Review Ryzen 7 9700X Reviews

[Rigg]

I really wish there were more CPU's in HUB's test data. The video leaves me with more questions than answers. I'm interested to see how this affects not only Intel, but also Zen 3 and Zen 4 X3D. I'd also like to see some non gaming application data as well.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I really wish there were more CPU's in HUB's test data. The video leaves me with more questions than answers. I'm interested to see how this affects not only Intel, but also Zen 3 and Zen 4 X3D. I'd also like to see some non gaming application data as well.

I am testing Callisto, Far Cry 6, and Gears 5 now. I'll install the 24H2 update when I am done and see what I get. I am testing 1080 low in gears and far cry 6. Callisto I tested a bunch of settings. I'll do max on both other games when low is finished. I'll have SS comparisons before and after to share. 5600X3D + RX 7800XT is the first testbed since I want to see if Zen 3 3D sees some boost. I am also on the insider build before 24H2 at the moment. I was getting an error on downloading the new ISO until I updated to it.

I have seen other users say they can't replicate Steve's results, not even close. A couple say there was a boost but not as big. I wonder if fresh install, drivers, or some other factor are at play here too?

 

[moinmoin]

Windows doesn't have the luxury of being scrutinized by hundreds, if not thousands, of external people who care about some platform performance and stability.

Lol, are you kidding me? Those are crocodile tears at their finest. Microsoft is only like the company with the biggest market value out there. They have only like around 221,000 employees as of 2023. Windows is still only like the dominating OS on consumer computers in the world (for those people not counting mobile phones as computers anyway). Poor poor Windows didn't get a big enough chunk of those internal employees scrutinizing the company's single most successful software product, and external people don't readily jump in doing that job for free for a commercial closed source product, boohoo.

Microsoft's shameful handling of Windows by using it purely as a trojan horse for whatever other products and services of the day they want to shove into their customers' face is fully their own fault, no two ways about that.

 

[Hitman928]

I am testing Callisto, Far Cry 6, and Gears 5 now. I'll install the 24H2 update when I am done and see what I get. I am testing 1080 low in gears and far cry 6. Callisto I tested a bunch of settings. I'll do max on both other games when low is finished. I'll have SS comparisons before and after to share. 5600X3D + RX 7800XT is the first testbed since I want to see if Zen 3 3D sees some boost. I am also on the insider build before 24H2 at the moment. I was getting an error on downloading the new ISO until I updated to it.

I have seen other users say they can't replicate Steve's results, not even close. A couple say there was a boost but not as big. I wonder if fresh install, drivers, or some other factor are at play here too?

Are those other people testing at 1080p with a 4090? If not, they may just be running into a GPU limit.

 

[Josh128]

I am testing Callisto, Far Cry 6, and Gears 5 now. I'll install the 24H2 update when I am done and see what I get. I am testing 1080 low in gears and far cry 6. Callisto I tested a bunch of settings. I'll do max on both other games when low is finished. I'll have SS comparisons before and after to share. 5600X3D + RX 7800XT is the first testbed since I want to see if Zen 3 3D sees some boost. I am also on the insider build before 24H2 at the moment. I was getting an error on downloading the new ISO until I updated to it.

I have seen other users say they can't replicate Steve's results, not even close. A couple say there was a boost but not as big. I wonder if fresh install, drivers, or some other factor are at play here too?

Can you also do a quick Geekbench 6 run before the update, so we can see any changes to the score and subtests that are most affected?

 

[WelshBloke]

Not sure I understand your post, if it is sarcasm or what, but the improvement was similar for Zen 4 and Zen 5, so Zen 4 still seems the better value. Compared to Zen 4, Zen 5 still seems a dud for gaming. It will be interesting to see if the new windows build increases application performance, where Zen 5 seems to shine (relatively).

All I've seen is that there is a performance improvement on Zen5 of up to 30% in certain circumstances and that there may be improvements to Zen4 and Zen3 as well but no figures have been given for that. There's no guarantee that the older CPUs will get the same improvements.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens though!

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Speaking of reviews, I noticed suspicious reviews appearing on Amazon's listings for Zen 5. This looks like a paid/fake review account to me. AMD marketing so desperate as to resort to this? Note how the reviews appeared on launch day when the listings went live.

Amazon Sign-In

Edit: Screenshots for those who won't/can't login to view.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Can you also do a quick Geekbench 6 run before the update, so we can see any changes to the score and subtests that are most affected?

Sorry bro, did not see this until after updating to 24H2.

There is a reason I don't get paid to test this stuff, I am terrible at it. Callisto bench kept hitting 189-192fps regardless of settings at 1080. I even enabled RT reflections on ultra, I could see they were active, but same fps. Exited game restarted in between runs no change. It's like it was frame capped, but I didn't put one in. This was both versions of windows.

Far Cry 6 canned bench was margin of error on both versions. Steve was in game on AM5 so my results mean little.

Gears 5 bench I got an 8% uplift -

Spoiler

EDIT: Another crazy thing about Callisto (I'd never played it and this is the first time I installed it) every time I tested on ultra it would recommend FSR 2 performance. Every time I tested at low, it would recommend ultra settings. I can't even. I am going to nuke it and reinstall, something has to be nerfed.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I moved the install for Callisto from an external nvme to internal. It scored a little better. The stupid game; RT reflections on high makes it custom instead of ultra.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Ran it on 232H with 7800X3D + 7900XTX

1080 ultra rt reflections



4K ultra rt reflections



I'll add 24H2 here later.

 

[PJVol]

EDIT: Another crazy thing about Callisto (I'd never played it and this is the first time I installed it) every time I tested on ultra it would recommend FSR 2 performance. Every time I tested at low, it would recommend ultra settings. I can't even. I am going to nuke it and reinstall, something has to be nerfed.

Basically, you tell the game to search for the optimal settings (as it thinks), and your own settings are simply ignored (if you click on "Run benchmark"), hence the same results.
You have to choose "Test performance" instead. Just in case, here are my results on high, ultra and maxed-out (FSR2 off, RT max).

Spoiler: 1080p (Win10 Pro 22H2 / 5800X3D / 6800XT)

 

[DavidC1]

Microsoft's shameful handling of Windows by using it purely as a trojan horse for whatever other products and services of the day they want to shove into their customers' face is fully their own fault, no two ways about that.

One thing the "Wintel" team has in common with internal strife. So it could be both malice and stupidity.

Look at the disjointed Settings vs Control Panel issue or Mobile vs Desktop. They want to kill an established base to try to squeeze out few % profits on a very different market.

Someone in Microsoft must be aware parts of the world already doesn't care about PCs at all. Many popular mobile apps have desktop apps but they desktop ones are sometimes nearly useless. In that case, why not focus on keeping the current users happy?

And speaking of AMD, along with the degradation issue Raptorlake has will further penetrate the 80/20 client share bubble.

Speaking of reviews, I noticed suspicious reviews appearing on Amazon's listings for Zen 5. This looks like a paid/fake review account to me. AMD marketing so desperate as to resort to this? Note how the reviews appeared on launch day when the listings went live.

LOL! This isn't even a surprise. You know many, many companies use same shady marketing tactics right? Like saying "30% on sale" on the day of the release of the product? They do that both online and with brick and mortar stores.

Microsoft's shameful handling of Windows by using it purely as a trojan horse for whatever other products and services of the day they want to shove into their customers' face is fully their own fault, no two ways about that.

It sometimes is a literal Trojan Horse with intrusive updates, taking away control from users and privacy disaster called Recall.

 

[ondma]

All I've seen is that there is a performance improvement on Zen5 of up to 30% in certain circumstances and that there may be improvements to Zen4 and Zen3 as well but no figures have been given for that. There's no guarantee that the older CPUs will get the same improvements.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens though!

Look at the early part of the video in post 204. The comparison of the change of Zen 5 vs Zen 4 is literally the point of the first 15 minutes of the video.

 

[Nothingness]

Lol, are you kidding me? Those are crocodile tears at their finest. Microsoft is only like the company with the biggest market value out there. They have only like around 221,000 employees as of 2023. Windows is still only like the dominating OS on consumer computers in the world (for those people not counting mobile phones as computers anyway). Poor poor Windows didn't get a big enough chunk of those internal employees scrutinizing the company's single most successful software product, and external people don't readily jump in doing that job for free for a commercial closed source product, boohoo.

Microsoft's shameful handling of Windows by using it purely as a trojan horse for whatever other products and services of the day they want to shove into their customers' face is fully their own fault, no two ways about that.

That still doesn't prove MS deliberately screwed AMD.

And your rant (with which I agree, though you're, deliberately or not, making it sound as if I was trying to find excuses to MS) misses the main point I was making: "external people" looking at the code and raising concerns.

End of discussion, as @DAPUNISHER wrote, we're off topic, and all that matters is that Zen is getting unleashed at last

 

[Heartbreaker]

That still doesn't prove MS deliberately screwed AMD.

Yes.

Microsoft will work closely and in good faith with both AMD and Intel to keep the system secure and performant as possible.

Any issues are simply going to be incompetence of one or more of the parties involved.

People ranting about bias, are only revealing their own.

 

[B-Riz]

Any way you can run Geekbench 6 with before and after the new 24H2 update?

I will clone / backup my 24H2 and try a 23H2 soon (maybe today), I forgot to clone the previous 23H2 install, was too excited to try 24H2 😁

 

[B-Riz]

RE: to everyone about conspiracies.

I read this here, reddit or a youtube comment: recalling from memory so kind of disjointed.

Windows has been "broken" like this since the switch from 1803 to 1905; there was a combo punch of Zen2 / Zen3 "preferred cores" AND THEN Intel introducing big.Little physical architectures.

Basically, try 1803 LTS to 1905 and 1803 LTS performs far better.

The Windows kernel was never setup / ready for these big changes from AMD and Intel.

Then Windows 11 is just a coat of paint on Windows 10.

It has taken this long to "fix" the kernel, but then consumer AI smoke and mirrors blew up and I would guess messed up rolling out Win 11 24H2.

So it really was both Intel's and AMD's "fault", hardware truly did outpace software and we have a front row seat to Youtube for it

 

[B-Riz]

Yes.

Microsoft will work closely and in good faith with both AMD and Intel to keep the system secure and performant as possible.

Any issues are simply going to be incompetence of one or more of the parties involved.

People ranting about bias, are only revealing their own.

100% true and it would be nice if more people took a step back and reflect how much and how fast consumer CPU's have changed (and gotten maybe better) since AMD dropped Zen1 in 2017.

It is now commonplace to have previous years server level hardware and performance in a commonplace DIY off the shelf personal computer! 😲

 

[WelshBloke]

RE: to everyone about conspiracies.

I read this here, reddit or a youtube comment: recalling from memory so kind of disjointed.

Windows has been "broken" like this since the switch from 1803 to 1905; there was a combo punch of Zen2 / Zen3 "preferred cores" AND THEN Intel introducing big.Little physical architectures.

Basically, try 1803 LTS to 1905 and 1803 LTS performs far better.

The Windows kernel was never setup / ready for these big changes from AMD and Intel.

Then Windows 11 is just a coat of paint on Windows 10.

It has taken this long to "fix" the kernel, but then consumer AI smoke and mirrors blew up and I would guess messed up rolling out Win 11 24H2.

So it really was both Intel's and AMD's "fault", hardware truly did outpace software and we have a front row seat to Youtube for it

It's like people think that there's a small team in charge of the windows OS that understands exactly how everything works in it.

Microsoft really doesn't understand how windows works. There's decades of code, written by people who have left Microsoft years ago (or died) and left little documentation. It's at a point where people are too afraid to poke about too much in case they break something they can't fix!
Fixing Windows is more like archeology where you slowly have to dig through decades of forgotten strata of code and try to work out how it all fits together before you can start to fix it.

 

[B-Riz]

It's like people think that there's a small team in charge of the windows OS that understands exactly how everything works in it.

Microsoft really doesn't understand how windows works. There's decades of code, written by people who have left Microsoft years ago (or died) and left little documentation. It's at a point where people are too afraid to poke about too much in case they break something they can't fix!
Fixing Windows is more like archeology where you slowly have to dig through decades of forgotten strata of code and try to work out how it all fits together before you can start to fix it.

Heck yeah, the fact that Windows kernel is closed source and considered a dang state secret because MS is in all levels of top secret government computing is also not considered by people.

Linux is cool because it will support new and better hardware relatively quickly, and have best practice / standard testing that the crowd can check and verify.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I tested my 7800X3D+7900XTX

Margin of error in Cyberpunk, 6% uplift in Gears bench 1080 low. Geekbench 6 is no change

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/7516313

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/7518199

I tried VBS off, no real improvements in any of the tests.

Maybe 24H2 gets rid of the Nvidia driver overhead? Or 3D CPUs don't get the boost? If Steve trolled me into spending a couple of hours upgrading and testing for this experience? Then well played you Aussie son of a gun.

 

[gdansk]

I tested my 7800X3D+7900XTX

Margin of error in Cyberpunk, 6% uplift in Gears bench 1080 low. Geekbench 6 is no change

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/7516313

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/7518199

I tried VBS off, no real improvements in any of the tests.

Maybe 24H2 gets rid of the Nvidia driver overhead? Or 3D CPUs don't get the boost? If Steve trolled me into spending a couple of hours upgrading and testing for this experience? Then well played you Aussie son of a gun.

It seems his 23H2 setup was not performing correctly. For most people 24H2 is going to be more of the same.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It seems his 23H2 setup was not performing correctly. For most people 24H2 is going to be more of the same.

I'd have to go look at the build number, but I was using the one that was just before 24H2 on the AM4 system. 23H2 on AM5. I did not replicate his tests as he was in game for everything but gears. I just ran canned benches, nor do I have Phantom Liberty. Perhaps with how CPU heavy 2077 is in crowded areas it makes a big difference? The bench is light on the CPU load. Gears I tried on Ultra and the bench was almost entirely GPU bound for me. On low the average fps kept getting lower until the bench ended. On ultra it kept climbing; the exact opposite effect.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Branch Prediction has been back ported to 23H2, KB5041587, no need to install 24H2

AMD confirms Branch Prediction Optimizations are now available for Windows 11 23H2, boosting gaming performance - VideoCardz.com

Branch Prediction Optimizations were backported to Windows 11 23H2, 24H2 update not necessary AMD confirms that the optimizations are also available for older version of the operating system. As reviews have shown, the upcoming Windows 11 24H2 update, which features Branch Prediction...

videocardz.com

Microsoft backports AMD branch prediction improvement to Windows 11 23H2, update available now — more users will see Ryzen performance improvements

You won't need to wait for 24H2 for the performance bump.

www.tomshardware.com

AMD Branch Prediction Optimization For Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" & Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" CPUs Now Available In Windows 11 23H2

AMD's branch prediction optimizations for Ryzen 9000 & Ryzen 7000 CPUs are now available in Windows 11 23H2 to improve gaming performance.

wccftech.com

 

[Golgatha]

Branch Prediction has been back ported to 23H2, KB5041587, no need to install 24H2

AMD confirms Branch Prediction Optimizations are now available for Windows 11 23H2, boosting gaming performance - VideoCardz.com

Branch Prediction Optimizations were backported to Windows 11 23H2, 24H2 update not necessary AMD confirms that the optimizations are also available for older version of the operating system. As reviews have shown, the upcoming Windows 11 24H2 update, which features Branch Prediction...

videocardz.com

Microsoft backports AMD branch prediction improvement to Windows 11 23H2, update available now — more users will see Ryzen performance improvements

You won't need to wait for 24H2 for the performance bump.

www.tomshardware.com

AMD Branch Prediction Optimization For Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" & Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" CPUs Now Available In Windows 11 23H2

AMD's branch prediction optimizations for Ryzen 9000 & Ryzen 7000 CPUs are now available in Windows 11 23H2 to improve gaming performance.

wccftech.com

I asked my son if he'd like 10% extra gaming performance. He was all "nah dad, I'm busy playing games and this is fast enough". He's using the rig in my signature below, so touché son.