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bryanW1995

bryanW1995

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Spikesoldier said:
typical intel behavior.

early adopters screwed again. just like the G1 SSD owners
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As popular as it is to pile on intel right now, isn't this sort of thing kind of par for the course these days for high tech early-adopters? Just pretend that you're a beta tester who got to pay for the priviledge and you'll feel much better. In this particular case, it looks like the issue wasn't exactly time-sensitive since even after 3 years the failure rate is expected to be only 5-15% according to Anand. If you expect this sort of thing to happen, just wait a few months next time. And in this particular case with BD just around the corner it had to have been even more tempting for consumers to take a wait and see approach, anyway.
 
gevorg

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I'm glad I got my Sandy bridge and won't have to wait until March/April. In fact this bug will be a good excuse to upgrade to Z68. For now, I'll use current P67 with 6GB ports for SSD + primary storage, and 3GB port for DVD drive. Then once Z68 is released, I'll upgrade to that and sell the newly sealed RMA P67 board. No downtime, other than a couple hours or so for replacing the motherboards.
 
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Castiel

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So newegg pulled all P67 processors and boards. Guess what Sandy Bridge Guys.. We have COLLECTORS ITEMS... :)
 
StinkyPinky

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I think people are overreacting slightly...

The company said it has shipped 8m of the defective chips, but that it is already working on new versions of the support chips and that they could be shipping as soon as February. Had the problem gone undiscovered, about 5% of PCs using the new chipsets could have failed over a three-year period, said Stephen Smith, vice president and director of PC Client Operations at Intel. "It would be a low and continuing failure rate over the life of the systems," he said.
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5% over three years. It's not like your board is going to fail overnight.
 
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I think we expect more from Intel than we do from most other companies. A Galaxy video card not getting BIOS updates? Who cares? A $600 SSD not getting a sorely-needed and easily-provided update? Intel deserves to be criticized.

They charge a huge premium for their product, I think consumers should expect it to work properly. AMD's chipsets have more features and cost less. If Intel can't deliver a product that is at least as reliable, how can they justify the premium?

I chuckled at their "make the right choice" tagline on the Gigabyte 1155 box I have here. I guess that was a warning label.

This whole episode just underscores why we need more competition in the computer world. Intel's chipsets go bad and suddenly I don't know what to tell someone who wants to purchase a new desktop or laptop in the next 30 days. If Toyota does a recall, you can just buy a Honda.
 
bryanW1995

bryanW1995

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Nintendesert said:
You really don't think someone will attempt to sue over this? There's a reason Intel specifically mentioned they haven't seen one case of anyone being effected by this and it poses no danger to people's data. They are trying to get ahead of the suits that will arise from this.
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yeah, all it takes is one or two attack attorneys to contact every person who bought an SB mobo from jan 6, 2011 to, say feb 30, 2011 and start a class action suit. each person involved in the suit will get $1.71, and the attorneys will get $8 million.
 
bryanW1995

bryanW1995

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aigomorla said:
Have you read the EULA on anything u buy?

lolz..

Because you saying all this obviously means you didnt.

Theres a clear line in the EULA, that says any loss in work due to hardware failure is NOT responsible by the manufactorer.

And as of this moment, i did not get any notification from any vendor saying a recall was in place on the board i bought.

It says if your board just happens to fail, they will take care of the RMA.

But so far i have yet to hear someone say they lost there ICH10R which i think this is what its reffering to.

Infact someone come out who had there controller fail on them speak now, and let him be the first person to cast the stone.
Do you have SB? Did your controller fail?

If you cant answer yes for the first, why are u getting all heated up?
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EULA's are for the little fish. A very large company or class action lawsuit would have no trouble getting around a EULA, especially if they find that intel knowingly released the defective boards.


EDIT: btw, to expand on what axon stated, I have personally witsessed several instances in which a lawsuit was successful in spite of clear contract language that prohibited one in the auto business as well. That aggressive contract language is difficult but not impossible to overcome, and it definitely stops many lawsuits from even getting started.
 
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drizek said:
Apple, Dell and HP have tens of thousands of prebuilt Sandy Bridge laptops in a warehouse somewhere that they need to take apart and rebuild with totally new motherboards. 4 SATA II ports on a desktop are the least of Intel's worries.

Though, now that I think about it, wouldn't most laptops only be using the two SATA III ports anyway? Or is the mobile chip configured differently?
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I'd like to know that too. Going to check the config of my laptop after work.
 
Locut0s

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Fuck this is going to be hell at work. I've already sold at least 5 or 6 systems or more to customers. Course they will go through the service department and not me but still, this is not going to be good. Sold a system to my neighbour and they emailed me with problems she is having, bet this is the reason.
 
Locut0s

Locut0s

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Castiel said:
Wait.. does the bug just affect Sata 2 or does it effect Sata 6 as well?
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Just sata 2. That will likely be the temp fix for most of the customers I sold computers too. I don't think I had any systems with more than 2 HDDS in them so that should be fine.
 
Engineer

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Castiel said:
Wait.. does the bug just affect Sata 2 or does it effect Sata 6 as well?
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It affects SATA II (3 Gbps) only, not the SATA III (6 Gbps) ports. That's why I said earlier just give me a PCIe SATA III controller (prefer a nice RAID hardware with memory model) and I'll call it a day! :biggrin:

(edit: to use in addition to my two non problem SATA III ports).
 
Castiel

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Thanks guys. I want to put my processor on EBay for 1K to see all the hate i get... :)
 
StinkyPinky

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Considering I have four hard drives and a blu-ray drive.....using just the 6G ports is impossible :p
 
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So what happens if your motherboard fails this month? Either via this problem or something else. Do you just sit and cry for 6 weeks?
 
StinkyPinky

StinkyPinky

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Castiel said:
We have sata 6... im not worried
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I'm not just talking about this issue. Say your motherboard has a hardware failure on its PCI-E x16 slot. What then? You can't RMA it when the stock has been recalled. You're fucked aren't you?
 
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