Review Ryzen 7 9700X Reviews

[B-Riz]

I asked my son if he's like 10% extra gaming performance. He was all "nah dad, I'm busy playing games and this is fast enough". He's using the rig in my signature below, so touché son.

LOL, say it's 20% and Windows auto updates anyway 😂

I am playing on the 7800X3D 23H2 after the patch, .1% mins are even better right now! 🤣

This is surreal, I can have background stuff open now and it does not phase PUBG; it is a half baked mess most of the time too! ╰（‵□′）╯

 

[coercitiv]

I asked my son if he's like 10% extra gaming performance. He was all "nah dad, I'm busy playing games and this is fast enough". He's using the rig in my signature below, so touché son.

That's not really how it works though. When you bought that system in your sig, did you make your CPU purchase decision based on 10%+ extra gaming performance?

 

[Ranulf]

AMD to provide patch for ccd latencies.

AMD To Provide Patch That Improves Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" Inter-Core & Chiplet Latency

AMD is reportedly working on a new BIOS patch that will help improve inter-core latency on Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" Desktop CPUs.

wccftech.com

 

[DAPUNISHER]

AMD to provide patch for ccd latencies.

AMD To Provide Patch That Improves Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" Inter-Core & Chiplet Latency

AMD is reportedly working on a new BIOS patch that will help improve inter-core latency on Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" Desktop CPUs.

wccftech.com

Hopefully this provides some performance separation in gaming with Zen 4, finally. I don't know enough about the topic to have a good clue, but it certainly should not hurt?

 

[blckgrffn]

Hopefully this provides some performance separation in gaming with Zen 4, finally. I don't know enough about the topic to have a good clue, but it certainly should not hurt?

Had a minor discussion with the client who was pointing out at MC that 7950x3D bundle was only $120 more than the 7800x3D bundle we were buying. Sure, but what are you doing?

Gaming.

Well, here's the thing, those extra CPUs don't seem to help that at all, and it makes it all a little more complicated and sometimes even worse. We could spend $120 more on a GPU and get something marginally better.

In the end, we just kept the 7800x3D and 7900XT as it was.

It's not like a 7800x3D is a all purpose slouch, anyway. It seems like some specific use cases are needed to get a multi ccd chip, especially with the 3D cache.

 

[positivedoppler]

It feels like AMD released Zen 5 for the review community to beta test and investigate bugs. Win 11 update, Bios update, increasing power limit..

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It feels like AMD released Zen 5 for the review community to beta test and investigate bugs. Win 11 update, Bios update, increasing power limit..

It certainly does seem that way. I find myself agreeing with the members here saying their focus isn't on PC gaming. This launch supports the assertions.

Hardwareluxx and KitGuru have also seen performance improvements with the windows update, which is great. It's weird to me people calling Zen 5 a flop. So far generationally for gaming, okay fair enough. But this new performance uplift is a case of a rising tide lifting all boats. Well, back to Zen 3 anyways. It is going to make benchmark charts the most interesting they have been in ages. Zen 5 and windows have sh** mixed everything but good!

 

[In2Photos]

It will be really interesting to see what the 9000X3D chips have to offer for gaming. If there is a decent improvement over 7000X3D then it seems there is just a separation of chips. You will have chips for office/productivity focus and chips for gaming focus. Of course each one can do both, but one excels at a particular task and that's your focus you would opt for that chip over the other. This would really be the first time we would see something like that. I don't know, maybe I'm reaching a bit.

At least AMD is addressing the concerns and doing so in a timely manner, just like they did with the 7800X3D SOC voltage issue. Is it right to release something that still needs work? No I don't think so. Thankfully they aren't telling the consumer to just deal with it.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

If you have not seen the posts by @KompuKare in the speculation thread he has some great numbers to share

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ranite-ridge-ryzen-9000.2607350/post-41286215

Zen 5 looking good, but the 5800X3D proves once again, it's the GOAT. +17% average and +15% min. Absolutely bonkers stuff. It's the 1869 Chateau Lafite Rothschild of CPUs. 🍷

 

[gdansk]

If you have not seen the posts by @KompuKare in the speculation thread he has some great numbers to share

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ranite-ridge-ryzen-9000.2607350/post-41286215

Zen 5 looking good, but the 5800X3D proves once again, it's the GOAT. +17% average and +15% min. Absolutely bonkers stuff. It's the 1869 Chateau Lafite Rothschild of CPUs. 🍷

Is it? In that specific comparison the 7800X3D is 40% faster. For a chip that launched only a year later. That does not seem like greatest of all time. More like greatest of AM4, which is nice, but a different accolade.

And it was doing poorly in the before results. Around launch the 5800X3D and 7600X were considered about equal in gaming performance but here it is still 10% faster than the 5800X3D.

 

[blckgrffn]

If you have not seen the posts by @KompuKare in the speculation thread he has some great numbers to share

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ranite-ridge-ryzen-9000.2607350/post-41286215

Zen 5 looking good, but the 5800X3D proves once again, it's the GOAT. +17% average and +15% min. Absolutely bonkers stuff. It's the 1869 Chateau Lafite Rothschild of CPUs. 🍷

Holy S.

Well, my 5800x3D is probably going to last as long as my 3930K did. I need to figure out when that was and start the clock.

EDIT:

(mostly for my own reference/enjoyment)

3930K rig ran July 2013-March 2020. Most of its life with a 290X and clocked up to 4.2 ghz. Picked up the 3930k on the forums here and X79 GB UP4 board new at MC. At $250, it was the most expensive mobo I had ever bought and its still rocking to this day. I sold the whole rig a friend of my sons for $100 and he's so happy with it. Started with a 40GB Intel SSD boot drive (Windows only, yikes) and 7950 Crossfire. lol. Finally stepped up at just the right time to 5700XT before it all went nuts, but minimum frames still were bad.

Lots of great members chimed in on my copium thread when I was trying to hold off upgrading, thanks then and now

Question - 3930k @ 4.2Ghz - Bottleneck? Upgrade or hold out?

Hey All - I've been rocking a 3930k since sometime in early 2013, spent a about $500 between the CPU and motherboard back then and it has treated me well. I've been dropping hours into Borderlands 3 and also dropping some serious frames... (Wait, I should see if this a Borderlands 3 issue...

forums.anandtech.com

3600 from March 2020 to May 2022. (This was a massive upgrade for the money, snagged right as Covid made it weird. Stood in a line that wrapped around the inside of MC with spacing, dropped $250 for the CPU and B450 Auros board. What a time.)

Then in May 2022 I picked up the 5800x3D. So... late 2028 is the goal? Let's see how I do

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Is it?

To me, yes.

In that specific comparison the 7800X3D is 40% faster. For a chip that launched only a year later. That does not seem like greatest of all time. More like greatest of AM4, which is nice, but a different accolade.

AM4 and Zen 3 3D are the combo that makes it the GOAT. Again IMO. AM5 is unlikely to be consider with such fondness and respect 10yrs from now. If somehow Zen 5 can improve significantly over Zen 4 I will reconsider my POV.

EDIT: I will add that saying they released a year a part made me chuckle. Sure they did, but one you can drop in a 7yr old board.

And it was doing poorly in the before category. Around launch the 5800X3D and 7600X were considered about equal in gaming performance but here it is 10% faster than the 5800X3D.

Games selection dictates if it supports the above statements or refutes them.

 

[gdansk]

Games selection dictates if it supports the above statements or refutes them.

It does but for anyone impressed by the 17% uplift from the patch note that the 7600X was 22% faster before the patch.

Whatever was wrong hurt the 5800X3D more and the patch only restores balance to the world. You're not getting free performance, you're getting back what existed when you bought the chip and that Microsoft accidentally broke in the interim.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It does but for anyone impressed by the 17% uplift from the patch note that the 7600X was 22% faster before the patch. Seems that whatever was wrong simply hurting it more and the patch only restores balance to the world.

Let me try this angle and see if it makes sense to you. Flight and racing sims among some others, really like the big cache. Other games like some combo of the DDR5 bandwidth, single thread and clockspeed the 7600X gets. Select more games that favor the 3D and fewer that favor Zen 4 the numbers change. My point is, it's about the games being played. Some genres of games are under represented in most reviewers suites. Flight and racing sims have hardcore followings so they are relevant but few are ever tested, and certainly not consistently. Those gamers have to test and share with each other because reviewers pay so little attention to them. Despite their being millions that play these titles.

I think you and I are not using the same criteria for GOAT either. Generational performance increase are expected. Especially when a new DDR standard accompanies it. My criteria includes whom the CPU benefits. The 7800X3D will not be the fastest gaming CPU released for AM5. It will not be noteworthy in a decade. The 5800X3D however, is the crowning achievement of the best platform ever released. The uplift it provides to owners of OG Zen is ridiculous. The socket launched against 7th gen Intel. Even if we allow for 8th and 9th gen as the contemporaries, it absolutely merks them. The 7800X3D will never have that kind of resume. Those are the reasons I think it isn't even in the conversation for GOAT with its Zen 3 older bro.

 

[In2Photos]

Is it? In that specific comparison the 7800X3D is 40% faster. For a chip that launched only a year later. That does not seem like greatest of all time. More like greatest of AM4, which is nice, but a different accolade.

And it was doing poorly in the before results. Around launch the 5800X3D and 7600X were considered about equal in gaming performance but here it is still 10% faster than the 5800X3D.

The 5800X3D was the first of its kind though so it gets extra brownie points!

 

[Markfw]

All these patches I keep hearing about are all for windows. No wonder so many use Linux, its always been faster than windows, and now we know why.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The 5800X3D was the first of its kind though so it gets extra brownie points!

Technically it was a 5950X3D.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

All these patches I keep hearing about are all for windows. No wonder so many use Linux, its always been faster than windows, and now we know why.

Thanks to Valve, Linux gaming has massively improved the last couple of years too. I am confident 11 will be the last MS OS I have to use for my gaming.

Looking forward to more Zen 5 retesting on 11.

@gdansk

Here is a good example. With GN's game suite and testing methodology, the 5800X3D is clearly superior to the 7600X. It slaps it around in a couple of games and never loses by much. Vid will start with first bench. Skim through and check his charts -

I am interested to see how much the update changes the dynamic between them in GN's testing. AM5 is looking good.

 

[moinmoin]

It feels like AMD released Zen 5 for the review community to beta test and investigate bugs. Win 11 update, Bios update, increasing power limit..

AMD released Zen 5 to bait external people who care about platform performance to finally scrutinize Windows which usually doesn't have that luxury.

 

[gdansk]

Thanks to Valve, Linux gaming has massively improved the last couple of years too. I am confident 11 will be the last MS OS I have to use for my gaming.

Looking forward to more Zen 5 retesting on 11.

@gdansk

Here is a good example. With GN's game suite and testing methodology, the 5800X3D is clearly superior to the 7600X. It slaps it around in a couple of games and never loses by much. Vid will start with first bench. Skim through and check his charts -

I am interested to see how much the update changes the dynamic between them in GN's testing. AM5 is looking good.

It won't change the dynamic between AM4 and AM5. You're ignoring the reason 5800X3D performance increased 17% in this test. It is only because it was abnormally low before. It isn't typical for a 7600X to be 22% ahead of the 5800X3D.

Stop extrapolating from percentage increases while ignoring that the 'before' results are lower than expected for the 5800X3D in particular. So much so that the 7600X remains 10% ahead after the patch. Again, kinda odd.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Stop

No

 

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[AdamK47]

Had a minor discussion with the client who was pointing out at MC that 7950x3D bundle was only $120 more than the 7800x3D bundle we were buying. Sure, but what are you doing?

Gaming.

Well, here's the thing, those extra CPUs don't seem to help that at all, and it makes it all a little more complicated and sometimes even worse. We could spend $120 more on a GPU and get something marginally better.

In the end, we just kept the 7800x3D and 7900XT as it was.

It's not like a 7800x3D is a all purpose slouch, anyway. It seems like some specific use cases are needed to get a multi ccd chip, especially with the 3D cache.

I'd take the 7950X3D over the 7800X3D since it has a better binned vcache CCD. +200MHz. Only a small increase over the 7800X3D, but an increase none the less. It's a small amount of money over the 7800X3D. I keep the HF CCD disabled on mine which allows me to not have to install the 3D vcache optimization driver or deal with the XBox overlay. If ever the need arises, I can also go into the BIOS and enable the HF CCD (which has been never thus far).

 

[GaiaHunter]

The 5800x3D is barely 2 years old.
The 7800x3D was released 1 year later.

And Zen-Zen3 was mostly fighting Skylake refreshes, which was a 2015 release.

It is a hare and tortoise story that can be spinned many ways.

 

[inf64]

Interesting results, although the tests were done without the new patches applied.