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Shockwave

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Originally posted by: compfreak999
ok whats garbage about this? helping poverished people in another nation? i never said helping people in our state is wrong i just the our current objective for this project is to help people in Africa.
Food aid actually has increased starvation in some of the countries in Africa by driving down food prices and putting local farmers out of business (or into the drug business).

A lot of the aid has also be stolen by corrupt local officials.

And starvation in Zimbawe is entirely that fault of ther leaders (with the support of the people) destroying the existing agricultural industry because it was mostly managed by whites (who employed and fed tens of thousands of blacks in the process).

Mass murder, genocide, corruption, AIDs -- as societies, these people are not taking responsibility for their own lives, and a sack of grain is not going to make any real difference until they change themselves.

Now now, lets not bring the success of white managed operations into this, lest it fall into nothing more then a racist thread!
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Originally posted by: compfreak999
ok whats garbage about this? helping poverished people in another nation? i never said helping people in our state is wrong i just the our current objective for this project is to help people in Africa.
Food aid actually has increased starvation in some of the countries in Africa by driving down food prices and putting local farmers out of business (or into the drug business).

A lot of the aid has also be stolen by corrupt local officials.

And starvation in Zimbawe is entirely that fault of ther leaders (with the support of the people) destroying the existing agricultural industry because it was mostly managed by whites (who employed and fed tens of thousands of blacks in the process).

Mass murder, genocide, corruption, AIDs -- as societies, these people are not taking responsibility for their own lives, and a sack of grain is not going to make any real difference until they change themselves.

Now now, lets not bring the success of white managed operations into this, lest it fall into nothing more then a racist thread!

Agreed. The last thing we need is to turn the still-somewhat-maliable mind of compfreak999 into one that picks out racism everywhere he goes. Oh wait, that's going to happen ANYWAY because of where he goes to school!

Carry on then.
 

Svnla

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Funny tho, I never see Al Sharpon or Jessie Jackson or the called "Black/African American leaders" are in any type of Africa rescue missions or charities.
 

DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
And starvation in Zimbawe is entirely that fault of ther leaders (with the support of the people) destroying the existing agricultural industry because it was mostly managed by whites (who employed and fed tens of thousands of blacks in the process).

Mass murder, genocide, corruption, AIDs -- as societies, these people are not taking responsibility for their own lives, and a sack of grain is not going to make any real difference until they change themselves.

Now now, lets not bring the success of white managed operations into this, lest it fall into nothing more then a racist thread!
I wasn't trying to imply anything about whites being better, that would be nonsense. What happened in Zimbabwe (cliffs notes)
- productive agricultural industry, mostly white-run because the whites came in with money to develop the land a few generations back.
- leader of Zimbabwe appeals to the masses by invoking racism against the whites, who "stole the land."
- leader forcibly evicts the whites, in the process dismantling the existing farm operations
- leader gives land to cronies (and some to the masses), with no experience running modern farming operation, and with no capital for tools, tractors, seed, etc.
- starvation ensues.

It's quite possible the whites deserved to lose the land, or at least pay lease fees / reparations, but the way this was done was incredibly self-destructive to the country. By going along with their leader and giving in to mob mentality these people destroyed their own economy and are now starving. Entirely self-inflicted.
 

Shockwave

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
And starvation in Zimbawe is entirely that fault of ther leaders (with the support of the people) destroying the existing agricultural industry because it was mostly managed by whites (who employed and fed tens of thousands of blacks in the process).

Mass murder, genocide, corruption, AIDs -- as societies, these people are not taking responsibility for their own lives, and a sack of grain is not going to make any real difference until they change themselves.

Now now, lets not bring the success of white managed operations into this, lest it fall into nothing more then a racist thread!
I wasn't trying to imply anything about whites being better, that would be nonsense. What happened in Zimbabwe (cliffs notes)
- productive agricultural industry, mostly white-run because the whites came in with money to develop the land a few generations back.
- leader of Zimbabwe appeals to the masses by invoking racism against the whites, who "stole the land."
- leader forcibly evicts the whites, in the process dismantling the existing farm operations
- leader gives land to cronies (and some to the masses), with no experience running modern farming operation, and with no capital for tools, tractors, seed, etc.
- starvation ensues.

It's quite possible the whites deserved to lose the land, or at least pay lease fees / reparations, but the way this was done was incredibly self-destructive to the country. By going along with their leader and giving in to mob mentality these people destroyed their own economy and are now starving. Entirely self-inflicted.

Its ok. I was implying it.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
And starvation in Zimbawe is entirely that fault of ther leaders (with the support of the people) destroying the existing agricultural industry because it was mostly managed by whites (who employed and fed tens of thousands of blacks in the process).

Mass murder, genocide, corruption, AIDs -- as societies, these people are not taking responsibility for their own lives, and a sack of grain is not going to make any real difference until they change themselves.

Now now, lets not bring the success of white managed operations into this, lest it fall into nothing more then a racist thread!
I wasn't trying to imply anything about whites being better, that would be nonsense. What happened in Zimbabwe (cliffs notes)
- productive agricultural industry, mostly white-run because the whites came in with money to develop the land a few generations back.
- leader of Zimbabwe appeals to the masses by invoking racism against the whites, who "stole the land."
- leader forcibly evicts the whites, in the process dismantling the existing farm operations
- leader gives land to cronies (and some to the masses), with no experience running modern farming operation, and with no capital for tools, tractors, seed, etc.
- starvation ensues.

It's quite possible the whites deserved to lose the land, or at least pay lease fees / reparations, but the way this was done was incredibly self-destructive to the country. By going along with their leader and giving in to mob mentality these people destroyed their own economy and are now starving. Entirely self-inflicted.

Its ok. I was implying it.

LOL
 

fredtam

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The people of Africa have largely failed to evolve and are on the way to extinction. Sould we step in and save this "endangered species"? I don't know if it is in the best interest of modern man. Sure we can help them, feed them, industrialize them, but what will that accomplish? Nothing but the soaking up of the resources of the "fittest". The money would be much better spent here or at leat on cool endangered things like whales or rainforest.
 

0roo0roo

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tossing money and food at em only props up the entrenched cultural societal problems that lead to hunger. you allow things like excessive child birth to be supported through your supposed charity, and what happens when you take away your support. doing good is nice, but sometimes good intentions alone leads to bad consequences.

and really, there are hungry children here in the US.

and really, people should start slamming religious leaders like the pope that encourage poor countries to ban/restrict contraception.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: fredtam
The people of Africa have largely failed to evolve and are on the way to extinction. Sould we step in and save this "endangered species"? I don't know if it is in the best interest of modern man. Sure we can help them, feed them, industrialize them, but what will that accomplish? Nothing but the soaking up of the resources of the "fittest". The money would be much better spent here or at leat on cool endangered things like whales or rainforest.

Well, with that arguement, how do you know that someone you save won't be some super genius who invents the cure for HIV or AIDS or finds a cure-all for cancer? The idea of just throwing them away is sickening, but the idea of avoiding our own to try scratching the surface with someone else is all the more sickening.
 

TheBoyBlunder

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
You're in high school, cute. Go to a mission in Portland and serve some soup twice a week for a semester before you start attempting to change foreign cultures.

 

fredtam

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Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: fredtam
The people of Africa have largely failed to evolve and are on the way to extinction. Sould we step in and save this "endangered species"? I don't know if it is in the best interest of modern man. Sure we can help them, feed them, industrialize them, but what will that accomplish? Nothing but the soaking up of the resources of the "fittest". The money would be much better spent here or at leat on cool endangered things like whales or rainforest.

Well, with that arguement, how do you know that someone you save won't be some super genius who invents the cure for HIV or AIDS or finds a cure-all for cancer? The idea of just throwing them away is sickening, but the idea of avoiding our own to try scratching the surface with someone else is all the more sickening.

Are you for or against abortion?
Why do we want a cure for cancer or aids?
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: fredtam
The people of Africa have largely failed to evolve and are on the way to extinction. Sould we step in and save this "endangered species"? I don't know if it is in the best interest of modern man. Sure we can help them, feed them, industrialize them, but what will that accomplish? Nothing but the soaking up of the resources of the "fittest". The money would be much better spent here or at leat on cool endangered things like whales or rainforest.

Well, with that arguement, how do you know that someone you save won't be some super genius who invents the cure for HIV or AIDS or finds a cure-all for cancer? The idea of just throwing them away is sickening, but the idea of avoiding our own to try scratching the surface with someone else is all the more sickening.

Are you for or against abortion?
Why do we want a cure for cancer or aids?

1) Against
2) I can't think of "benefits" of having either disease - why NOT cure them?
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: compfreak999
why do we not want a cure? if you had aids would u care for a cure? think about it

Since you're in HS, I can't offer you a beer for a decent opinion. So I'll just smile :)
 

fredtam

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Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: fredtam
The people of Africa have largely failed to evolve and are on the way to extinction. Sould we step in and save this "endangered species"? I don't know if it is in the best interest of modern man. Sure we can help them, feed them, industrialize them, but what will that accomplish? Nothing but the soaking up of the resources of the "fittest". The money would be much better spent here or at leat on cool endangered things like whales or rainforest.

Well, with that arguement, how do you know that someone you save won't be some super genius who invents the cure for HIV or AIDS or finds a cure-all for cancer? The idea of just throwing them away is sickening, but the idea of avoiding our own to try scratching the surface with someone else is all the more sickening.

Are you for or against abortion?
Why do we want a cure for cancer or aids?

1) Against
2) I can't think of "benefits" of having either disease - why NOT cure them?


1) Then your argument has some merit. Still the odds are slim.
2. People have to die. It is better for everybody. An increase in the lifespan of individuals puts a lot of stress on society unless you can increase the productive span. Medicine to keep people from dying that can't get around or serve some useful purpose is a waste. Everybody dies. Get over it. Drugs that exist to keep people alive in there golden years is simply a ploy to make money off the elderly's fear of death.

Edit: I know that we are talking about disease that also infects the young.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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I know that drugs that prolong life in today's medical industry are only a ploy to make money. However, if a complete cure was possible, that'd be great. Like you got to the doctor's for a checkup and he goes "oh, you've got AIDS and some-type-of-cancer? Here, take these two pills and you'll be fine by morning."
 

fredtam

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Originally posted by: compfreak999
why do we not want a cure? if you had aids would u care for a cure? think about it

There are already drugs that increase the life expectancy of the HIV infected to almost normal. I actually can't say that I would change my philosophy if I had aids. I got it (the philosophy) mainly from a terminally ill relative.
 

fredtam

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Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
I know that drugs that prolong life in today's medical industry are only a ploy to make money. However, if a complete cure was possible, that'd be great. Like you got to the doctor's for a checkup and he goes "oh, you've got AIDS and some-type-of-cancer? Here, take these two pills and you'll be fine by morning."

It would be great in theory. Cure all drugs and life expectancy increasers may not be the best thing for the continued existance and evolution of man and society though.
 

compfreak999

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yes there are drugs that almost stop aids but dosent get rid of it, and normal people dont have thousands to shell out monthly for drugs like that
 

MacBaine

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Originally posted by: compfreak999
yes there are drugs that almost stop aids but dosent get rid of it, and normal people dont have thousands to shell out monthly for drugs like that

So then perhaps they should die, and decrease the surplus population.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: compfreak999
why do we not want a cure? if you had aids would u care for a cure? think about it

There are already drugs that increase the life expectancy of the HIV infected to almost normal. I actually can't say that I would change my philosophy if I had aids. I got it (the philosophy) mainly from a terminally ill relative.

yea, those drugs are iffy, gotta take em for life. expensive, and poor people have a tendency to not take em right, or not afford full doses. off and on usage leads to drug resistant strains of hiv, ruining the drugs for all. makes hiv seem less dangerous to boot, letting the deluded/ignorant spread it ever more through irresponsible behavior...

the countries with hiv simply aren't willing to dow hat it takes to stop hiv. to give women the rights they need to refuse sex. in some countries women are arranged into marraiges with known hiv infected men, they can't refuse sex after marriage, its totally f8cked up. the ignorant men also think that f*cking a virign will cure them... the countries need a hard core police crack down on hiv infected individuals, mark them with a tatoo or something. regulate the brothels to protect the prostitutes, require they wear contraceptives because without the force of law, the men are known to favor only those hookers that will allow them to do it unprotected. theres a lost generation that must be smacked down, but human rights peeps and feel good wankers would cry foul. rather tip toe around the problem while people die.
 

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