Sarah Palin stepping down as Governor

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: Mr Pepper
Good grief you people. Every human has a breaking point. No one here has the intelligence to know entirety what all she is going through. If you don't like her, be thankful she is gone and find someone else to complain about. The amount of hatred here is disgusting.

/thread

 

[Lemon law]

I have to respect the shrumpage point of, "When Palin came in she was much more diplomatic when trying to get things done particularly with democrats in the house. Instead of strong arming reps, she would sit down with them and talk. To parapharse my friend after his return from a trip to Juneau. "she [Palin] would sit down and instead of telling a rep a flat no. Would explain why something could not be done or funded, and then work out something that would be more acceptable. It was such a breath of fresh air compared to the last administration, everyone wanted to work things out instead of being combative."

That was one of the reasons she was able to get things done with both sides of the house and maintain high approval ratings. And one of the reasons i have respect for her. This was all pre-presidental election."

Although Palin also always had the Sarah barracuda aspect of her pre-McCain pick, when I did my early research on Palin after she was picked by McCain, I also thought the shrumpage take was accurate and that Sarah Palin would be a strong VP pick.

Sadly and partly by McCain handler choice, they choose instead to emphasize the Sarah Barracuda aspect of her personality, and Sarah Palin became the polarizing figure she is now. Had they showcased the reasonable Sarah Palin willing to be be bi-partisan like McCain, history might be different. So all I can say to Mr. Pepper, Sarah Palin made her own choices, and as for the hatreds, she earned them. And if you want to dish it out, you better be able to take it also.

 

[Mr Pepper]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
So all I can say to Mr. Pepper, Sarah Palin made her own choices, and as for the hatreds, she earned them. And if you want to dish it out, you better be able to take it also.

Justifying hatred over the real or perceived differences between another individual has never ended well.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
She's never had much depth. She's probably realized that she's peaked politically and wants to give her family a break and cash in on it all.

You should move to Alaska. Someone with your depth and intelligence could be running the whole state in just a few years and you'd still have time to post here. :laugh:

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I have to respect the shrumpage point of, "When Palin came in she was much more diplomatic when trying to get things done particularly with democrats in the house. Instead of strong arming reps, she would sit down with them and talk. To parapharse my friend after his return from a trip to Juneau. "she [Palin] would sit down and instead of telling a rep a flat no. Would explain why something could not be done or funded, and then work out something that would be more acceptable. It was such a breath of fresh air compared to the last administration, everyone wanted to work things out instead of being combative."

That was one of the reasons she was able to get things done with both sides of the house and maintain high approval ratings. And one of the reasons i have respect for her. This was all pre-presidental election."

Although Palin also always had the Sarah barracuda aspect of her pre-McCain pick, when I did my early research on Palin after she was picked by McCain, I also thought the shrumpage take was accurate and that Sarah Palin would be a strong VP pick.

Sadly and partly by McCain handler choice, they choose instead to emphasize the Sarah Barracuda aspect of her personality, and Sarah Palin became the polarizing figure she is now. Had they showcased the reasonable Sarah Palin willing to be be bi-partisan like McCain, history might be different. So all I can say to Mr. Pepper, Sarah Palin made her own choices, and as for the hatreds, she earned them. And if you want to dish it out, you better be able to take it also.

They did try to push that, but it just got drowned out by everything else. I've followed politics for 15 years, i've never seen any political figure get hammered like she did. Normally even kids are off limits but it was in the first week or two that people were accusing Sarah of faking her on baby's birth. It was pretty absurd.

If you want to criticize her for how she speaks or the gaffes i think that is fair. With that in mind what public figure DOESN'T. Granted Bush set the bar pretty freak'n high for that stuff, but Obama off prompter screws up, and Biden...well he is Biden. People are human and it is pointless to tear someone down for that.

If I knew there was someone i was going to have to work with to get laws pasted - I would want the person who is known for compromise and willing to work things out - sitting on the other side. Especially if I didn't agree with that person. That is why Palin stepping out of politics is a bad thing. How cool would it be for the Obama to step in to the House and say to the Republicans "I know you don't like this bill, but this is what i feel we need to do for the country, what can I do to get your support?"

Her stepping down was a bad decision, quitting is bad, and she has destroyed any chance of her running for an office for at least the next 20 years, if ever. As a family the Palin's have taken a ton roasting, and i think if that was the only factor she would have stayed in office. As with most families i think the money factor is what is forcing the decision. The governor makes 125k -150k. An oil slope worker, depending on OT and position can make 75k-150k maybe 200k. Getting saddled with half a million in legal fees, just because you accept the VP nomination, is just screwed up. And with no end in sight, i can completely understand why she is stepping out.

 

[exar333]

Awesome! Now we just need Obama to step down too; let's clear all the clowns out of government at once.

 

[trooper11]

I think the way her and her family had been treated was way, way over the top. I dont care what party your affiliated with, if you think its right to attack someone's family becuase of your political disagreements, then you dont need to be voting.

Why is it nowadays that it seems people cannot discuss political ideas without making useless personal attacks?



I have no idea what Sarah Palin's plans are, but I would not hold this against her for stepping down for two reasons:

1. Her family has suffered enough, especially considering they are in serious debt trying to fend off the investigations (so far none have been proven to be true)


2. She might feel like she is doing a disservice to her state if she is being drug through the mud, under investiagtions putting a burden on her financially, physically, she cant really perform the duties neccesary to keep things moving smoothly.


I didnt hate her like others did. I thought it was refreshing to hear from someone 'in the trenches' so to speak, someone that seemed like just another average citizen getting a shot at something most average citizens dont get the chance to do. Just like Obama, she didnt have alot of experience, but she made up for it with the energy to pump a crowd much like Obama did. I really think McCain's handlers used her in the wrong way. There is a reason people in Alaska loved her, and it wasnt just her being a 'pit bull' or whatever, she was more than that. They decided to make her a one trick pony and that killed her chances.

We can talk about her policy views, etc, but its the people that attack others with such venom that make no sense to me. She had her stupid statements and she had her policies that we can argue about, but she didnt come across to me as a bad person or mother. Hopefully things will settle down and her and her family can get back on track.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: trooper11
1. Her family has suffered enough, especially considering they are in serious debt trying to fend off the investigations

That would be her talking point you're repeating verbatim. It's bs. Not to mention the book deal reportedly worth between $7-11 million.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/855907.html

The governor repeatedly returned to the subject of ethics complaints filed against her during her 10-minute interview with the Daily News, saying she spent "most of my day, and my staff, most of their day and the department of law, a lot of their day on the frivolity."

There have been 18 known ethics complaints filed against her. The governor's office said they've been dismissed so far with no finding of wrongdoing, although she did settle a complaint over state-paid travel for her children.

The state personnel board put its cost of dealing with the complaints at about $300,000 -- around two-thirds of which was in addressing the "Troopergate" issue last fall. Palin herself initiated the personnel board investigation on "Troopergate," saying that the state Legislature's investigation of the matter was politicized and she was seeking the appropriate venue to deal with it.

Palin said Monday she didn't view the cost as just the $300,000 for the personnel board -- but rather $2 million for the state. It is a figure her administration now uses -- not meant to be actual checks written by the state but to also reflect time of state employees.

It is a per-hour calculation that the Palin administration put together, involving time spent by state lawyers deciding which public information to release as a result of all public records requests, time spent by governor's office staffers responding to media inquiries about ethics complaints, and time technicians spend on retrieving requested e-mail, among other things.

Originally posted by: trooper11
I didnt hate her like others did. I thought it was refreshing to hear from someone 'in the trenches' so to speak, someone that seemed like just another average citizen getting a shot at something most average citizens dont get the chance to do. Just like Obama, she didnt have alot of experience, but she made up for it with the energy to pump a crowd much like Obama did.

Saying she is an average citizen is probably accurate. Comparing her to Obama is not.

Nate Silver at 538.com wrote a little piece on why people on the left might have animosity towards her, from snobbery to her intellectual incuriousity. There's plenty of reasons from policy to personality. For myself, it was her hubris to accept the nomination for a position she had no qualification for.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: trooper11
We can talk about her policy views, etc, but its the people that attack others with such venom that make no sense to me. She had her stupid statements and she had her policies that we can argue about, but she didnt come across to me as a bad person or mother. Hopefully things will settle down and her and her family can get back on track.

What policy views of Ms. Palin's could we discuss? Can you link to three issues she's talked about in some depth that a dialogue can begin upon?

 

[Lemon law]

I can understand when shrumpage says he has followed national politics for only 15 years, and even if Palin tries to comes close, no one I can really remember can beat Spiro Agnew and Richard Nixon for earning the hatreds. And I took some delight when both came to a bad end, one right after the other, both of them escaped going to jail, but not by much.

I can't say I dislike Palin to that extent, but Dick Cheney is and remains right up there on my go to jail list.

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: trooper11
We can talk about her policy views, etc, but its the people that attack others with such venom that make no sense to me. She had her stupid statements and she had her policies that we can argue about, but she didnt come across to me as a bad person or mother. Hopefully things will settle down and her and her family can get back on track.

What policy views of Ms. Palin's could we discuss? Can you link to three issues she's talked about in some depth that a dialogue can begin upon?

North Korean poppy fields....

gay abortion....

our troops are making progress fighting Al Qaeda in Honduras....

There's three relevant topics right there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl435

And 71% of them [Republicans] say they would likely vote for her if she ran for president in 2012.

So, which of you Republicans would vote for Palin 2012?

I'd say her resignation has been a catastrophic success.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: trooper11
We can talk about her policy views, etc, but its the people that attack others with such venom that make no sense to me. She had her stupid statements and she had her policies that we can argue about, but she didnt come across to me as a bad person or mother. Hopefully things will settle down and her and her family can get back on track.

What policy views of Ms. Palin's could we discuss? Can you link to three issues she's talked about in some depth that a dialogue can begin upon?

North Korean poppy fields....

gay abortion....

our troops are making progress fighting Al Qaeda in Honduras....

There's three relevant topics right there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl435

And 71% of them [Republicans] say they would likely vote for her if she ran for president in 2012.

So, which of you Republicans would vote for Palin 2012?

I'd say her resignation has been a catastrophic success.

I have said that if Ms Palin was a Democrat, her stepping down two and a half years into her term as Governor would end her career. But the Republicans are different.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
I have said that if Ms Palin was a Democrat, her stepping down two and a half years into her term as Governor would end her career. But the Republicans are different.

Look at Sanford.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: trooper11
I think the way her and her family had been treated was way, way over the top.

Yes, I recall the number of your posts saying Gore had been wrongly attacked as a liar, that Kerry's war record was wrongly lied about, that Obama pals with terrorists - zero?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: trooper11
I think the way her and her family had been treated was way, way over the top.

Yes, I recall the number of your posts saying Gore had been wrongly attacked as a liar, that Kerry's war record was wrongly lied about, that Obama pals with terrorists - zero?

believe it or not, there are some of us who do feel that the way her family was treated was over the top and that Gore was wrongly attacked as a liar and that Kerry's war record was slandered and that the accusations about Obama being a terrorist were retarded.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: trooper11
I think the way her and her family had been treated was way, way over the top.

Yes, I recall the number of your posts saying Gore had been wrongly attacked as a liar, that Kerry's war record was wrongly lied about, that Obama pals with terrorists - zero?

believe it or not, there are some of us who do feel that the way her family was treated was over the top and that Gore was wrongly attacked as a liar and that Kerry's war record was slandered and that the accusations about Obama being a terrorist were retarded.

This means that you don't like the way rove and his ilk operate being the source of such rumors.

Have you read bush's brain? I checked it out from the library in the fall of '04 thinking it was about bush. It's really about rove. Do you think any of it is true? If the candidate is truly good, why are such soulless deviants needed in a political campaign?

 

[Siddhartha]

As I pointed out in an earlier post, Ms Palin was more throughly vetted than any other VP candidate.

When Ms Palin's supporters mention how her family were treated are they referring to:

1. The coverage of her teenage daughter getting pregnant out of wedlock? I thought the issue was Ms Palin was a Social Conservative who thought that teaching abstinence was the only appropriate subject for Sex education.

2. Mr Letterman's joke about Ms Palin's daughters.

Are there other examples of her family being attacked or being mistreated?

 

[Lemon law]

In terms of Palin's family being off limits, its a two way street where you can't drive both ways in the same lane.

Palin could have chosen to leave her famdamily out of it, and instead she set new world records in pushing them forward. I have never heard of the GOP spending that much money on clothes for the entire extended family plus Levi Johnston. Then to really outrage, she bills the State of Alaska to slupp the entire extended Palin family to every campaign rally like a bunch of stage props, reveling and showcasing her family way beyond what is the norm in politics.

Sorry Sarah, you can't have your cake and eat in too.

 

[Siddhartha]

According to theUSA Today\Gallup Poll Ms Palin still has strong support among Republicans.

I am not surprised. The GOP is the party of George W Bush and Ronald Reagan.

Ms Palin has plenty of time to refine her game. That is if she intends to. She can knock on the doors, shake the hands, and kiss the right butts to build the necessary support to run for POTUS.

The next 40 months are going to be interesting.

 

[Lemon law]

I have to doubt the Siddartha contention of "Ms Palin has plenty of time to refine her game. That is if she intends to. She can knock on the doors, shake the hands, and kiss the right butts to build the necessary support to run for POTUS.

And while I can agree that Palin has enough time to refine her game, she has to first take the time to self educate her self on the issues, and instead is probably still well below the national average. Face the facts, one can't run for POTUS while asserting N. Korea has poppy fields. And in every return back into the national spotlight post election of 11/2008, Palin has consistently shown that she is ignorant as ever and proud of it. And as a media whore and a cult of personality, Palin has some talents, but when that translates into offending more people than she attracts, its a bad fit with winning elective office.

I still think Palin will go the Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter wannabe route, make big bucks on the speaking circuit,
maybe get some religious affiliations, and like the Alaskan state bird, the mosquito, she will keep buzzing in everyone's ears for many many years. And because she will not put it to the test in an election, no one will be able to swat her and be done with it.

Sure the GOP will love and support Palin for it, and also fear offending her, but run her for public office, its an even the GOP are not so nutso.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I have to doubt the Siddartha contention of "Ms Palin has plenty of time to refine her game. That is if she intends to. She can knock on the doors, shake the hands, and kiss the right butts to build the necessary support to run for POTUS.

And while I can agree that Palin has enough time to refine her game, she has to first take the time to self educate her self on the issues, and instead is probably still well below the national average. Face the facts, one can't run for POTUS while asserting N. Korea has poppy fields. And in every return back into the national spotlight post election of 11/2008, Palin has consistently shown that she is ignorant as ever and proud of it. And as a media whore and a cult of personality, Palin has some talents, but when that translates into offending more people than she attracts, its a bad fit with winning elective office.

I still think Palin will go the Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter wannabe route, make big bucks on the speaking circuit,
maybe get some religious affiliations, and like the Alaskan state bird, the mosquito, she will keep buzzing in everyone's ears for many many years. And because she will not put it to the test in an election, no one will be able to swat her and be done with it.

Sure the GOP will love and support Palin for it, and also fear offending her, but run her for public office, its an even the GOP are not so nutso.

I was referring to getting the GOP nomination for POTUS. Even after stepping down from her job as Governor after only two and a half years she still has strong support among Republicans.

I understand what you are saying but your concerns about Ms Palin apparently are not important to Republicans.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

1. The coverage of her teenage daughter getting pregnant out of wedlock? I thought the issue was Ms Palin was a Social Conservative who thought that teaching abstinence was the only appropriate subject for Sex education.

I never really undestood that line of reasoning, considering that the daughter's school did *not* in fact teach abstinence-only sex ed.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

1. The coverage of her teenage daughter getting pregnant out of wedlock? I thought the issue was Ms Palin was a Social Conservative who thought that teaching abstinence was the only appropriate subject for Sex education.

I never really undestood that line of reasoning, considering that the daughter's school did *not* in fact teach abstinence-only sex ed.

I don't think anyone claimed that the daughter's school teaches abstinence-only sex ed.

But palin supports it:

By the way, as has been pointed out, Palin backed abstinence-only education during her 2006 gubernatorial race. In an Eagle Forum Alaska questionnaire, Palin gave this response to the following question:

Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?

Palin: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com...008/09/01/1320417.aspx

Let's not try to revise history. People were in an uproar about palin and her fundie social agenda because it was a fundie social agenda.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

1. The coverage of her teenage daughter getting pregnant out of wedlock? I thought the issue was Ms Palin was a Social Conservative who thought that teaching abstinence was the only appropriate subject for Sex education.

I never really undestood that line of reasoning, considering that the daughter's school did *not* in fact teach abstinence-only sex ed.

I don't think anyone claimed that the daughter's school teaches abstinence-only sex ed.

But palin supports it

but... considering her daughter received comprehensive sex-ed and got pregnant anyways, how does it have any reflection whatsoever on abstinence-only sex ed?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

1. The coverage of her teenage daughter getting pregnant out of wedlock? I thought the issue was Ms Palin was a Social Conservative who thought that teaching abstinence was the only appropriate subject for Sex education.

I never really undestood that line of reasoning, considering that the daughter's school did *not* in fact teach abstinence-only sex ed.

I don't think anyone claimed that the daughter's school teaches abstinence-only sex ed.

But palin supports it

but... considering her daughter received comprehensive sex-ed and got pregnant anyways, how does it have any reflection whatsoever on abstinence-only sex ed?

So you are stating that Palin despite her beliefs let the school system teach her daughter about sex without any input from her?