"salary commensurate with experience"...let's not waste anyone's time

[IndyColtsFan]

What I found annoying during my last job interview is I specified $x to $y and they were like lets interview - asking me if I was negotiable. I said sure depending on benefits, etc.

Well they came back trying to match my current benefits (but still couldn't) and came in at $1k under my minimum. I said add to it or no thanks. They came back and wouldn't even add $1k. I said peace, I'm not working for less than I feel I'm worth (in line with the job description).

For my current job, they came in $2K under the minimum I would leave my old job for (and this amount was already a significant pay cut -- long story). I haggled and haggled with them and they wouldn't budge. Finally, I struck a deal with the manager -- even though I was starting in April and their reviews were in June, she would review me and immediately make up the difference. That, coupled with the benefits package, exceeded the pay at my old job so I left. When June rolled around, she kept her word and I got the $2K thrown into my salary. Sometimes, you just need to be inventive.

 

[TecHNooB]

i hate formalities

 

[spidey07]

You have it completely backwards. In todays job market yes, the employers have all the power, and they use that power to pick and choose the best employee. They also have many many potential employees to choose from, so it is easy to dismiss someone from the list for being perceived to have a bad attitude.

The OP gave the company an easy way to dismiss him and move on to the next candidate, while he did not even give them a chance by talking with them for 20 or 25 minutes to ask the questions he wanted to ask in a less confrontational manner.

That's absolutely false with high end IT. There's a huge shortage of talent at that level. It's impossible to find good, highly skilled people and when you do you WILL pay them a pretty penny because they know they are worth it and are probably making it already. You have to convince them to jump. If you wind up paying them less or they accept it just means that really aren't as good as they say. Which can normally be ferreted out in the tech interview where we beat the snot out of you and make you prove you know what you're doing.

There's been times when we found the perfect fit and after negotiations the price was still too much for budget. So we create a position for them because good ones are so hard to find. And you don't want your competitors to snatch them up.

As far as attitude goes, the top level IT guys can get an attitude because they know they are valuable. I have to keep mine consciously in check when interviewing or going through the process. The highly skilled IT professional, with strong communication and people/soft skills can print his own paycheck he's so valuable. It doesn't matter how skilled you are if nobody wants to work with you and find your attitude and demeanor abrasive. You are a businessman first, an IT pro second.

And finally to the cold calls from recruiters? They are your best friend and you should build and maintain relationships with them, give them some business of people you know that they might be looking for. These folks make their living on knowing where the jobs are and what's going on internally at various companies/clients. Why would you blow off somebody that has so much potential to help you? Even if the position they contacted you for isn't a good fit or you're not interested, nuture and build that relationship. Networking 101.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You're an arrogant dick.

You necro'd a 6 year old post to insult someone? Really?

 

[Red Squirrel]

I hate job postings that don't indicate a clear salary. I don't want to screw around and I don't want my salary for the entirety of my employment to be based on how good of a negotiator I was on my interview day. I want to see a structured salary scale so I know what I can at least eventually make. Start me anywhere you want on that scale, I just want to know what it is and not have to guess.

I had a job interview at a place that even after the interview they did not tell me a salary figure. I did not take that job. I did the right thing as an opening for the company I work for now opened up shortly after and they pay quite a lot. Not 100k lot, but still a lot compared to most jobs here outside of the mines.