURNING THEM OVER TO THE GOVERNMENT***


***THE INTERNET IS JUST AS PUBLIC AS YOUR PUBLIC LIBRARY, IF YOU WANT COMPLETE ABSOLUTE PRIVACY; DISCONNECT, AND GO LIVE IN YOUR CRAPPY MAKESHIFT BUNKER.***

***IF YOU WANT COMPLETE CONTROL OF EVERYTHING ON YOUR DEVICE, RUN LINUX***

***IF YOU HAVE A LIFE, AND THAT LIFE ISN'T BEING ABOVE SECRET QUADRUPLE AGENT MAFIA FBI HITMAN, OR A PRETENTIOUS DOUCHEBAG; STOP BITCHING BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT TOO GOOD TO RUN WINDOWS***
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***END TRASMISSION***​

 

[Red Squirrel]

My question is: why are they so intent on getting everyone to use it?
First was the automatically-installed popup ad for a free upgrade.
Automatic updates were okay, a nice way to get security updates deployed quickly. Now you're using them for advertising? I guess I should be more surprised that it's taken this long.

So what's the catch? Built-in ads? Revenue from selling user data? First stage of a move toward subscription-based software? They've got shareholders who are expecting a return on investment, not free software.

Yeah I think that's the part that makes it more suspicious. They seem to be extremly desperate to get people to switch, when windows 7 is still a perfectly good OS right now.

 

[silicon]

Sadly it has increased, the keylogger in Windows 10 is a deal breaker for me. Windows 7 does not have that, Microsoft use to have limits but seen Google and Apple raping people's privacy and decided it wanted in.

Linux is the only solution now.

How did you determine there is a keylogger in windows 10?

 

[Red Squirrel]

How did you determine there is a keylogger in windows 10?

Isin't that common knowledge? I think the purpose is to debug the OS, ex you can retrace what the user did before something went wrong, but it does end up being a pretty big privacy issue.

 

[bononos]

Yeah I think that's the part that makes it more suspicious. They seem to be extremly desperate to get people to switch, when windows 7 is still a perfectly good OS right now.

Win7 update had problems since the end of 2014 on pc's at home. The update process either took very long to connect, connection timed out, took very long to update or hung while updating. Disabling the firewall didn't improve matters. Searching forums said it was some issue with interdependencies and piling on more MS updates will eventually screw up windows. I think Win8 works the same way.

Since win7/8 already has similar telemetry/spying updates from MS unless you constantly check up and constantly prune out the unwanted updates by hiding them, I figured win10 (with some anti-spy software or manual tweaks )was worth it to avoid the update hassle.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Lol, We have this same conversation every time Microsoft releases a new OS. The more things Change, the more they stay the same.

As far as why Microsoft would push Windows 10, there's one major reason, which is an attempt to undo decades of Microsoft being Microsoft.

Microsoft has been like Android for over 2 decades now, and it's created this wild wild west of not only malicious code, but also code created by lazy programmers with low standards.

This is evident for normal end users with things like HiDPI support, which has been a thorn in Microsoft's side compared to Apple's OS X. DPI-Awareness support in Windows 8.1 and later is a very important component of this. But Microsoft needs to get users on these later Operating Systems and needs to get developers' companies to pay the cash to make these apps supporting of it. That's why the Windows Store is so important as it will enforce the same not-crap standards that OS X has been able to leverage for a long time.

It's a slow process, but for us tinkerers, we have to remember that 99% of computer users are buying a computer just to use. They want it simple, quick, and "just works". The ecosystem Microsoft is building helps them get those features into Windows.

Such is the way of life. For the tinkerer, you still have Linux. Things change, and IT people who don't deal with change are useless IT people.

 

[OverVolt]

Everything MS does turns me off MS.

 

[13Gigatons]

You know I fully understand the Windows 8 hate but people complaining about windows 10 are just being nitpicky whiny babies. And for those people I have the following bulletins...


***THE PERFECT OS EXISTS ONLY IN YOUR HEAD***

***ANY DEVICE THAT CAN SEND AND RECEIVE A SIGNAL CAN BE TRACKED AND MONITORED***

***NOTHING IS STOPPING YOUR ISP, OR THE WEBSITES YOU VISIT FROM MONITORING YOUR INTERNET HABITS AND TURNING THEM OVER TO THE GOVERNMENT***


***THE INTERNET IS JUST AS PUBLIC AS YOUR PUBLIC LIBRARY, IF YOU WANT COMPLETE ABSOLUTE PRIVACY; DISCONNECT, AND GO LIVE IN YOUR CRAPPY MAKESHIFT BUNKER.***

***IF YOU WANT COMPLETE CONTROL OF EVERYTHING ON YOUR DEVICE, RUN LINUX***

***IF YOU HAVE A LIFE, AND THAT LIFE ISN'T BEING ABOVE SECRET QUADRUPLE AGENT MAFIA FBI HITMAN, OR A PRETENTIOUS DOUCHEBAG; STOP BITCHING BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT TOO GOOD TO RUN WINDOWS***
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***END TRASMISSION***​

People like you scare me the most. You will welcome the Police State with open arms.

If I was younger and more mobile I would try to find another country to live in that wasn't so Corporate and short sided.

I fear the world kids will have to live in where anything they do in their lives will never be forgotten. Video Surveillance, Voice recordings, typed words, text, emails.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Classic ATOT. If you don't agree with me and do what I do, and remotely care about personal privacy, you must be an idiot and doing something illegal.

Stay classy ATOT.

 

[OverVolt]

Just don't give Microsoft any money and enjoy the ensuing panic.

So far so good on never buying an xbone.

 

[lxskllr]

Just don't give Microsoft any money and enjoy the ensuing panic.

So far so good on never buying an xbone.

Last money I gave MS was for an oem copy of XP(~2004). The lack of perceivable panic has been disappointing.

 

[Ns1]

Win10 rocks. Zero fucks given.

 

[BudAshes]

Last money I gave MS was for an oem copy of XP(~2004). The lack of perceivable panic has been disappointing.

 

[KMFJD]

the $ sign beside the M is so edgy i cut myself twice entering this thread

 

[XavierMace]

Yeah I think that's the part that makes it more suspicious. They seem to be extremly desperate to get people to switch, when windows 7 is still a perfectly good OS right now.

I'm not sure why people don't understand this. Windows 10 is the last OS they are producing. Period. XBone is getting 10 this month, some phones already have. Getting all of their customers onto the same OS is a HUGE deal. It makes support so much easier for everyone involved. It's as close as they can get to Apple's business model without control over the hardware.

 

[Phoenix86]

the $ sign beside the M is so edgy i cut myself twice entering this thread

Might want to get a tetanus shot from all the rust on that edge.

 

[balloonshark]

Maybe it's time for a Windows 10 SE? Heck, I would even pay for the upgrade, rather than free, if they removed the spying, data-collection, and Cortana.

I might be ok with that idea. The store could also be an optional install.

 

[rockyct]

I'm not sure why people don't understand this. Windows 10 is the last OS they are producing. Period. XBone is getting 10 this month, some phones already have. Getting all of their customers onto the same OS is a HUGE deal. It makes support so much easier for everyone involved. It's as close as they can get to Apple's business model without control over the hardware.

It's remnants of the 90's and early 2000's when Microsoft was the big bad wolf. It's funny how people just don't see how Microsoft is finally adapting to how the rest of the industry treats software. This isn't some shocking new software model. WinXP cost a lot of money to support and this avoids people getting locked into a 10+ year old OS. Also, all these people complaining about Win10 privacy issues better have been the ones complaining about Google's privacy issues. Microsoft seems like the minor leagues compared to what Android has done.

 

[88keys]

People like you scare me the most. You will welcome the Police State with open arms.

If I was younger and more mobile I would try to find another country to live in that wasn't so Corporate and short sided.

I fear the world kids will have to live in where anything they do in their lives will never be forgotten. Video Surveillance, Voice recordings, typed words, text, emails.

Here are your choices

I don't welcome a police state. I just don't see the internet as something private and so I one don't think anyone should reasonably expect total privacy when using devices that are connected to it.

 

[Jeff7]

It's remnants of the 90's and early 2000's when Microsoft was the big bad wolf. It's funny how people just don't see how Microsoft is finally adapting to how the rest of the industry treats software. This isn't some shocking new software model. WinXP cost a lot of money to support and this avoids people getting locked into a 10+ year old OS. Also, all these people complaining about Win10 privacy issues better have been the ones complaining about Google's privacy issues. Microsoft seems like the minor leagues compared to what Android has done.

With the exception of industrial equipment that was unfortunate enough to be made on something other than Linux.

- One machine at work is still running Win2k. The manufacturer did finally make a WinXP version. I don't think there are going to be any additional upgrades past that.
- One other machine is running WinXP. The Win7 upgrade just came out in the past year.
- Two other machines are running WinXP, and as far as I know, there are no plans for anything beyond that.
- Two others are running Linux. They quietly laugh at the Windows machines.

 

[88keys]

With the exception of industrial equipment that was unfortunate enough to be made on something other than Linux.

- One machine at work is still running Win2k. The manufacturer did finally make a WinXP version. I don't think there are going to be any additional upgrades past that.
- One other machine is running WinXP. The Win7 upgrade just came out in the past year.
- Two other machines are running WinXP, and as far as I know, there are no plans for anything beyond that.
- Two others are running Linux. They quietly laugh at the Windows machines.

But it's still a very common thing to see old Windows OSes in use because it needs to interface with proprietary hardware. The equipment is often super expensive to replace and the latest and greatest model often has little to no actual improvement over what has been working for 10 years so companies will run the equipment indefinitely. Windows XP will probably remain in widespread use for 10 more years because of this.