Samsung is giving OLEDs a bad reputation

[blairharrington]

He's not (I think) talking about the photos, hes talking about the screen. OLED screens are a lot more vibrant. And all colours on a device are artificial. Do you go into galleries and start complaining that Van Goghs pictures look to vibrant and are therefore inferior?



So if just being to read black text on a white background is ok why does white balance matter then?

I know he's taking about the screen. I'm saying that any images on a proper IPS panel will look more true to life than what you'll see on an OLED screen.

When I say white balance I'm refering to the performance of whites in general. Web browser, settings menu, etc.

 

[grkM3]

I know he's taking about the screen. I'm saying that any images on a proper IPS panel will look more true to life than what you'll see on an OLED screen.

When I say white balance I'm refering to the performance of whites in general. Web browser, settings menu, etc.

Have you not read any reviews on the gs4 screen?

Here is a snip from display mate

Its color calibration is a bit better, although the Galaxy S4 has a more accurate White

 

[openwheel]

"Calibration" is the key word.

 

[QueBert]

I honestly haven't had any problem with AMOLED, its a lot better than the old AMOLED found on the SII, my Note 2 looks great and whites are fine, blacks and colors are amazing.

To each their own, this is why Android is awesome. You have a choice, and you vote with your dollar.

If AMOLED was so bad, the Galaxy series of phones would not be the most popular Android phones on the market.

95% marketing and the Samsung name which people know. My neighbor bought an GS2, I'll bet my life he doesn't know what OLED/AMOLED is. Hell, he told me when I saw him with the phone "nope, I didn't buy an Android, I don't like the Droid, they had them there. This is a Samsung Galaxy!"

So fuck screens, I could even argue that many people don't even buy Android phones because they're Android.

 

[WelshBloke]

I know he's taking about the screen. I'm saying that any images on a proper IPS panel will look more true to life than what you'll see on an OLED screen.

They won't really look true to life though as they'll be a few inches across. Image accuracy on small images is not that helpful.

When I say white balance I'm refering to the performance of whites in general. Web browser, settings menu, etc.

Yeah but you said that ok blacks on a white background is OK as you can read it, why does the criteria change when its the white background that you perceive as inaccurate? Why does an inaccurate white in a settings menu matter?

 

[blairharrington]

Those websites that are off white, do you email them and tell them to use true white?

Maybe you should give up, why would you try and convince someone else that their preference is wrong?

They can do those things but what does power draw matter? Who cares as long as the devices total up time is OK? LCD can produce proper whites and accurate colours but we are talking about devices a few inches across that we use in a variety of locations. Its really not THAT important.

Now you're talking sense although I have a feeling LCD probably has a limited lifetime for use in mobile devices.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading your reply. This applies to not just white but off white, etc. Why are you being so disrespectful towards me right now? This isn't a huge revelation.


I'm giving up in the sense that arguing with people about this matter is a huge waste of my time. There will always be the OLED defenders who claim OLED is a better smartphone screen technology.


Power draw matters a great deal. If you spend a lot of time looking at white backgrounds on your phone, as I do, you'll be eating up more battery power. It's just another reason why I prefer IPS.


Limited lifetime in mobile devices? Are you kidding? The majority of phones are LCD's. That isn't changing anytime soon.

 

[WelshBloke]

95% marketing and the Samsung name which people know. My neighbor bought an GS2, I'll bet my life he doesn't know what OLED/AMOLED is. Hell, he told me when I saw him with the phone "nope, I didn't buy an Android, I don't like the Droid, they had them there. This is a Samsung Galaxy!"

So fuck screens, I could even argue that many people don't even buy Android phones because they're Android.

They don't need to know any of the terms, marketing or technical, the screen is the thing they are looking at. If the thought it looked crappy they wouldn't have bought it.

 

[blairharrington]

They won't really look true to life though as they'll be a few inches across. Image accuracy on small images is not that helpful.



Yeah but you said that ok blacks on a white background is OK as you can read it, why does the criteria change when its the white background that you perceive as inaccurate? Why does an inaccurate white in a settings menu matter?

I can clearly tell how much more realistic the images are on a website on my iPhone 5 versus OLED phone. This applies to even a 4" screen. I'm starting to feel like you are trolling me or you just disagree with me on everything.

It's not inaccurate white. It's poor whites. It's grey-ish whites. It makes for a terrible experience. I'm speaking for myself only. If you don't agree so be it.

 

[blairharrington]

Have you not read any reviews on the gs4 screen?

Here is a snip from display mate

Its color calibration is a bit better, although the Galaxy S4 has a more accurate White

I've seen the difference with my very eyes. I went to AT&T over the weekend and spent about 15 minutes comparing the S4 screen to my iPhone 5. I made sure to put the brightness at max on both, auto off, and I tried all 4 different screen modes on the S4. There is still a huge difference when it comes to white performance on both devices.

 

[grkM3]

I can clearly tell how much more realistic the images are on a website on my iPhone 5 versus OLED phone. This applies to even a 4" screen. I'm starting to feel like you are trolling me or you just disagree with me on everything.

It's not inaccurate white. It's poor whites. It's grey-ish whites. It makes for a terrible experience. I'm speaking for myself only. If you don't agree so be it.

This is my last response to you about pure whites like on Google.com

The pure White balance is better on the gs4 then on any iPhone ever tested.

 

[Yongsta]

95% marketing and the Samsung name which people know. My neighbor bought an GS2, I'll bet my life he doesn't know what OLED/AMOLED is. Hell, he told me when I saw him with the phone "nope, I didn't buy an Android, I don't like the Droid, they had them there. This is a Samsung Galaxy!"

So fuck screens, I could even argue that many people don't even buy Android phones because they're Android.

Most of the people I know who bought Galaxies and don't know anything about technology kept raving to me about how awesome the screen was (mainly oversaturated colors but people love it).

Also lol @ Dari posting the same diatribe over and over with the same arguments and getting reaction from people.

 

[QueBert]

They don't need to know any of the terms, marketing or technical, the screen is the thing they are looking at. If the thought it looked crappy they wouldn't have bought it.

You're giving the average person way too much credit, they see overblown over saturated colors and start to drool over how beautiful it is. My neighbor's idea of good screen and mine are opposite ends of the spectrum. By your logic nobody would by Bose because there are far better sounding speakers. Oh wait, this same neighbor has Bose and raves about it.

And to everyone else bringing up white black, my phone's mostly white, except for text. Gray'ish text beats a piss poor white background. Text that looks gray instead of black beats a blue white, because gray's similar to white, where blue or purple is nothing like white.

 

[WelshBloke]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading your reply. This applies to not just white but off white, etc. Why are you being so disrespectful towards me right now? This isn't a huge revelation.

In what way am I being disrespectful of you? You're trying to convince everyone that LCDs are better, I'm saying its down to personal preference.

Again, why does the hue of the settings menu matter?

I'm giving up in the sense that arguing with people about this matter is a huge waste of my time. There will always be the OLED defenders who claim OLED is a better smartphone screen technology.

Thing is you're trying to tell people they are wrong in their preferences. That never goes down well.

Power draw matters a great deal. If you spend a lot of time looking at white backgrounds on your phone, as I do, you'll be eating up more battery power. It's just another reason why I prefer IPS.

All that matters is how long the phone runs for, how they achieve that doesn't matter as long as it does not impinge your useage.

Limited lifetime in mobile devices? Are you kidding? The majority of phones are LCD's. That isn't changing anytime soon.

It will.

 

[blairharrington]

This is my last response to you about pure whites like on Google.com

The pure White balance is better on the gs4 then on any iPhone ever tested.

Better? Go look for yourself. This is a ridiculous statement. Whites on the iPhone 5 are brighter and whiter than the S4. Anybody on this forum can go see for themselves if they don't believe me.

 

[grkM3]

I've seen the difference with my very eyes. I went to AT&T over the weekend and spent about 15 minutes comparing the S4 screen to my iPhone 5. I made sure to put the brightness at max on both, auto off, and I tried all 4 different screen modes on the S4. There is still a huge difference when it comes to white performance on both devices.

I'm sorry but your testing in real life is plain wrong.when trusted review sites use machines to scan and look at the screen and post up better whites I will take there testing over a biased poster that obviously hates oled screens.

Your yelling us that based on your personal taste and review that you think the iPhone 5 has better white when there is over 3 legit review sites that all put the gs4 with a better pure white balance?

Do you think display mate is lying and somehow biased towards Samsung when they gave the nod to the iPhone for all these years?

 

[WelshBloke]

You're giving the average person way too much credit, they see overblown over saturated colors and start to drool over how beautiful it is. My neighbor's idea of good screen and mine are opposite ends of the spectrum. By your logic nobody would by Bose because there are far better sounding speakers. Oh wait, this same neighbor has Bose and raves about it.

Why is your idea of a good screen better than his? He likes bright vibrant colours you, presumably, like more subdued accurate ones.

Aren't you a fan of Beats? Its a bit like that, Beats isnt an accurate sound but some people prefer it.

 

[blairharrington]

In what way am I being disrespectful of you? You're trying to convince everyone that LCDs are better, I'm saying its down to personal preference.

Again, why does the hue of the settings menu matter?




Thing is you're trying to tell people they are wrong in their preferences. That never goes down well.




All that matters is how long the phone runs for, how they achieve that doesn't matter as long as it does not impinge your useage.




It will.

I'm not convincing everyone. It's how I personally feel. And I've shown the difference to many in my personal life and I still have yet to meet anyone who didn't agree that there is a difference and it's significant. Whether someone feels that difference matters is another story.

The hue of the settings menu does not matter. I was simply bringing up where you'd see the performance of white in addition to a website. I don't know how to state it any other way. I want bright and vibrant white on my smartphone screen. The IPS panels provide that. OLED does not. If you don't agree or care, so be it. End of story.

I've said countless times on this forum that if you or anyone likes OLED, so be it. You are now putting words into my mouth that I never said. Thanks.

 

[Oyeve]

Also lol @ Dari posting the same diatribe over and over with the same arguments and getting reaction from people.

I bet he spewed cheetos all over his KB right now! mmmm, cheetos. gotta get me some.

 

[Dari]

I don't want to ignore you or change your opinion. I never even tried. Your anal hatred of samsung is most amusing. I can just see you turning red in the basement on your KB. It amuses me. So rant on please.

Sure you tried. You gave suggestions. But I think you could use a bit more tact. Also, I'm not an emotional person so I don't get visibly upset over something (like this). I'm glad you find me amusing.

Back on topic, did you watch that part of the video? Do you have any opinion on it?

 

[QueBert]

Why is your idea of a good screen better than his? He likes bright vibrant colours you, presumably, like more subdued accurate ones.

Aren't you a fan of Beats? Its a bit like that, Beats isnt an accurate sound but some people prefer it.

I love the Beats EQ on HTC phones, typically people who don't seem to be ones who hate the headphones and only hate the EQ part of HTC phones because of the name behind it. I would imagine a decent number never even heard it in action. The Beats EQ actually mellows out the bass and makes music sound better imho. I bet if I let 50 people hear that EQ against whichever one they use in a blind test, most would pick Beat. Their EQ isn't = their headphones, 2 totally different things that sound absolutely nothing alike.

 

[blairharrington]

I'm sorry but your testing in real life is plain wrong.when trusted review sites use machines to scan and look at the screen and post up better whites I will take there testing over a biased poster that obviously hates oled screens.

The difference cannot be any more clear. I'm not biased. If you don't agree with what I'm stating, so be it. I'm not the first person to point out a clear pro of IPS panels is their white performance. Furthermore I went to AT&T just a few days ago and saw this for myself yet again. Why would I lie? How could I possibly compare something like that and come up with a different conclusion than what is the reality of the situation? Again, if you don't agree with me, so be it. I dare anybody to go to google.com on an iPhone 5 and S4, max out the brightness, put the S4 on any mode, and you can see it for yourself. I honestly could not care less what you or any other skeptic has to say on the matter.

 

[Dari]

I'm sorry but your testing in real life is plain wrong.when trusted review sites use machines to scan and look at the screen and post up better whites I will take there testing over a biased poster that obviously hates oled screens.

Your yelling us that based on your personal taste and review that you think the iPhone 5 has better white when there is over 3 legit review sites that all put the gs4 with a better pure white balance?

Do you think display mate is lying and somehow biased towards Samsung when they gave the nod to the iPhone for all these years?

Haha. Does a machine look at your screen for you and tells you how good it looks?

 

[blairharrington]

Your yelling us that based on your personal taste and review that you think the iPhone 5 has better white when there is over 3 legit review sites that all put the gs4 with a better pure white balance?

Do you think display mate is lying and somehow biased towards Samsung when they gave the nod to the iPhone for all these years?

I'm not yelling. Go see the difference for yourself you dork.

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm not convincing everyone. It's how I personally feel. And I've shown the difference to many in my personal life and I still have yet to meet anyone who didn't agree that there is a difference and it's significant. Whether someone feels that difference matters is another story.

You are coming across like you're on some kind of crusade against the "oled defenders".

The hue of the settings menu does not matter. I was simply bringing up where you'd see the performance of white in addition to a website. I don't know how to state it any other way. I want bright and vibrant white on my smartphone screen. The IPS panels provide that. OLED does not. If you don't agree or care, so be it. End of story.

So you've spent some time using an S4 then? As you seem pretty definite about that S4 screen.

I've said countless times on this forum that if you or anyone likes OLED, so be it. You are now putting words into my mouth that I never said. Thanks.

You've also called them "oled defenders" rather than understanding that different people like different things. Your preferences are not superior to theirs.

 

[WelshBloke]

I love the Beats EQ on HTC phones, typically people who don't seem to be ones who hate the headphones and only hate the EQ part of HTC phones because of the name behind it. I would imagine a decent number never even heard it in action. The Beats EQ actually mellows out the bass and makes music sound better imho. I bet if I let 50 people hear that EQ against whichever one they use in a blind test, most would pick Beat. Their EQ isn't = their headphones, 2 totally different things that sound absolutely nothing alike.

Yeah, like I was saying, accuracy isn't everything. You should understand that if you prefer music with the Beats EQ.