Discussion Samsung Exynos SoC thread

[DrMrLordX]

Let's see if Samsung lands any customers other than themselves before we pronounce the race back on lol

When it came to SF3, Samsung wasn't even fabbing their own flagship chips!

 

[hemedans]

All we know is that the yields are good enough for this particular case of Samsung fabbing their own SoC design. The cost per chip only has to be less than what they're paying per Qualcomm SoC for it to make sense - which I'd guess is around 25% or so.

The same math doesn't apply for third parties who have TSMC as an option. Let's see if Samsung lands any customers other than themselves before we pronounce the race back on lol

Didn't they sign $16.5B deal with Tesla recently? According to Ming Chi kuo upcoming Tesla A16 will be manufactured using SF2.

 

[DZero]

It depends on the other source's willingness or ability to do anything cheaper than the monopoly.
If there is an actual monopoly they will attract state attention. Having a theoretical competitor can be better than a monopoly position for monopolists.
E.g. The mere existence of Radeon or Firefox doesn't really help consumers much. Nvidia does their price hikes regardless, Chrome pushes their user-hostile changes regardless.
But Samsung will probably actually try. They want diversified business. Overexposure to memory market is painful.

Still, Firefox has some share and Radeon has the consoles.

 

[Panino Manino]

Still, Firefox has some share and Radeon has the consoles.

What both have in commom is vanishing market share.

 

[gdansk]

Still, Firefox has some share and Radeon has the consoles.

I use both. I'm not putting them down out of disdain. But the point was it doesn't matter, they can't gain enough traction to do anything useful for the market in general.

Samsung fabrication needs a working process, external customers, and enough volume to build out another fab in order to have real impact. They're still at stage 1, get it working. Maybe stage 2 if the Tesla order is more than hype and some products move on to this process.

 

[DZero]

What both have in commom is vanishing market share.

Considering what Apple is about to pull this year with the Mac Books... heck, Safari might start to get more and more adepts. And if somehow an A19 Pro Mac Mini appears... heck, it will cause more troubles to Google.... and nVIDIA.

 

[Panino Manino]

Considering what Apple is about to pull this year with the Mac Books... heck, Safari might start to get more and more adepts. And if somehow an A19 Pro Mac Mini appears... heck, it will cause more troubles to Google.... and nVIDIA.

Talking about browsers, while I still lament its base from the chorume... TRY VIVALDI. New version was released yesterday with big changes: https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-on-desktop-7-6/

CEO put his feet down to decree that they will NOT add "AI" to Vivaldi, contrary to Firefox that every month adds some and promises more.
No wonder is dying fast.

 

[DZero]

Talking about browsers, while I still lament its base from the chorume... TRY VIVALDI. New version was released yesterday with big changes: https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-on-desktop-7-6/

CEO put his feet down to decree that they will NOT add "AI" to Vivaldi, contrary to Firefox that every month adds some and promises more.
No wonder is dying fast.

Chromium is a no go, is a RAM killer browser, I'll wait for another option now.

 

[Tigerick]

Samsung Exynos: Fifth Player Joining WoA platform



I am using same calculator for Samsung Exynos lineup.

The leaked clock speed is 3.8GHz for C1U core and ST GB6 is around 3300+, lower than D9500's 3700+. Even though E2600 shown impressive gains in total clock speeds, ST performance is meh compared to the rest of players. And my question remains: Why do Samsung insist on using 10-core for three generations of design?

Hoho, my conclusion is the same: Samsung will be entering WoA platform like Mediatek... And Samsung is using phone SoC as WoA SoC.

I haven't talked about the partnership with AMD, ie. Xclipse series (RDNA3 12CU) which is part of the conclusion. Stay tuned....

 

[NTMBK]

Samsung Exynos: Fifth Player Joining WoA platform

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I am using same calculator for Samsung Exynos lineup.

The leaked clock speed is 3.8GHz for C1U core and ST GB6 is around 3300+, lower than D9500's 3700+. Even though E2600 shown impressive gains in total clock speeds, ST performance is meh compared to the rest of players. And my question remains: Why do Samsung insist on using 10-core for three generations of design?

Hoho, my conclusion is the same: Samsung will be entering WoA platform like Mediatek... And Samsung is using phone SoC as WoA SoC.

I haven't talked about the partnership with AMD, ie. Xclipse series (RDNA3 12CU) which is part of the conclusion. Stay tuned....

Well that's going to be a garbage experience for users. Samsung should have done a deal with AMD to just fab low end Ryzen APUs on Samsung process nodes instead, fairly sure they've done similar before.

 

[LightningZ71]

The user experience is going to depend on the maturity of WoA a whole lot more than the SoC performance. It's all "good enough" on the CPU side. What's most important is going to be how well the video drivers are implemented for the iGPU, and Samsung may have an advantage there with AMD IP.

 

[DZero]

Well that's going to be a garbage experience for users. Samsung should have done a deal with AMD to just fab low end Ryzen APUs on Samsung process nodes instead, fairly sure they've done similar before.

Do you think that they aren't planning on that? I feel that depending how Exynos fares, AMD will go with Samsung with some designs, besides Canis or a refresh of it.

 

[Antey]

I think AMD will benefit A LOT from WoA. Samsung Exynos, ARM CPU + RDNA GPU IP. Much better drivers support than adreno for gaming. They could design big SoCs with 40-96+ CUs for Samsung to compete with Apple M MAX/Ultra.

 

[adroc_thurston]

I think AMD will benefit A LOT from WoA

the what.
AMD has x86, they just don't care about WoA.

They could design big SoCs with 40-96+ CUs for Samsung to compete with Apple M MAX/Ultra.

who wants that.

 

[Antey]

And AMD has x86. Why do they care about mobile? Why are they partnering with Samsung for the Exynos 2600 and future designs...

who wants that.

Ask qualcomm why they are investing in WoA, or why NVIDIA is going to do the same with MEDIATEK and then you might understand why AMD would want to benefit from WoA in the future too.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Why are they partnering with Samsung for the Exynos 2600 and future designs...

They didn't, it just IP licensing.

Ask qualcomm why they are investing in WoA

They don't have x86.

or why NVIDIA is going to do the same with MEDIATEK

Intel.
They now do it with Intel. all hail x86.

and then you might understand why AMD would want to benefit from WoA in the future too.

I don't think AMD benefits from a stillborn platform.

 

[Antey]

Time will tell. As always.

My company is introducing AI in services you would say it just won't work right now. But they are happily buying it, and it's just because they want to be the first to have that AI label. They know it works like ass. They do it even if AI is a stillborn technology or just vaporware.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Time will tell.

Wdym, WoA's 8 years old.
it's never once been relevant.

 

[hemedans]

I think AMD will benefit A LOT from WoA. Samsung Exynos, ARM CPU + RDNA GPU IP. Much better drivers support than adreno for gaming. They could design big SoCs with 40-96+ CUs for Samsung to compete with Apple M MAX/Ultra.

There is atleast rumors Samsung will release Linux handheld or Exynos will power some Linux handheld and use Valve Arm support for steam os.

 

[Meteor Late]

WoA will get more relevant over time, more and more apps will get ported and performance will continue to improve. But it will probably never get relevant enough to overtake x86, at least if AMD continues to have good enough gains, to where the difference is just not big enough to justify the pitfalls of WoA. So most likely it will incrementally improve, incrementally get more market share but... that's it.

 

[adroc_thurston]

WoA will get more relevant over time

Same mantra every year, only that nothing ever happens.

 

[DZero]

WoA like Windows 11 are starting to be failure projects. Windows 10 with less is far better than Windows 11.

 

[Saylick]

If MS is only capable of shipping a good version of Windows with every other iteration, good luck to them to get WoA right.

 

[adroc_thurston]

If MS is only capable of shipping a good version of Windows with every other iteration, good luck to them to get WoA right.

MS is only part of the problem.
None of the WoA vendors (QCOM, really) get PC.

 

[gdansk]

If MS is only capable of shipping a good version of Windows with every other iteration, good luck to them to get WoA right.

I know it's a joke but at some point Microsoft switched to make every version the bad version. They count on Windows users suffering anything to play their games. Or some obscure Excel macro that only works in compatibility mode.