"salary commensurate with experience"...let's not waste anyone's time

[Farmer]

Just got a reply:

What does that mean? We will forgo as in not interested, or we will forgo as in we'll just give you an offer?

 

[wheresmybacon]

I think what some you guys don't understand is that when you're talking about mid to higher level IT positions, especially non-contract FTE positions, the interview process isn't something that takes 15 minutes. It's an endeavor. A couple phone interviews, one being a lengthy technical discussion, then at least 2 or 3 on site interviews are the norm in my experience.

If I was posting this, say, 10 years ago when I only had a few years experience I would probably be saying I'm a dick too...

 

[wheresmybacon]

What does that mean? We will forgo as in not interested, or we will forgo as in we'll just give you an offer?

I think it means that I'm too expensive. That's fine. It's what I expected, but you never know if you don't ask.

 

[Numenorean]

What does that mean? We will forgo as in not interested, or we will forgo as in we'll just give you an offer?

It means they will abstain from interviewing him, which means no job.

 

[highland145]

If I was posting this, say, 10 years ago when I only had a few years experience I would probably be saying I'm a dick too...

People get their feelings hurt over the simplest crap. I'd rather not have my time wasted either. They should have posted some $$.

 

[spidey07]

I think what some you guys don't understand is that when you're talking about mid to higher level IT positions, especially non-contract FTE positions, the interview process isn't something that takes 15 minutes. It's an endeavor. A couple phone interviews, one being a lengthy technical discussion, then at least 2 or 3 on site interviews are the norm in my experience.

If I was posting this, say, 10 years ago when I only had a few years experience I would probably be saying I'm a dick too...

I'm a network architect consultant with close to 20 years experience.

I would NEVER give a number first. I've been able to increase my salary between 50 and 100% with each jump specifically because of that fact.

I see where you're coming from, but that strategy can lead you to be underpaid or not paid what you're really worth.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

i wouldnt want to work with you, based on that email.

i think you are definitely right to get the salary stuff out up front, and walk away if they beat around the bush or waste your time. but i think there are more professional ways to go about it.

 

[M0RPH]

Your email came off as arrogant. Obviously someone didn't like it, that's why you got the terse and unfriendly reply.

 

[highland145]

I'm a network architect consultant with close to 20 years experience.

I would NEVER give a number first. I've been able to increase my salary between 50 and 100% with each jump specifically because of that fact.

He knows what he needs/wants and if their budget is 2/3 of that then it's a waste of time.

Edit: Salesmen hate me. They throw their pitch and I cut them off at the start. What are you selling and how much does it cost?

 

[D1gger]

Your email came off as arrogant. Obviously someone didn't like it, that's why you got the terse and unfriendly reply.

That is how I read the situation as well. Chances are that even if my position met his requirements, I wouldn't interview the OP because of the attitude.

 

[Juddog]

I was on a phone interview the other day and they literally asked "if you had to give a figure of the absolute lowest salary you would accept, what figure would you give?"

I gave them a figure and they never called back.

 

[wheresmybacon]

I'm a network architect consultant with close to 20 years experience.

I would NEVER give a number first. I've been able to increase my salary between 50 and 100% with each jump specifically because of that fact.

I see where you're coming from, but that strategy can lead you to be underpaid or not paid what you're really worth.

I hear you, and I agree with you. What I probably should have been more clear on is this position was one I debated on even applying for because it's a ways below, skill-wise, what I've been doing. It was just with a good company so I figured I'd see what they were offering.

 

[Wyndru]

Interesting approach. I'm curious as to why they responded canceling the interview. You should send a follow-up email asking for an explanation of why you got denied, inquiring minds want to know

 

[Capt Caveman]

Just got a reply:

LOL. Expected even if you weren't overpriced.

 

[rasczak]

the interview process is a huge waste of time, for those not hired. You find out where you and the company stand with each other, then if each fits, you discuss salary. You never know what the company is like until you get in the door and see it first hand. All you probably did was shut the door on what could have been an even better employer.

 

[alkemyst]

While I can agree as so many companies indeed become a waste of time...looking for 10 years experience, 4 year degree, certs and then offering $30-40k with barely any benefits.

They are preying on those out of work and those living at home leveraging the $20k in expenses per year or more they don't have.

I have known some to fall for the 're-evaluation of salary in 3-6 months deal'...you get presented with an explaination that although your boss feels you are worth so much more, the best they can do DUE TO COMPANY POLICY is offer 5-10% and maybe re-evaluate again at your annual review which then becomes pro-rated against the previous bump.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Yeah, it was probably a little too forward. The only time I was ever that forward was when I applied for a position and they called me at work and wanted to interview me AT THAT MOMENT. They were kind of rude, so I said "I really don't want to waste your time or mine, so can you tell me a little more about the position and the expected salary range?" She told me and after I got done laughing, I said "No thanks. Thanks for calling me back, however."

 

[nanette1985]

Edit: Salesmen hate me. They throw their pitch and I cut them off at the start. What are you selling and how much does it cost?

In my sales years I loved you. You just gave me some valuable information I have more than one sales pitch, you know.


OP: not the smartest move, but you got what you wanted, you didn't waste any of your time. Sadly, you will never know if they rejected you because they weren't in your financial ballpark, or because they didn't like your attitude.

Best of luck in your job hunting!

 

[highland145]

In my sales years I loved you. You just gave me some valuable information I have more than one sales pitch, you know.

Wait. You don't love me now?

These days, they don't. Youngsters.

Had some AT&T contractor say, "Well, I've got 50 other customers that want my help making $$."

Whiner. Click.

 

[Gunslinger08]

I'm very anti-BS and time wasting. Whenever I've looked at job descriptions in the past, I've skipped the ones that don't offer some sort of salary indication. I take it to mean that they are going to pay well below the typical applicant's expectations, meaning it would be a waste of my time and their time. I know that some people say that this means "I'm only in it for the money." That's stupid. Would you work for $10k/year if you really loved your job? The amount that you love your job doesn't affect your expenses. We're all adults and understand that we need a certain level of income to maintain our lifestyles.

 

[gophins72]

i think OP's response is fine and would be appreciative of the directness, but i am of the same mold that time=money. however, i might not be in the majority, as other posters are replying with. i dont see it as arrogance, he isn't talking down to anyone, he is giving explicit facts, though terse. in all honesty, the person shouldnt be making demands of the OP (not that he is) considering it is a cold call to begin with.

 

[TuxDave]

I think what some you guys don't understand is that when you're talking about mid to higher level IT positions, especially non-contract FTE positions, the interview process isn't something that takes 15 minutes. It's an endeavor. A couple phone interviews, one being a lengthy technical discussion, then at least 2 or 3 on site interviews are the norm in my experience.

If I was posting this, say, 10 years ago when I only had a few years experience I would probably be saying I'm a dick too...

That's why you ask questions on the position during the phone interview. 25 minutes of answering some casual questions and when it concludes you can ask about the expected responsibilities etc... and if it doesn't interest you, you can withdraw your application at that point.

So yeah, I would say you took an incorrect approach.

 

[wheresmybacon]

That's why you ask questions on the position during the phone interview. 25 minutes of answering some casual questions and when it concludes you can ask about the expected responsibilities etc... and if it doesn't interest you, you can withdraw your application at that point.

So yeah, I would say you took an incorrect approach.

Finally someone offering a dissenting opinion that has a suggestion on another angle. Thank you. I will take this advice.

 

[Aikouka]

I don't see your e-mail as rude at all, but sometimes people consider being so upfront as being rude... which is kind of odd.

 

[Sentrosi2121]

You're a contractor looking to get out of being a contractor. Sieze opportunities as they come your way. You never know if Somelady will leave that company for another that you'll want to work for.