Samsung is giving OLEDs a bad reputation

[grkM3]

Here is a good review on the HTC one iPhone 5 and gs4 screen.add this to the list of the gs4 getting better white balance.I'm looking for the Russian review next.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-ga...firms-amoleds-can-finally-do-accurate-colors/

When it comes to white balance the Galaxy S4 in Film and Adobe RGB modes is closest to the desired 6500K color temperature while the iPhone 5 got about 7250K and the HTC One 8000K, both going for a colder color temperature.When it comes to deep blacks and contrast the Super AMOLED retained its edge over the IPS LCDs it faced

 

[WelshBloke]

The problem being is, we can never define what makes a good screen. Some will say natural colors, some will say whiter whites or darker blacks, some will say PPI, other will say vibrant tones.

These "tints" you talk about are a lot less pronounced in modern OLED's. Older Samsung OLED's had this problem, but its nearly gone with the Note 2 and GS4. One of my favorite OLED screens is the Playstation Vita's, which may back up the idea that Sony makes a better panel.

OLED is still young, and is a solid performer. Honestly speaking, I don't notice tints too much, and I prefer the colors of OLED over LCD, also black levels are much deeper. I wouldn't use it for accurate color representation, as things are a bit saturated. But why does it matter? Its a phone. I will continue to consume media on my phone with its pleasingly vibrant colors, and continue to edit photos on my $700 IPS monitor when color matters.

This is the best post in this thread and really should (along with some of the reviews posted) draw things to a close.

 

[Oyeve]

This is the best post in this thread and really should (along with some of the reviews posted) draw things to a close.

Agreed.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Damn Dari you are on another level you should change your title to Samsung's newest oled in the gs4 is a game changer in screen technology and is the benchmark to beat.

It amazes me how far you go out of your way to hate Samsung so much.

BTW the gs4 has better white balance then any cell phone screen ever tested.what do you have to say about that oled screen?

It's a racial thing for him, he is either Japanese or whapanese and has a major inferiority complex when it comes to anything south Korean.

 

[ponyo]

The problem being is, we can never define what makes a good screen. Some will say natural colors, some will say whiter whites or darker blacks, some will say PPI, other will say vibrant tones.

These "tints" you talk about are a lot less pronounced in modern OLED's. Older Samsung OLED's had this problem, but its nearly gone with the Note 2 and GS4. One of my favorite OLED screens is the Playstation Vita's, which may back up the idea that Sony makes a better panel.

OLED is still young, and is a solid performer. Honestly speaking, I don't notice tints too much, and I prefer the colors of OLED over LCD, also black levels are much deeper. I wouldn't use it for accurate color representation, as things are a bit saturated. But why does it matter? Its a phone. I will continue to consume media on my phone with its pleasingly vibrant colors, and continue to edit photos on my $700 IPS monitor when color matters.

Samsung supplies the OLED screens used in Sony Playstation Vita. Vita screen is Samsung AMOLED.

 

[Aristotelian]

So everyone is attacking the messenger and not the message, I see. No one even bothered to comment on the video. People are equating OLEDs with subpar/garbage Samsung crap. SONY uses OLED screens for their high end applications where color accuracy is absolutely paramount. They also have the technology for white organic pixels. IMHO, they should license it out for others to use in the consumer space...

I used a Sony Xperia P a few months ago on a train, side by side with my Galaxy Nexus. The whiteness/brightness on the P blew me away. I haven't seen another phone with that level of brightness/whiteness, and I wish it was more common in the mobile space. This doesn't have direct relevance to OLED discussions, I suppose, but those 'white pixels' are very interesting and practical.

 

[Dari]

This is the best post in this thread and really should (along with some of the reviews posted) draw things to a close.

Not really. I see Note 2s with heavily tinted screens at electronic stores. Why is that?

It's a racial thing for him, he is either Japanese or whapanese and has a major inferiority complex when it comes to anything south Korean.

Racial thing? Inferiority complex? Hehe. It's not but believe that if that makes you content.

Samsung supplies the OLED screens used in Sony Playstation Vita. Vita screen is Samsung AMOLED.

I've never seen a Vita but it'd be interesting what they look like. If they're not tinted then Samsung must save all the bad batches for themselves.

 

[dawheat]

For those who don't see a difference in white levels between the S4 (even in Natural Mode) and the HTC One or iPhone 5 are kidding themselves. Side by side there is a clear difference. In a similar way the AMOLED screens have better black levels when watching dark content (I really only notice during movies with lots of dark scenes). I also tend to set my Note 2 screen back to standard (instead of Natural) when watching movies b/c wow - it really pops.

Like someone already posted - people have different wants and different levels of priority. Many many people are happy with Samsung's AMOLED screens and they continue to improve generation over generation.

Proponents of either side need to be really careful about not being douches and trying to make unilateral statements on what it "best" when it's their preference. Show me a screen that has the whites of the HTC One, the blacks of the S4, and sharpness of the newest 1080p screens, the ability to be as vibrant as the S4, and as bright as the One. Then we can call it the best screen.

Oh - and I love Dari. Even in P&N he's posting articles about Japan and how China and Korea need to STFU. He's got a serious hard-on for Japan for someone who isn't Japanese.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Do I have to get rid of my IPS monitors and IPS mobile devices first?

Dell/HP/LenovoAsus/Acer/Samsung/Viewsonic/LG TNs are giving LCDs a bad reputation

 

[thecapsaicinkid]

Every time I see a GS3 it looks like a store demo TV set to it's ridiculous 'hey look at me' colour mode. Yuck.

 

[MrX8503]

I hate every OLED before the GS4. I haven't seen the GS4 in person, but its getting some high marks.

Overall, I don't think Samsung is giving OLEDs a bad name. In fact I think people think its cool regardless if they know anything about screen tech, because its different.

I overheard a guy say "It's got an OLED screen", but he couldn't further elaborate why its better or what makes it different. People are funny.

It's a racial thing for him, he is either Japanese or whapanese and has a major inferiority complex when it comes to anything south Korean.

You're kind of making it more of a racial issue.

 

[Dari]

I hate every OLED before the GS4. I haven't seen the GS4 in person, but its getting some high marks.

Overall, I don't think Samsung is giving OLEDs a bad name. In fact I think people think its cool regardless if they know anything about screen tech, because its different.

I overheard a guy say "It's got an OLED screen", but he couldn't further elaborate why its better or what makes it different. People are funny.



You're kind of making it more of a racial issue.

I saw it yesterday. Same difference...

 

[Barpanda]

Haven't heard this earlier.

 

[dagamer34]

I've never seen a Vita but it'd be interesting what they look like. If they're not tinted then Samsung must save all the bad batches for themselves.

The screens themselves are fine. Samsung chooses to calibrate them for punchiness to attract the eye of a consumer when shopping for a cell phone. It's no different that from televisions in electronics stores which have torch mode enabled to avoid looking like crap with all of the lights around.

 

[Dari]

The screens themselves are fine. Samsung chooses to calibrate them for punchiness to attract the eye of a consumer when shopping for a cell phone. It's no different that from televisions in electronics stores which have torch mode enabled to avoid looking like crap with all of the lights around.

I can understand the punchiness part. My OLED phone has that. But why are they tinted? Is there something wrong with the screen? Is it something that happens over time? Has it been on too long? Honestly, I've never seen a tinted LCD screen but I've seen many Samsung phones with OLED that are tinted.

 

[jacktesterson]

I prefer IPS LCD screens on phones - Always have

I flip phones a lot - but keep coming back to the Note II - it suits me the best

But I have a Optimus G in my hands right now too next to the Note 2 - and I would love to have the Optimus G screen in a 5.5 phone

Hoping the Optimus G Pro 5.5" makes it way here soon - I'll prob give it a go.

 

[dagamer34]

I can understand the punchiness part. My OLED phone has that. But why are they tinted? Is there something wrong with the screen? Is it something that happens over time? Has it been on too long? Honestly, I've never seen a tinted LCD screen but I've seen many Samsung phones with OLED that are tinted.

Samsung keeps messing with the subpixel arrangements of the phone for some reason. The PlayStation Vita and Galaxy S II are the only Samsung phones I am aware of with a true RGB stripe with equal-sized subpixels as seen in LCD screens.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I can understand the punchiness part. My OLED phone has that. But why are they tinted? Is there something wrong with the screen? Is it something that happens over time? Has it been on too long? Honestly, I've never seen a tinted LCD screen but I've seen many Samsung phones with OLED that are tinted.

Because Samsung isn't putting in the effort to calibrate them much. They apparently are improving this aspect with the GS4 but I doubt its still where it will keep the color tints from happening as I'm sure they're mass producing them as fast as possible.

 

[Spike]

The photos looked pretty good on my Vibrant, they looked pretty good on my Radar, and they are still looking pretty good on my One. I dunno, for this average Joe the different screen types are moot, whatever differences there are have not affected my enjoyment of the phone.

I did justify my decision a little more by taking a conf call with my One and dang, those dual front speakers worked great! I don't know about the rest of the differences but those speakers really are nice.

 

[kevinsbane]

Being nitpicky here, but...

The iPhone 5 has a hotter colour temperature than the S4, and the HTC One has an even hotter colour temperature than the iPhone 5. Yes, they're bluer - which means they're a hotter colour temperature.

 

[ControlD]

Being nitpicky here, but...

The iPhone 5 has a hotter colour temperature than the S4, and the HTC One has an even hotter colour temperature than the iPhone 5. Yes, they're bluer - which means they're a hotter colour temperature.

Assuming we are talking about color temperature then:


Bluer = Cooler (higher K) temperature
Redder = Warmer (lower K) temperature

Which is reverse from physical temperature where higher temps = bluer color.

 

[ChronoReverse]

He probably just didn't know that the higher temperature numbers are considered "cooler" (i.e., the 7000k iPhone screen is "cooler" than the 6400k One X screen)

 

[ControlD]

He probably just didn't know that the higher temperature numbers are considered "cooler" (i.e., the 7000k iPhone screen is "cooler" than the 6400k One X screen)

It's a weird thing when you look at it. In colors the higher the temperature (in K) the "cooler" the color is. You can sort of work your way into an endless loop thinking about it.

 

[kevinsbane]

It's a weird thing when you look at it. In colors the higher the temperature (in K) the "cooler" the color is. You can sort of work your way into an endless loop thinking about it.

I do understand that "cooler" colours are bluer, and "warmer" colours are redder/yellower. And that convention is pretty well established, understable and natural.

But the post in question was talking specifically about colour temperatures, and colour temperatures in K at that. In speaking about colour temperature, 7200k (bluer) = hotter colour temperature. A warmer colour doesn't mean a warmer colour temperature - much to the chagrin and annoyance of everyone everywhere.

 

[ChronoReverse]

No you're still not getting it.

7000k is referred to as "cooler" than 6500k when specifically talking about colour temperatures. You could say it's a "higher" temperature as well but not "warmer".