Santorum: McCain "doesn't understand" torture

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ShawnD1

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Thump553 said:
I'd love to have you set forth that definition, for I think the term terrorist is frankly quite overused. Nearly every single tinpot dictatorship contends revolutionaries or even demonstrators are terrorists.
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Because that's what a terrorist is. Terrorism is when fear and violence are used to cause change rather than using laws. Example: fire bombing an abortion clinic instead of leading a political group = terrorism. Breaking into an animal testing facility and setting animals free is not terrorism. Blowing the building up is terrorism. Shooting political figures is terrorism.

Sometimes terrorism is the only thing that works. Dictators don't step down just because some people are leading a nonviolent protest.
 
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Thump553

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ShawnD1 said:
Because that's what a terrorist is. Terrorism is when fear and violence are used to cause change rather than using laws. Example: fire bombing an abortion clinic instead of leading a political group = terrorism. Breaking into an animal testing facility and setting animals free is not terrorism. Blowing the building up is terrorism. Shooting political figures is terrorism.

Sometimes terrorism is the only thing that works. Dictators don't step down just because some people are leading a nonviolent protest.
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That definition is way too broad, it includes all acts of war in all wars.
 
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NoStateofMind

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Fear No Evil said:
Ok, should all those who support abortion be forced to endure it? I consider that an inhumane act as well. Who gets to define inhumane, you? Why are you forcing your religious and moral views on me? You aren't one of those bible thumping teabaggers are you?

I also think anyone who is against capital punishment should be forced to have murderers live with them and their family to show their support. Seems only fair.
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What does abortion or capital punishment have to do with what you are advocating?

Who is using religious views? I'm not.

Morality isn't religiously driven, you know stealing is bad without going to church. Harming another human is inhumane and you know it. Hide like I know you will amongst all the other strawmen you will bring up once more.

Why do I think a rational discussion can be had with someone who is irrational?
 
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CallMeJoe said:
It's FNE.
If you took away ad hominems, straw men, post hoc ergo propter hoc and non sequiturs, he'd have nothing to post.
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He *does* deliver the lulz though...intentional or otherwise.

Santorum/Palin in 2012! Fuck. Yes. :thumbsup:
 
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Fear No Evil

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If you're doin' a suicide bombing tomorrow, it's gonna have to be today.
I can get off work early...
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I honestly can't put your job at risk. What would Mrs KGB say if you lost your job because you left early to torture me?
 
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Fear No Evil

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It is kind of revealing that the left seems to think being in favor of torture justifies being tortured but committing acts of terrorism do not. The left seems to be in favor of humane treatment of terrorists but if you are conservative all bets are off.

How about this. Instead of calling them terrorists, what if we labeled with Teabaggers or Republicans? Would the left suddenly be in favor of enhanced interrogation and torture? Perhaps even instead of calling them Jihadists we could call them Palinists?
 
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Fear No Evil

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Oh! Hold on! I got a better idea. Instead of calling it 'Enhanced Interrogation at Gitmo" we could call it 'Practicing Palinia Law at the Gitmo Mosque'?
 
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shira

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ProfJohn said:
It doesn't matter.

What CBS did was dishonest. The reporter is suppose to report the details of the story and not decide for themselves that the term "enhanced interrogation" is the same as torture.

I don't hear anyone in the MSM accusing us of invading Pakistan when we went after Osama, and yet what we did was essentially the same thing as an invasion.
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The reporter didn't "decide." Everyone knows that waterboarding is torture.

According to your logic, if a Senator pissed on the White House steps and then reported that he left some bodily fluid there, a reporter who used the word "urine" would be introducing editorial content.

You're an idiot.
 
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Zargon

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shira said:
Maybe he intended to refer to McCain, but he actually referred to himself.
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what does that have to do with the fact that its obvious he is talking about McCain because we know he was tortured as a POW in Vietnam :hmm:
 
zinfamous

zinfamous

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ProfJohn said:
Obama's healthcare plan is form of socialism, and yet the media never calls it that, why not?
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we live in a socialistic society.



anyway...

The McCain battles on capital hill regarding torture vs his Republican colleagues' views on torture is, imo, one of the most egregious displays of pathetic and petty political shenanigans going on in this country today.

fucking sickening. who the holy fuck are these people to tell him that he is no expert on torture? roflsocks.
 
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zinfamous

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ProfJohn said:
It doesn't matter.

What CBS did was dishonest. The reporter is suppose to report the details of the story and not decide for themselves that the term "enhanced interrogation" is the same as torture.
I don't hear anyone in the MSM accusing us of invading Pakistan when we went after Osama, and yet what we did was essentially the same thing as an invasion.
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it is absolutely the same as torture. no question about it.

the ridiculous thing though, is when the very same media tends to use the term "enhanced interrogation" when describing US acts of torture, and the word "torture" when describing any non-US military or political act of torture.

Hi-larious.
 
zinfamous

zinfamous

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Fear No Evil said:
Ok, should all those who support abortion be forced to endure it? I consider that an inhumane act as well. Who gets to define inhumane, you? Why are you forcing your religious and moral views on me? You aren't one of those bible thumping teabaggers are you?

I also think anyone who is against capital punishment should be forced to have murderers live with them and their family to show their support. Seems only fair.
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eh?

what are talking about--the right to "choose" torture?

How is that analogous to supporting the right to choose an abortion?


I am pretty sure that your support of torture in no way involves the option of choice.
 
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zinfamous

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Fear No Evil said:
It is kind of revealing that the left seems to think being in favor of torture justifies being tortured but committing acts of terrorism do not. The left seems to be in favor of humane treatment of terrorists but if you are conservative all bets are off.

How about this. Instead of calling them terrorists, what if we labeled with Teabaggers or Republicans? Would the left suddenly be in favor of enhanced interrogation and torture? Perhaps even instead of calling them Jihadists we could call them Palinists?
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lolrusrs?

:D
 
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woolfe9999

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Thump553 said:
That definition is way too broad, it includes all acts of war in all wars.
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No, the definition is roughly accurate. Most military actions are done to achieve some tactical or strategic objective and are thus not terroristic. Firebombing enemy cities where the principle purpose is to make the enemy's population sustain casualties and hence stop supporting the war effort would be a terrorist military act. Blowing up a bridge to prevent enemy tanks from corssing it is not, even if it involves incidental civilian casualties. The distinction is always that you are using violence to create fear, and using the fear to achieve a political end. Most acts of war don't qualify.
 
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GarfieldtheCat

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Fear No Evil said:
Well, the US has also convicted and incarcerated innocent people, its a fact. So should we stop sending people to jail since innocent people sometimes get convicted? Are you willing to go to jail for a crime you didn't commit because of mistaken identity or wrong place wrong time?

I guess no, so I can only assume you are pro-criminal like most liberals. Libtards don't like consequences, they only like it when its applied toward people who disagree with them.

This game is fun! :D
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You mean convicted in a legal system, according to US law? Unlike torture which is 100% illegal? Fail on your part for not knowing the difference. Typical ignorance.

So I guess the answer is no, you won't agree to be tortured when you are innocent. Typical neocon chickenhawk. All talk.
 
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