Oooops! I did. Thanks for catching that.You may have posted that in the wrong thread?
Oooops! I did. Thanks for catching that.You may have posted that in the wrong thread?
At pure 720p, 8700K pulls 7% higher FPS, according to TechPowerUp's average. At more realistic gaming resolutions, of course, the gap is narrower - 4% at 1080p and 2% at 1440p via TPU and TechSpot and pretty close (appears on average within 2%) on Anandtech's review. So it would appear that since the boost clock deficit is ~7% and the more CPU-intensive 720p deficit is ~7%, IPC is probably as close to on-par in gaming as could be reasonable deduced from benchmarks. (Granted, the 8700K does it with 40-50% more package power draw under load.)An overclocked 8700k is at least 10% faster in clockspeed than the best possible clockspeed for ryzen (if it can actually reach the advertised clocks). The only way to make up for that is either more cores or better IPC. My only demanding use is gaming, where more that 6 cores is of little if any benefit. So the difference must be made up by IPC. Are you trying to say Ryzen is 10% faster per clock in gaming?? Would it really hurt you that much to admit there are other options than Ryzen depending on use case??
Granted this is off topic in this thread, so I will not comment further.
Nice to see AMD allow the release of these BIOS before November 1st, I didn't think they were releasing til November.For those with golden chips, try the new agesa out. Per CCD/CCX overclocking in bios is available. I've been testing it the last few hours and its definitely wirth a shot. The benefit is you can stop throwing mass volts to overcome a weak CCX.
What qualifies as massive voltages? I have a 3600 that runs @ 4.2hz 24x7. It's very stable @ 1.36v reported in CPU-Z 1.365 in bios. Stock 3600's vcore is always 1.4v and the clocks dance around but never hit 4.2ghz I think that is the reason why people say the Zen 2 chips run hot. AMD throws a high voltage at the chips for stability. I have a 240mm AIO.Nice to see AMD allow the release of these BIOS before November 1st, I didn't think they were releasing til November.
Virtual Larry, that is the price I got my 3600 for on Ebay via Newegg $175. I took the liberty of taking advantage of the 8% in Ebay bucks which added an additional $14-15 off that price last week.That OzTalksHW YT vid about the 3500X versus i5-9400F was pretty instructive, but I kind of figured that it would turn out that way. I find it unfathomable that they're not (currently?) releasing it here in the States, but maybe they feel that they can use it to grow mind / market-share in China, and in the long term, that's a larger market than the US. Just be aware that in some cases, they're going to get under-cut on pricing between the i5-9400F and the Ryzen R5 3600.
Although, as @GunsMadeAmericaFree let me know in another thread, the Ryzen R5 3600 is $175.75 on ebay right now from Newegg after a coupon. Pretty sweet.
You know, we do have a Hot Deals forum here. That deal would definitely qualify. If you're paranoid, post it after you've already put in your order.Virtual Larry, that is the price I got my 3600 for on Ebay via Newegg $175. I took the liberty of taking advantage of the 8% in Ebay bucks which added an additional $14-15 off that price last week.
What qualifies as massive voltages? I have a 3600 that runs @ 4.2hz 24x7. It's very stable @ 1.36v reported in CPU-Z 1.365 in bios. Stock 3600's vcore is always 1.4v and the clocks dance around but never hit 4.2ghz I think that is the reason why people say the Zen 2 chips run hot. AMD throws a high voltage at the chips for stability. I have a 240mm AIO.
I already talked with LordX about offset voltages in another thread. I am happy with my 3600. I have the voltage dialed in @ 1.36v 4200mhz. I removed the boost so it's always 4200mhz. Using standard out of the box settings has the vcore at 1.4v pretty much all the time on CPU-Z when the CPU is 4ghz or higher. It never touches 4.2ghz running standard. I think you are right about the voltages but also a cushion for CPU's making sure they are stable and never crash. I think having water cooling is the way to go with Zen 2 chips. The Noctua people will use their big air coolers. So I would say at least 120mm air coolers are a minimum.AMD has been well known for jacking up the voltages so that more silicon is viable. You can always try under-volting your chip to see what you can get it stable at. @DrMrLordX would be able to help you out more than I can, I don't own Ryzen yet.
I already talked with LordX about offset voltages in another thread. I am happy with my 3600. I have the voltage dialed in @ 1.36v 4200mhz. I removed the boost so it's always 4200mhz. Using standard out of the box settings has the vcore at 1.4v pretty much all the time on CPU-Z when the CPU is 4ghz or higher. It never touches 4.2ghz running standard. I think you are right about the voltages but also a cushion for CPU's making sure they are stable and never crash. I think having water cooling is the way to go with Zen 2 chips. The Noctua people will use their big air coolers. So I would say at least 120mm air coolers are a minimum.
Eventually I will tinker with offset voltages. I am breaking in this CPU and the AR5 paste. It's only been up for 3 or 4 days.
AMD has been well known for jacking up the voltages so that more silicon is viable. You can always try under-volting your chip to see what you can get it stable at. @DrMrLordX would be able to help you out more than I can, I don't own Ryzen yet.
I am referring to stock 3600 settings. If you reset your bios to defaults and watch the AMD stock 3.6 to whatever it boosts to. On mine it barely hit 4.1ghz, usually 4ghz. The vcore is not static and bounces around from high 1.3's to never below 1.4v when playing a game like BF5. I was watching the vcore in CPU-Z and core temp while gaming. I think that is why people say the Zen 2 chips run hot. They don't know why but as one forum member pointed out. AMD delivers CPU's with a high default vcore to cover all the good and bad silicon.Are you referring to the voltages at idle? That voltage w/o amperage doesn't do anything. These aren't Intel chips, just saying. That said I got one CCX up to 4.5ghz and another to 4.4ghz, and the other two are at 4.35ghz with voltage at roughly 1.32v. That's not a lot of voltage.
What qualifies as massive voltages?
I am referring to stock 3600 settings. If you reset your bios to defaults and watch the AMD stock 3.6 to whatever it boosts to. On mine it barely hit 4.1ghz, usually 4ghz. The vcore is not static and bounces around from high 1.3's to never below 1.4v when playing a game like BF5. I was watching the vcore in CPU-Z and core temp while gaming. I think that is why people say the Zen 2 chips run hot. They don't know why but as one forum member pointed out. AMD delivers CPU's with a high default vcore to cover all the good and bad silicon.
I booted 4.3ghz with no issues 1.37v. There were errors running a benchmark but no app crashes and no blue screens.
I am referring to stock 3600 settings. If you reset your bios to defaults and watch the AMD stock 3.6 to whatever it boosts to. On mine it barely hit 4.1ghz, usually 4ghz. The vcore is not static and bounces around from high 1.3's to never below 1.4v when playing a game like BF5. I was watching the vcore in CPU-Z and core temp while gaming. I think that is why people say the Zen 2 chips run hot. They don't know why but as one forum member pointed out. AMD delivers CPU's with a high default vcore to cover all the good and bad silicon.
I booted 4.3ghz with no issues 1.37v. There were errors running a benchmark but no app crashes and no blue screens.
Are you referring to the voltages at idle? That voltage w/o amperage doesn't do anything. These aren't Intel chips, just saying. That said I got one CCX up to 4.5ghz and another to 4.4ghz, and the other two are at 4.35ghz with voltage at roughly 1.32v. That's not a lot of voltage.
AMD puts the voltage to CPUs and GPUs they don't discriminate when it comes to volts and their silicon.
I know that AMD isn't Intel, I try to remind people of that fact almost daily. What I was referring to is the fact that AMD puts the volts to all of their products to make sure that they can use as much silicon possible from a wafer. You got yourself a nice CPU BTW, not as good as Mark's 3900x that he has at 4.1 GHz on 1.1v .
There is a difference between the voltage you set and what is stock. The stock voltage will never hurt the cpu and also the 1.4v+ is misunderstoof. When a load is applied the voltage will immediately scale to the load. Okay, the idea that AMD feeds a ton of voltage is an assumption, not fact. And it has more to do with a misunderstanding of how they use the voltage. The post above covers voltage well too. Hell if ya really wanted to know, AMD has explained this before. Another thing it seems you and the assuming poster is missing is that the voltages are not random. The higher 1.4v+ is single core obviously and w/o a monitoring app that shows individual voltage, you will only see the highest voltage. The other obvious thing that you guys are ignoring is that Zen TDP is ridiculously LOW. How does one correlate "jacking up voltage" with lowest TDP per core ever?
Zen runs hot? Hmm, like Intel's are not obscenely hot in comparison? C'mon now... to say that and ignore the fission reactor in a 9900K? Zen and any chip that is on tiny nodes will be harder to cool because the chips are so dense small. However Zen is easy to cool comparatively because of the chiplets and its soldered properly. It does require good cooling no doubt but it is not hard to cool.
You really need to stop making your assumptions come across as fact.
And no, I DO NOT have a great chip, it's only average. And I'm not pulling that out of my ass.