RX-7 vs Mustang

[MasterAndCommander]

dude your totally wrong...

take a small, light-weight displacement rotary, 4-banger, or 6-banger and spend a hella lot of money for NOS, turbo, supercharger, whatever and yeah, you can beat a stock V-8....

Now take that same money and spend the mods on the bigger block V-8. See who wins the drag races now. I don't care if it's Ford, Chevy, Dodge whatever (I'm a Toyota fanboy by the way) - Big blocks always rule on the drag strip. My friend has modded his 5.0 and it's all still normally aspriated and he gets 345 RWHP and 12's at the track. Yeah there's other factors too like power to weight ratio's, whether you can launch with all that torque, and stuff and I actually like the RX-7 over the mustang, but I guess my point is, when it comes for the most bang for the buck, get a V8.

Originally posted by: whiteboy81[/i

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
I don't condone street racing, but


THERE'S NO REPLACMENT FOR DISPLACMENT! 5.0 V-8 > ROTARY

Yeah...the pure fact of the matter is that you are totally wrong. When you are talking about stock or slightly modified cars, turbos and superchargers can be more than enough to make up for displacement when you figure in weight. The mustang stock would have come with about 225 hp...compared to the possible 255 hp of the rotary engine. I am actually all for big V8's typically, but a 5.0 is definetely not a big V8 and doesn't crank out much in the way of power in this car. If that car was stock with only exhaust...it could make 260 at the most...which would still get beat by the 255 hp and lighter weight. The Mustang guy has a heavily modded car (but I agree no NOS) or the RX7 guy doesn't know how to drive at all. For anyone who thinks driving is not a factor because you are 'on a roll', you gotta be kidding me, it's huge...knowing your cars shiftpoints, it's torque curve, the speed of your shifts, how quickly you dump the clutch...if he did any one of those things wrong it could have easily lost him that race.

Z06 Vette > RX7 > Mustang

(Ford is how do you say it?...The suck)

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: whiteboy81

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
I don't condone street racing, but


THERE'S NO REPLACMENT FOR DISPLACMENT! 5.0 V-8 > ROTARY

Yeah...the pure fact of the matter is that you are totally wrong. When you are talking about stock or slightly modified cars, turbos and superchargers can be more than enough to make up for displacement when you figure in weight. The mustang stock would have come with about 225 hp...compared to the possible 255 hp of the rotary engine. I am actually all for big V8's typically, but a 5.0 is definetely not a big V8 and doesn't crank out much in the way of power in this car. If that car was stock with only exhaust...it could make 260 at the most...which would still get beat by the 255 hp and lighter weight. The Mustang guy has a heavily modded car (but I agree no NOS) or the RX7 guy doesn't know how to drive at all. For anyone who thinks driving is not a factor because you are 'on a roll', you gotta be kidding me, it's huge...knowing your cars shiftpoints, it's torque curve, the speed of your shifts, how quickly you dump the clutch...if he did any one of those things wrong it could have easily lost him that race.

Z06 Vette > RX7 > Mustang

(Ford is how do you say it?...The suck)

A stock new cobra will rip any RX7 unless highly modified a new ass....

 

[KokomoGST]

Actually, I had spent a grand total of <1K on my DSM and walked a couple of catback/intake 5.0s... pissed them off to no end considering they purchased very expensive Steeda or other chromed-up pieces for their car. One guy even gave me the finger after I walked him, lol.

A stock FD has a lot of top end... if it was stock FD versus catback (otherwise stock) 5.0, the FD should have destroyed it from a roll unless there was something severely wrong with the RX7 or the 5.0 was nowhere near stock (gutted, etcetc). Essentially, the 5.0 would have to be able to put down enough power to run an ET of a high 13/low 14. A 5.0 needs around 300bhp for that. I call BS.

 

[notfred]

Who cares whether either car was modified. The fact is that a $3000 Mustang beat a $9000 RX-7 (albeit, not by a hell of a lot). If he had nitrous or whatever, so? He won, isn't that the point? If it's fair to compare a car worth $9000 to a car worth $3000, why isn't it fair to put a $500 nitrous system on the $3000 car?

 

[KokomoGST]

Originally posted by: notfred
Who cares whether either car was modified. The fact is that a $3000 Mustang beat a $9000 RX-7 (albeit, not by a hell of a lot). If he had nitrous or whatever, so? He won, isn't that the point? If it's fair to compare a car worth $9000 to a car worth $3000, why isn't it fair to put a $500 nitrous system on the $3000 car?

Definitely a valid point... but if you're going to go around claiming that all you had was a catback and then claim victory as such, well... then you'd be a liar and a punk for prancing around as such.

If you're going to taunt that you beat a >$$$ car with your POS and $500 in mods, then that's perfectly fine. More power to ya.

 

[warcrow]

I don't and have not raced in years. Its just to darn expensive (especially if you get caught). These days I just treat my RX with nothing but tender love'n care!

WHAT! YOU WANNA RACE, BUDDY!!@#?!

:beer:

 

[VirginiaDonkey]

zoom zoom

 

[slikmunks]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: whiteboy81

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
I don't condone street racing, but


THERE'S NO REPLACMENT FOR DISPLACMENT! 5.0 V-8 > ROTARY

Yeah...the pure fact of the matter is that you are totally wrong. When you are talking about stock or slightly modified cars, turbos and superchargers can be more than enough to make up for displacement when you figure in weight. The mustang stock would have come with about 225 hp...compared to the possible 255 hp of the rotary engine. I am actually all for big V8's typically, but a 5.0 is definetely not a big V8 and doesn't crank out much in the way of power in this car. If that car was stock with only exhaust...it could make 260 at the most...which would still get beat by the 255 hp and lighter weight. The Mustang guy has a heavily modded car (but I agree no NOS) or the RX7 guy doesn't know how to drive at all. For anyone who thinks driving is not a factor because you are 'on a roll', you gotta be kidding me, it's huge...knowing your cars shiftpoints, it's torque curve, the speed of your shifts, how quickly you dump the clutch...if he did any one of those things wrong it could have easily lost him that race.

Z06 Vette > RX7 > Mustang

(Ford is how do you say it?...The suck)

A stock new cobra will rip any RX7 unless highly modified a new ass....

haha, a stock new cobra.... any rx7... so we're talking about a 2004 vs a 1995...? and how modified is "highly modified"....? that leaves a lot to interpretation... so in regards to ur post... hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaahhahahaha (sorry, had to get that out)


same goes for the z06... however i will give mad props to the z06... they are in another league of their own, handle great, have lots of useable power, etc... only beef i have w/ the z06 is the fact that other than the fact that the interior is a piece of sh!t... i sat in the interior and it made me want to puke... a car that can do what that car can do, and that kind of crap interior... ugh....

for the "no replacement for displacement... 5.0 V-8 > ROTARY"... wow, talk about flame bait... well... lay off the crack pipe. first of all, the way you put it, you're wrong. "ROTARY" includes motors such as the cosmo 20b, 13b, 13bt, 13b-rew, all of which have just as much potential if not more than a 5.0. Know just a TINY little bit more about what you're talking about before you open ur trap.

Originally posted by: brigden
I love seeing these guys with those big, loud exhausts on their little four banger imports. It's the equivalent of taping a baseball card to a bike and pretending it's a motorcycle.

wtf does this have to do w/ anything? camaro != 4banger, CL != 4banger, mustang != 4banger, rx7 != 4banger... wtf!????

Originally posted by: Kremlar
Can't say I know what was up, but my stock (actually, has a cat back) '94 RX-7 has beaten every standard f body I've raced on the highway (maybe 3 or 4, looked stock).

be careful, any car can be a beast and has the potential to beat any car, so just be weary

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: MAME
racing cars in general is retarded

So is building a homemade arcade machine. Go crap somewhere else :|

Good vid, I'm glad a 7 owner learned his car is not invincible like most of them seem to think (same with Supra owners :roll: )

As for the Fox, I do think he had something else up his sleeve for a 147k car that pulls on the highway like that. But thats besides the point. Maybe its just a factory freak.

Cool vid

i disagree, most of the rx7 guys i know are not like that. yes, we have pride in our cars, but we don't think we are invincible... hell, we know we're not... but the fact is that they are fast cars, just like the z06, just like the supra, the SS's and a lot of other cars out there... be careful of calling pride of ownership the arrogance that comes w/ the idea of being invincible...

Originally posted by: Ronstang
The ricer isn't too bright and doesn't know much about cars, which is common among ricers, because using trap speeds to judge cars when running from a 45 punch is useless.

Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Typical rice b0i attitude. :roll:

and all of a sudden driving an import == being a ricer now... :roll: should we say driving a domestic == being a stupid redneck or something too? what a great blanket statement.... sheesh.

hahaha, sorry, long post, i know... but i tried to put a little thought into it instead of seeing "rx7", thinking "rice" and posting useless comments... besides... racing on freeways from a roll... anyone can do that... come out to a road track and see where the cars are at...

btw, rotary pride !!

 

[slikmunks]

and to think, that whole post came from searching the forum for warcow to see if he had posted other info or opinions on his fd, hahaha

oh, and there's a condensed version of the story including an interesting PM from the guy who raced forcefed a little ways down this page... http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=301220

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: slikmunks
and to think, that whole post came from searching the forum for warcow to see if he had posted other info or opinions on his fd, hahaha

oh, and there's a condensed version of the story including an interesting PM from the guy who raced forcefed a little ways down this page... http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=301220

:beer:<---->:beer:

 

[MercenaryForHire]

If one more of you keyboard-racer riceboys calls it "NAWZ" I swear I'm going to fly down and beat you to death with a NITROUS OXIDE bottle. A fifteen-pounder. And it will be NX brand.

- M4H

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
If one more of you keyboard-racer riceboys calls it "NAWZ" I swear I'm going to fly down and beat you to death with a NITROUS OXIDE bottle. A fifteen-pounder. And it will be NX brand.

- M4H

Haha! I hear ya!

 

[slikmunks]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
If one more of you keyboard-racer riceboys calls it "NAWZ" I swear I'm going to fly down and beat you to death with a NITROUS OXIDE bottle. A fifteen-pounder. And it will be NX brand.

- M4H

NAWZ = ghey... but what i don't understand is when people jump all over people for saying i have NOS or something along those lines... i guess it's become an industry standard to refer to Nitrous Oxide Systems as NOS (not just the name brand)... like you ask for kleenex and not facial tissue w/ moisturizer... u kno? so imho, NOS = ok... NAWZ = go to sleep, it's past your bedtime.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
If one more of you keyboard-racer riceboys calls it "NAWZ" I swear I'm going to fly down and beat you to death with a NITROUS OXIDE bottle. A fifteen-pounder. And it will be NX brand.

- M4H

I don't think NX makes 15 lb bottles. You'll have to make do with a 10 lb and a 5 lb bottle.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: slikmunks
NAWZ = ghey... but what i don't understand is when people jump all over people for saying i have NOS or something along those lines... i guess it's become an industry standard to refer to Nitrous Oxide Systems as NOS (not just the name brand)... like you ask for kleenex and not facial tissue w/ moisturizer... u kno? so imho, NOS = ok... NAWZ = go to sleep, it's past your bedtime.

Yes, but you don't see people claiming to have Kleenex when in fact they wipe their nose on the sleeve of their Hot Topic shirt. I'm just a little sick of hearing the local ricers claim they have "NAWZ" when in reality the only item they have that bears the brand name is the snake-oil Octane Booster, and it's hooked up to some rubber hose in their trunk.

Oh, and I submit that NX > NOS for smaller applications (ie not big-ass all-motor trailer-queens)

- M4H

 

[slikmunks]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: slikmunks
NAWZ = ghey... but what i don't understand is when people jump all over people for saying i have NOS or something along those lines... i guess it's become an industry standard to refer to Nitrous Oxide Systems as NOS (not just the name brand)... like you ask for kleenex and not facial tissue w/ moisturizer... u kno? so imho, NOS = ok... NAWZ = go to sleep, it's past your bedtime.

Yes, but you don't see people claiming to have Kleenex when in fact they wipe their nose on the sleeve of their Hot Topic shirt. I'm just a little sick of hearing the local ricers claim they have "NAWZ" when in reality the only item they have that bears the brand name is the snake-oil Octane Booster, and it's hooked up to some rubber hose in their trunk.

Oh, and I submit that NX > NOS for smaller applications (ie not big-ass all-motor trailer-queens)

- M4H

lol!!

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: OS
I don't think NX makes 15 lb bottles. You'll have to make do with a 10 lb and a 5 lb bottle.

FWIW, they do make 15lb as well as 12lb (composite) bottles.

But I could throw a 5lb for the initial stun, then close in for the kill with the ten-pounder.

- M4H

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: OS
I don't think NX makes 15 lb bottles. You'll have to make do with a 10 lb and a 5 lb bottle.

FWIW, they do make 15lb as well as 12lb (composite) bottles.

But I could throw a 5lb for the initial stun, then close in for the kill with the ten-pounder.

- M4H

I'll be damned, they do have 15lb bottles

Man, I suck, what kind of import ho am I.

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: OS
I don't think NX makes 15 lb bottles. You'll have to make do with a 10 lb and a 5 lb bottle.

FWIW, they do make 15lb as well as 12lb (composite) bottles.

But I could throw a 5lb for the initial stun, then close in for the kill with the ten-pounder.

- M4H

I'll be damned, they do have 15lb bottles

Man, I suck, what kind of import ho am I.

:laugh: Haha! :laugh:

 

[KpocAlypse]

Note to self, never even attempt to race anyone.

If my 1993 saturn ever beat anything, i'd prolly see the next day on some forum from the beaten foe that i was running a 350 with a cheater shot, or I took Saturn body panels and placed them on a Enzo, or that he forgot he was towing a 30 foot coachmen.

Granted, if my car did beat anything other than a 1978 Pinto, i'd prolly pop the hood after myself and see what the problem was.

Either way, i think the RX-7 "should" have won if both cars were driven by drivers that could drive. As in, people that knew how to get the most out of there cars, and didn't care that they might not work the next day. Kinda like the S2000, which if i remember hearing correctly, needs to be pushed to stupid high RPMs to really shine, and most people that just dropped 30k on a car... Ain't gunna do.

EDIT: Either way, slo or no slo, i'd rather have the RX-7 when picking between the two.. Now the 05 stang or the 03-04 Mach 1? that be a different story

 

[slikmunks]

well, given the mod status of both cars (at least what they said, w/o the bottle...) from a roll the 7 should have taken him... at 45mph, he should be right in the middle of 2nd, should be in boost already, probably somewhere near the transition from the first to the 2nd turbo... but that's besides the point... a loss is a loss... it's on himself if the only way he won is he squeezed... if he didn't, good for him... if he didn't, what a loser. we will never know.