Discussion Ryzen 9000X3D series review thread

[fastandfurious6]

One more gone: https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-...00x3d-user-says-he-regrets-trusting-the-brand

Some of these posts are fake. Gamersnexus got many of these to investigate real cause, what were the results?

 

[igor_kavinski]

I dunno. It seems like AMD wants ASROCK gone or something and letting their mobos kill X3Ds so the ASROCK brand simply dies for Ryzen.

 

[Thunder 57]

I dunno. It seems like AMD wants ASROCK gone or something and letting their mobos kill X3Ds so the ASROCK brand simply dies for Ryzen.

Yup, not long after ASRock decides to help AMD by becoming an AMD GPU AIB partner AMD wants them gone for... reasons?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yup, not long after ASRock decides to help AMD by becoming an AMD GPU AIB partner AMD wants them gone for... reasons?

Maybe they actually begged Lisa and she was like, ok but you need to take a million GPUs from us. And ASROCK was like, hmm...gotta fire some top motherboard and BIOS gurus but then we'll be rolling in AI money!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Trigger warning: If you don't like reading unfavorable content about Intel CPUs, GTFO. This is a vendor thread and I am going to leverage that status to full effect.

Copium denizens get debunked in the latest Hardware Unboxed testing vs the 9800X3D. There is no AMDip, but there is Intelol. If you proclaim it is Intel's Bulldozer moment for gaming, they flip their 💩 But let's look at a few CPU heavy game tests designed to expose a CPU's capabilities. The results are decidedly Bulldozer like beatdowns, and even worse.





Pro CS2 players were appalled at how slow Intel systems were during a sponsored event. And of course the raptor observer systems were suffering crashes. Big OOF!

The one place Arrow shines in gaming vs the 8 core, is shader comp times. Steve said all it does is give you a shorter coffee break LMAO.



I'll conclude with this: Stop comparing arrow to the knee with the X3D CPUs for gaming. It's a 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 world narrative and a really bad look.

 

[Thunder 57]

Trigger warning: If you don't like reading unfavorable content about Intel CPUs, GTFO. This is a vendor thread and I am going to leverage that status to full effect.

Copium denizens get debunked in the latest Hardware Unboxed testing vs the 9800X3D. There is no AMDip, but there is Intelol. If you proclaim it is Intel's Bulldozer moment for gaming, they flip their 💩 But let's look at a few CPU heavy game tests designed to expose a CPU's capabilities. The results are decidedly Bulldozer like beatdowns, and even worse.

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Pro CS2 players were appalled at how slow Intel systems were during a sponsored event. And of course the raptor observer systems were suffering crashes. Big OOF!

The one place Arrow shines in gaming vs the 8 core, is shader comp times. Steve said all it does is give you a shorter coffee break LMAO.

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I'll conclude with this: Stop comparing arrow to the knee with the X3D CPUs for gaming. It's a 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 world narrative and a really bad look.

AMDip was never a thing. Of course anyone with a brain knows that. I'd like to see a 9700X thrown in there just to see how much of that benefit is the cache.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

AMDip was never a thing. Of course anyone with a brain knows that. I'd like to see a 9700X thrown in there just to see how much of that benefit is the cache.

Steve did 4 games for scaling tests a couple months back. I'll give you the geomean, but I dislike it as a metric. Go use the timestamps to see how much advantage the cache can provide in more CPU dependent situations. Ray tracing at 1080 in a Spidey game would have been a better pick than KCD 2.

Spoiler

 

[alcoholbob]

Trigger warning: If you don't like reading unfavorable content about Intel CPUs, GTFO. This is a vendor thread and I am going to leverage that status to full effect.

Copium denizens get debunked in the latest Hardware Unboxed testing vs the 9800X3D. There is no AMDip, but there is Intelol. If you proclaim it is Intel's Bulldozer moment for gaming, they flip their 💩 But let's look at a few CPU heavy game tests designed to expose a CPU's capabilities. The results are decidedly Bulldozer like beatdowns, and even worse.

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Pro CS2 players were appalled at how slow Intel systems were during a sponsored event. And of course the raptor observer systems were suffering crashes. Big OOF!

The one place Arrow shines in gaming vs the 8 core, is shader comp times. Steve said all it does is give you a shorter coffee break LMAO.

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I'll conclude with this: Stop comparing arrow to the knee with the X3D CPUs for gaming. It's a 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 world narrative and a really bad look.

Looking at these graphs makes me question if Nova Lake is even going to reach parity with Raptor Lake with the way Intel is going these days.

 

[Ranulf]

Gotta spend that cash for faster ram, no matter the cpu boys! Checks notes...because shader times are lower!

Nevermind that shader times vary all over the place between games, engines, and whatever the patch did to update the game. Rivals for me on the old 4790k can be 5mins, it can be 30 minutes. Same with Dune Awakening. I tried Arc Raiders last weekend and that took 3 minutes or so for the shaders on first load.

 

[ondma]

Trigger warning: If you don't like reading unfavorable content about Intel CPUs, GTFO. This is a vendor thread and I am going to leverage that status to full effect.

Copium denizens get debunked in the latest Hardware Unboxed testing vs the 9800X3D. There is no AMDip, but there is Intelol. If you proclaim it is Intel's Bulldozer moment for gaming, they flip their 💩 But let's look at a few CPU heavy game tests designed to expose a CPU's capabilities. The results are decidedly Bulldozer like beatdowns, and even worse.

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Pro CS2 players were appalled at how slow Intel systems were during a sponsored event. And of course the raptor observer systems were suffering crashes. Big OOF!

The one place Arrow shines in gaming vs the 8 core, is shader comp times. Steve said all it does is give you a shorter coffee break LMAO.

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I'll conclude with this: Stop comparing arrow to the knee with the X3D CPUs for gaming. It's a 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 world narrative and a really bad look.

Obviously, the 9800 x3D is definitely superior to Arrow Lake. But to be fair, these are games that specifically perform exceptionally well on x3D processors. In Tech Spot's 45 game average, the 9800x3D performed better by 25%. A very strong margin, but Bulldozer levels of bad? I dont think so.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Obviously, the 9800 x3D is definitely superior to Arrow Lake. But to be fair, these are games that specifically perform exceptionally well on x3D processors. In Tech Spot's 45 game average, the 9800x3D performed better by 25%. A very strong margin, but Bulldozer levels of bad? I dont think so.

I know so.

For starters: there were no 30 or 40 game shootouts in 2011. Not even close. Most were testing 2-5 games max, and relying heavily on synthetic benchmarks. Also, geomean is a poor metric. Look at the list of games at launch and it's a blood bath. And don't forget they had to use the old version of Windows for Arrow because it was nerfed on 24H2



Now, here is the 8150 at launch from some of the sites I could get charts from. Anandtech is only available as an archive download i.e. not happening. HardOCP and KitGuru I could not find, though I did not try the time machine. Someone feel free to do the legwork for us. The worst beating in a single game was approx. 33%. among games tests from 8 sites. There are 12 games on HUB's list with bigger margins. If you add a couple more reviews from back then, you still won't get anywhere near a 25% geomean. Bulldozer even wins some games. Arrow Lake is worse than Bulldozer vs the competition it launched against in gaming.

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[ondma]

The problem is that Intel doesn't have an answer for the v-cache cpus, not that Arrow Lake is a terrible cpu overall. Arrow Lake is very competitive, and in some cases superior to Zen 5 in productivity. As far as I could find, it is also within a few percent of vanilla Zen 5 in gaming. So by your metric, is vanilla Zen 5 a "Bulldozer" equivalent also?

 

[Markfw]

The problem is that Intel doesn't have an answer for the v-cache cpus, not that Arrow Lake is a terrible cpu overall. Arrow Lake is very competitive, and in some cases superior to Zen 5 in productivity. As far as I could find, it is also within a few percent of vanilla Zen 5 in gaming. So by your metric, is vanilla Zen 5 a "Bulldozer" equivalent also?

First, using the word "bulldozer" and Zen 5 in the same sentence is insulting and trollish. Also to say the are competitive in production is a maybe, except for avx-512 apps. I run those a lot and there is no comparison in performance. In gaming for the vanilla Zen 5 I will let @DAPUNISHER answer.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The problem is that Intel doesn't have an answer for the v-cache cpus, not that Arrow Lake is a terrible cpu overall. Arrow Lake is very competitive, and in some cases superior to Zen 5 in productivity.

I explicitly issued a trigger warning, but that did not stop you. Instead; you come in here violating the rules by shaking your pom poms for Intel in an AMD thread. Making the assertion that Arrow is not as bad as Bulldozer based on what? Feels? I provide 8 different launch reviews showing BD was more competitive than arrow for gaming. Instead of a TIL or other acknowledgement, your response was to ignore all of that and move the goalpost to productivity. When I was explicit about gaming, repeatedly. You know, the topic that dominates retail/DIY, a focus of message boards like this.

Please, just stop.

As far as I could find, it is also within a few percent of vanilla Zen 5 in gaming. So by your metric, is vanilla Zen 5 a "Bulldozer" equivalent also?

WTF is this mental gymnastics nonsense? Vanilla Zen 5 is just the rest of the current generations SKU stack. You cannot separate the 3D from it no matter how much you want to. They are the same generation of CPUs for flying spaghetti monster's sake. If the 3D did not exist, logically, Arrow would not be getting starched worse than BD did in gaming. Thus, the comparison would have never been made.

But that's not reality. The reality is AMD's current flagship gaming CPUs performance vs Intel's. And it's a worse than Bulldozer showing for Intel.

First, using the word "bulldozer" and Zen 5 in the same sentence is insulting and trollish.

It was trolling from the moment he started defending Intel in an AMD thread. Defending the indefensible is a bad time. Arrow can't even beat raptor for gaming. Another trait it shares with BD; regressions vs the previous gen.

Bulldozer's launch was bad. I surmise that its performance initially, became conflated with the performance comparisons throughout FX's lifespan, due to how long FX was all AMD had on offer. By the time Zen showed up, FX had been getting bodied by every generation through 7th. Those numbers were brutal. However, none of that changes how bad arrow is for gaming vs the current competition. It really is worse than BD was at launch. Thank the FSM Intel won't be stuck with arrow anywhere near that long. No one will be quicker to shovel dirt on it, than Intel will be.

 

[poke01]

i think the most important takeaway is that gaming workloads are very different and IPC advantages are negated by superior cache, low latency in x3D.

Also I set my X3D to -25 all core and temps do not go above 65-66 degrees when gaming or even during a Cinebench 2024 test. PPT is locked at 100-103 watts. Very happy I don’t think I’ve seen a cpu this good ever, ( well apart from my M4 but that’s not made for gaming).


Even vanilla zen 5 is good, you gotta remember that’s made for server workloads first. It’s not a client focused chip

 

[adroc_thurston]

not that Arrow Lake is a terrible cpu overall.

It is.

Arrow Lake is very competitive, and in some cases superior to Zen 5 in productivity

It's a node ahead.
Come on.

As far as I could find, it is also within a few percent of vanilla Zen 5 in gaming.

While also being on N3.

i think the most important takeaway is that gaming workloads are very different and IPC advantages are negated by superior cache, low latency in x3D.

Intel doesn't really have an IPC advantage.

 

[Ranulf]

By the time Zen showed up, FX had been getting bodied by every generation through 7th. Those numbers were brutal. However, none of that changes how bad arrow is for gaming vs the current competition.

Must resist urge to go fx fanatic mode...

and yet who won out in the core/thread wars by 2018? It sure wasn't those quad core i5 chips when playing certain games more than 10 minutes!

Anyway, I do get a chuckle out of how many people bring up bulldozer/fx these days. Often while ignoring current cpu power usage trends.

 

[Joe NYC]

Somebody posted on Twitter a list of top 12 selling CPUs at a leading Czech Republic retailer, and it looks almost the same as MindFactory, MicroCenter, Amazon US.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Must resist urge to go fx fanatic mode...

and yet who won out in the core/thread wars by 2018? It sure wasn't those quad core i5 chips when playing certain games more than 10 minutes!

Anyway, I do get a chuckle out of how many people bring up bulldozer/fx these days. Often while ignoring current cpu power usage trends.

You are preaching to the choir. I made a thread about it back in early 2020. I think I should have edited the OP as I ended up buying a new old stock 8350 from Larry and testing it myself. It aged better than the i5s and i3s it was priced against. I bought my OG 8350 when it cost less than a locked i3.

All of the talking points have switched sides. Back in the early to mid 2010s when someone would ask about building FX because it was dirt cheap, the replies would be - Buy the i3 or i5. FX needed overclocking, an expensive board, and aftermarket cooling to even reach its limited potential. You could throw the i3 in a cheap board, and not have to worry about overclocking while using the stock cooler. It had an upgrade path to i7. Where as if you bought the FX 8350, you had no realistic upgrade path.

Feel free to revive the thread if you want to rant on the topic -

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ime-to-talk-about-it-because-reasons.2581021/


On topic: Yes indeed, the 8 core 3Ds have been dominating sales for a good while now. It speaks volumes that a CPU with an ASP as high as the 9800X3D can consistently be the top seller.

 

[Thunder 57]

Somebody posted on Twitter a list of top 12 selling CPUs at a leading Czech Republic retailer, and it looks almost the same as MindFactory, MicroCenter, Amazon US.

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Too bad the cut off the prices on the last line, I was wondering if they get the sweet deal on the 265k. What is that though, a whopping 48 reviews?

 

[Joe NYC]

Too bad the cut off the prices on the last line, I was wondering if they get the sweet deal on the 265k. What is that though, a whopping 48 reviews?

I just cut and pasted the pic from Twitter, did not take it myself.

 

[Thunder 57]

I just cut and pasted the pic from Twitter, did not take it myself.

I wasn't trying to suggest it was you not that it really matters. Whoever took the screenshot was trying to point out something else anyway.