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ondma said:
Still, even with v-cache, I would not consider a hex core cpu for a gaming build now. BL4 already states an 8 core cpu for the min requirements, although I am playing it acceptably (barely) on an old 8700k. Still, too many games are being built on UE5 with horrible optimization. Seeing how the gpu requirements have skyrocketed recently with UE5 and ray tracing, I would definitely go with 8 cores for gaming, because you never know if the same thing will happen for cpu demands.
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$210 for the 7600X3D is a no brainer buy. Even though it's last gen, it is a limited availability 3D part so it'll hold its value for years to come. People also forget how impressive the FPS/W is - https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/amds-s...-review-benchmarks-vs-7800x3d-5700x3d-9800x3d

I have a 5600X3D and even the Spiderman games with RT and Space Marine 2 can't slow its roll. Zen 3 is coming up on 6 years old now. Consequently, I don't expect the Zen 4 version to be on the struggle bus in games for a long time. The final bonus is platform longevity; there will probably be a Zen 6 version to upgrade to in a few years. There is no appreciable downside to building with it if you are fortunate enough to be near a MicroCenter or order from MindFactory.

Aussie Steve tested 6 vs 8 cores in Battlefield 6 multiplayer; an extremely CPU heavy situation. 6 cores does great vs 8c. Hell, Zen 3 saw almost no difference between 6c and 8c. It took 7.5 year old Zen+ 2700X vs 2600X for 8c to make a big difference in playability within a generation.

 
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But how am I going to play Blender on that 6-core? /s

If I were budget constrained, I would definitely go for 6-core 3D over 8-core vanilla. Of course I would advise folks looking for longevity to consider 8-core builds, but the reality of a fixed budget is usually at direct odds with the way forum enthusiasts approach PC building advice. In other words, it's easy to recommend the 8-core until your reach the GPU choice and realize you need all the savings you can get from the rest of the system.
 
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coercitiv said:
If I were budget constrained, I would definitely go for 6-core 3D over 8-core vanilla.
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Me too. I would skimp on the GPU a bit to afford the X3D because the slower GPU will be more consistent with X3D than the faster GPU with 8 cores and small cache. Also, AMD's SMT is far superior and able to extract more performance out of those 6 cores. Just look at the gap between SMT and no SMT in the Upscayle benchmark thread.
 
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coercitiv said:
But how am I going to play Blender on that 6-core? /s

If I were budget constrained, I would definitely go for 6-core 3D over 8-core vanilla. Of course I would advise folks looking for longevity to consider 8-core builds, but the reality of a fixed budget is usually at direct odds with the way forum enthusiasts approach PC building advice. In other words, it's easy to recommend the 8-core until your reach the GPU choice and realize you need all the savings you can get from the rest of the system.
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True, but it is much easier to switch out a gpu down the road than to replace the CPU. To me it is an interesting question which is better long term, a 6 core with v-cache or an 8 core without. Clearly, right now the limiting factor is single core performance and latency, so the hex core with v-cache is competitive or wins outright. Perhaps eventually the extra processing power of 8 cores will win out over the benefits of v-cache, who knows?
 
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ondma said:
Perhaps eventually the extra processing power of 8 cores will win out over the benefits of v-cache, who knows?
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Only if the game is specially optimized to not need cache by keeping the working data set small enough to run well on non-X3D CPUs. I doubt big studios will take the time to do that. The extra 4 threads in the 8-core CPU can't do a lot if they keep waiting for data to arrive from RAM, even if the game engine is parallelized to benefit from 16 threads.
 
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ondma said:
Perhaps eventually the extra processing power of 8 cores will win out over the benefits of v-cache, who knows?
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All of the evidence we have for Zen 3 and AM5 to date, indicates the scenario will not happen. It's also of no concern for anyone getting the 6 core for $210. There is nothing near the price worth considering over it for a gaming build.
 
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Actually, microcenter has it for $199, but its OOS, this was from a google search. When I go to the link, no price.
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Question to those familiar with the CO, in Ryzen Master. the I/O Clock, that is different from the Uclcock correct?

What should I/O clock be set at? a ratio of RAM or FCLK?

Or in GDM off it's the half of MEMCLK?
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The Dude in that OP admits to using BIOS 3.15 then on second dead CPU 3.25.

NOT 3.40 the fix for being adjust the SOC voltage.
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They released v 3.50 now, no change log though.

AGESA 1.2.0.3f to 1.2.0.3g
 
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igor_kavinski said:
Intel is begging to please consider the 285K vs. 9950X3D: https://www.techpowerup.com/341351/...ra-arrow-lake-s-how-they-stack-up-against-amd
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If you ever doubted TPU has a conflict of interest when it comes to Intel, check the footnotes. The headline proclaims first party results, the footnotes show they are using TPU testing data for some of the slides. From testing as old as April.

Next look how HAM the TPU staff member is pimping Intel in the article and in the comments section.

"Intel compared the Core Ultra 5 225 with its predecessor, the Core i5-14400, and claimed a geomean of 20% higher gaming performance."
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Really? The new CPU is faster than Alder Lake? What a W!

Comments section is brutal. "Arrow missed the mark, time to move on." That sums it up really well. Gamers drive DIY/retail and it just isn't a compelling choice. I, a gamer, don't care about cinebench or photoshop. Looking at sales charts, it is the predominant sentiment.

The worst talking point the shills have left for retail/DIY is that platform longevity does not matter. Watch how fast they switch sides if Nova Lake supports 3 or 4 generation. It'll be MOAR COREZ!!!1!!1 all over again. The group using that mockingly, is now the group very concerned about core count. 😂

As I posted on another board; Intel admits Arrow is a dud - https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/pr...ut-claims-that-nova-lake-will-fix-everything/
 
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If you ever doubted TPU has a conflict of interest when it comes to Intel, check the footnotes. The headline proclaims first party results, the footnotes show they are using TPU testing data for some of the slides. From testing as old as April.

Next look how HAM the TPU staff member is pimping Intel in the article and in the comments section.



Really? The new CPU is faster than Alder Lake? What a W!

Comments section is brutal. "Arrow missed the mark, time to move on." That sums it up really well. Gamers drive DIY/retail and it just isn't a compelling choice. I, a gamer, don't care about cinebench or photoshop. Looking at sales charts, it is the predominant sentiment.

The worst talking point the shills have left for retail/DIY is that platform longevity does not matter. Watch how fast they switch sides if Nova Lake supports 3 or 4 generation. It'll be MOAR COREZ!!!1!!1 all over again. The group using that mockingly, is now the group very concerned about core count. 😂

As I posted on another board; Intel admits Arrow is a dud - https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/pr...ut-claims-that-nova-lake-will-fix-everything/
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AMD will remain on top for Nova lake/Zen6 generation too for gaming.

These people have no idea how utterly shit Intel’s prior design were. Nothing won’t change the status quo till the end of this decade.

This includes Panther lake, Nova lake, Razor Lake basically until the current P core architecture dies it won’t change and their caches are meh too. What’s the point of having 3 generations of upgrades if they will be crap compared to AMD.


Nothing has changed since Skylake, the “next generation will fix everything” mentality is something I avoid buying from. I want it now and AMD has what Intel will do in 5 years properly NOW.
 
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igor_kavinski said:
285K begging to be euthanized.
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Kinda wondering why they even included a 285k in those benchmarks to begin with? Granted Intel doesn't have a lot in the HEDT space, but surely they could have thrown in a low-end Sapphire Rapids or Emerald Rapids instead of that. The 285k certainly does not look like the CPU you want for OpenVINO or LocalScore.
 
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My Alder Lake work laptop says the opposite. You will not understand how horrible ADL was until you used it in mobile. Hot and load and not very perf per watt friendly.
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I think he means financially. People trust the Intel brand name too much and don't know out of ignorance what a better laptop experience Ryzen gives.
 
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igor_kavinski said:
MURDERBOARDS!!!???

Wow. ASROCK loves free advertising!
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Murderboards, yes. But they're not killing CPUs as much as they're killing reputation.

Friend asked for advice on a new 9800X3D build, he was concerned about mem compatibility and other tidbits. It was late at night so I decided to be brief:
Just don't buy ASRock and you'll be fine.
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