Russian Hacking (You People are Idiots)

[BonzaiDuck]

That's funny -- "Assange argues that the DNC hacks came from an insider."

There's nothing in the local TV critique of any significance, other than that the broadcaster hasn't looked at the undisclosed reports.

The GOP is stumbling all over itself trying to deflect what nobody has stated yet as an evidentiary situation. That should tell folks something. They could be worried about what's coming, if indeed my own hypothesis about discoveries beyond the CIA's current report can be made.

But Trump's own words paint him as Putin's Little Bitch.

 

[Tequila]

I'm more worried about the left's sudden love fest for our intelligence agencies.

Meanwhile...

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm more worried about the left's sudden love fest for our intelligence agencies.

Meanwhile...

It's sooo hard, huh?

Who ya gonna trust- Putin? Assange? Trump? Repub mouthpieces? Or private cyber security like Crowdstrike & our own intelligence agencies?

 

[cubby1223]

I am not aware of a single liberal/Democrat on here who wants to change the election results due to this hacking.

If they are not liberal/Democrats, then what do you call all the users on this forum?

Russia assisted in a cyber-attack that obtained DNC emails and made them public. Russia has attempted to sway many U.S. elections, if not all. There's only one reason why "the left" is so up in arms on the topic this election cycle.

 

[cubby1223]

That's funny -- "Assange argues that the DNC hacks came from an insider."

There's nothing in the local TV critique of any significance, other than that the broadcaster hasn't looked at the undisclosed reports.

The GOP is stumbling all over itself trying to deflect what nobody has stated yet as an evidentiary situation. That should tell folks something. They could be worried about what's coming, if indeed my own hypothesis about discoveries beyond the CIA's current report can be made.

But Trump's own words paint him as Putin's Little Bitch.

Just like everyone on the right was worried about what was coming in the Wisconsin recount effort? Because they knew something devastating to them was about to be uncovered they didn't want the public to know about?

Keep predicting. We'll keep tuning you out

 

[fskimospy]

If they are not liberal/Democrats, then what do you call all the users on this forum?

Maybe you can quote some posts that say this then?

 

[Commodus]

If they are not liberal/Democrats, then what do you call all the users on this forum?

Russia assisted in a cyber-attack that obtained DNC emails and made them public. Russia has attempted to sway many U.S. elections, if not all. There's only one reason why "the left" is so up in arms on the topic this election cycle.

Really, "many... if not all?" I must've missed that part of Hamilton where Jefferson won the election because the Russian Emperor was seeding leaks to discredit Adams.

That you can only make vague "nothing new" claims says more about your own partisan motivations than the actual concerns. No, Russia has not tried to influence US elections this way before. And if the US doesn't put its foot down now, when does it take action? Guccifer 2.0 (aka the Russians) likely disseminated fake info on top of legit data... the claim I'm referencing was thankfully ignored by most, but are we supposed to wait until Russia slips out more plausible-looking fakes before we take action? Do we give Russia the impression that it can do this unhindered in 2020, and maybe embolden it to try hacking voting systems next time?

 

[Jhhnn]

If they are not liberal/Democrats, then what do you call all the users on this forum?

Russia assisted in a cyber-attack that obtained DNC emails and made them public. Russia has attempted to sway many U.S. elections, if not all. There's only one reason why "the left" is so up in arms on the topic this election cycle.

Excuse me, but Repub voters need to understand that they've been chumped by Putin & their own propagandists. The convergence of the interests of their oligarchs & our plutocracy can't be a good thing for America.

 

[boomerang]

Excuse me, but Repub voters need to understand that they've been chumped by Putin & their own propagandists. The convergence of the interests of their oligarchs & our plutocracy can't be a good thing for America.

Repub voters don't need to understand anything. They won. They make the rules now and your opinions have been relegated into obscurity. You have no power, your ideas have no relevance, your desires no recourse. But by all means continue to lecture as if you have control of the reins of power. It marginalizes you even more.

 

[IronWing]

Repub voters don't need to understand anything. They won. They make the rules now and your opinions have been relegated into obscurity. You have no power, your ideas have no relevance, your desires no recourse. But by all means continue to lecture as if you have control of the reins of power. It marginalizes you even more.

You tell 'em, comrade!

 

[Jhhnn]

Repub voters don't need to understand anything. They won. They make the rules now and your opinions have been relegated into obscurity. You have no power, your ideas have no relevance, your desires no recourse. But by all means continue to lecture as if you have control of the reins of power. It marginalizes you even more.

Hit a nerve, huh?

The way conservatives return to Repub governance is like spousal abuse syndrome.

It must be heartwarming to see Russian Intelligence & the Repub propaganda machine working together in harmony, huh?

And why not? Their oligarchs & our right wing plutocrats want the same things, after all.

 

[cubby1223]

Excuse me, but Repub voters need to understand that they've been chumped by Putin & their own propagandists. The convergence of the interests of their oligarchs & our plutocracy can't be a good thing for America.

No, Clinton voters, and you, need to understand that the more you turn this issue into "I'm just getting my rocks off insulting your intelligence," the less people actually care to listen to you.

If you were actually deeply concerned about the future of this nation in that regard, you would actually do something productive about it, rather than waste away posting on AT P&N.

Yet here you are. Are you in need of a hug?

 

[Tequila]

It's sooo hard, huh?

Who ya gonna trust- Putin? Assange? Trump? Repub mouthpieces? Or private cyber security like Crowdstrike & our own intelligence agencies?

You mean the same CIA that ...

1. Lied about WMDs
2. Lied about overthrowing Salvador Allende
3. Lied about Iran Contra
4. Lied about the 1953 Iranian coup

The list goes on and on. I still remember how everyone was SOOOOO convinced about WMDs. So the CIA must be right this time eh?

I'm no fan of Putin and not happy with what happened with Ukraine and there is a lot I don't like about Trump but I share his sentiment that we should be building relations with Russia. Both our countries have their dirty laundry and history of meddling in other countries. Neither is innocent here but I'm tired of us pretending we are the only good guys in this world especially with all the damage we've done in the middle east.

Why am I so frustrated by this? I've had a Russian girlfriend and speak a little bit of Russian and have been to St Petersburg twice. I loved it there, it is beautiful(well once you get past the ugly apartments surrounding Pulkovo airport) and there is so much history to see and experience. Petergof and Pushkin City outside of St Pete are something you can't describe by the pictures. The subway is a great way to get around, my only gripe is the long escalator ride up and down. The young people are very friendly and curious about why America and Russia are such enemies. I was never stopped to show my passport and visa. I felt incredibly safe there and had a blast. Really didn't feel any different than being in the US to be honest.

I have an ill feeling that there are some in the CIA who never want to see the USA and Russia as friends. Maybe I'm wrong but I just have this tingling feeling that something nefarious is going on inside the CIA yet again that is leading to yet another war.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

If they are not liberal/Democrats, then what do you call all the users on this forum?

Russia assisted in a cyber-attack that obtained DNC emails and made them public. Russia has attempted to sway many U.S. elections, if not all. There's only one reason why "the left" is so up in arms on the topic this election cycle.

True. Except I don't have to be a "Leftie" to be upset about a Traitor in queue to occupy the White House. I don't have to be "anything" except an honest person. And I stopped making contributions to RNC/GOP causes when I came to my own conclusions that Republicans have a long history of being Traitors to the Truth.

They're all running around like Chicken Little behind the spotlighted curtain, worried about the implications. It can only matter to me if I saw it all for what it was even before the primary campaigns began. Given the GOP groupie's view of reality, it shouldn't matter to such a person what I saw, thought, or concluded. But it matters to me.

 

[OutHouse]

I am fatigued from keeping up with the other thread. This one will be to discuss a different take on this.

It seems that intelligence is quite confident that Russia orchestrated cyber attacks against the US election. This is true independent of any intent or efficacy in undermining a particular candidate or party and changing the votes of the election.

The reaction has been one of divisive partisan politics wherein Americans' main focus is on whether Trump's presidency is legit.

Wake up people. Russia orchestrated an attack on our political system. This is an act of war. In saying so I am not calling for us to declare war on Russia, merely for us to see plainly the aggressive act against the US. Not against Clinton. Not against Democrats. Not against Republicans. Against the US government.

Seeing this as an opportunity to correct an injustice in our election results or otherwise to defend against the notion that the attacks may discredit those results is wrong. We are Americans first. Russia attacked America. America should respond to Russia. When parties respond to each other, even seeing it as an opportunity to discredit each other, we are taking responsibility for Russia's attack. I don't think they could have set it up any better.

Discuss.

trump won and will be President. get the fuck over it already.

 

[OutHouse]

US interfere in every election around the World, now are you butthurt?
Ok, so we're supposed to be concerned that the Russians hit us with the TRUTH about corruption in our own government

amen.

 

[OutHouse]

Are you agreeing that a foreign government took specific coordinated action to corrupt the US presidential election?

how was it corrupted? by info being released? lol ok.

 

[Jhhnn]

No, Clinton voters, and you, need to understand that the more you turn this issue into "I'm just getting my rocks off insulting your intelligence," the less people actually care to listen to you.

If you were actually deeply concerned about the future of this nation in that regard, you would actually do something productive about it, rather than waste away posting on AT P&N.

Yet here you are. Are you in need of a hug?

I'm fully aware of the fact that you're deep in denial & will likely remain so. You'll likely have many opportunities over the next several years to ask yourself very important questions- "My God! What have we done? How could we have been so foolish?"

You probably won't, being completely in thrall, but others will, I'm sure. They'll have a lot of good reasons to do so.

 

[alien42]

blah blah blah

one big problem with your BS is that the CIA wasn't responsible for the WMD lie, that was the Bush administration.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

You mean the same CIA that ...

1. Lied about WMDs
2. Lied about overthrowing Salvador Allende
3. Lied about Iran Contra
4. Lied about the 1953 Iranian coup

The list goes on and on. I still remember how everyone was SOOOOO convinced about WMDs. So the CIA must be right this time eh?

I'm no fan of Putin and not happy with what happened with Ukraine and there is a lot I don't like about Trump but I share his sentiment that we should be building relations with Russia. Both our countries have their dirty laundry and history of meddling in other countries. Neither is innocent here but I'm tired of us pretending we are the only good guys in this world especially with all the damage we've done in the middle east.

Why am I so frustrated by this? I've had a Russian girlfriend and speak a little bit of Russian and have been to St Petersburg twice. I loved it there, it is beautiful(well once you get past the ugly apartments surrounding Pulkovo airport) and there is so much history to see and experience. Petergof and Pushkin City outside of St Pete are something you can't describe by the pictures. The subway is a great way to get around, my only gripe is the long escalator ride up and down. The young people are very friendly and curious about why America and Russia are such enemies. I was never stopped to show my passport and visa. I felt incredibly safe there and had a blast. Really didn't feel any different than being in the US to be honest.

I have an ill feeling that there are some in the CIA who never want to see the USA and Russia as friends. Maybe I'm wrong but I just have this tingling feeling that something nefarious is going on inside the CIA yet again that is leading to yet another war.

You and others are so naïve. You are absolutely correct about the Mossadegh coup. Absolutely correct about the campaign against Allende. And since the CIA from its earliest days was supposed to be knitted to the White House like a glove, then you can also look at the White House occupants at the time those events occurred, although you completely ignore the Greatest Lie of modern times somewhere between 4. and 2. Or was it two Lies -- owing to the confusion over the Pentagon Papers? Or maybe three lies, if you include the initial posture that CIA had nothing to do with Bay of Pigs? In fact, the lie in # 2 is connected to these earlier lies and an assassination of September 20, 1976 which killed 3 people in Washington's Sheridan Circle.

But the actors in the Lies not generally recognized or thought of were few in number. All of those things occurred during the panic of the Cold War. If you haven't paid attention to anything but recent events, consider that everything of concern Today is merely an extension of the Cold War, troubles with the detritus and loose ends of the Cold War, troubles with the same nation-states in the Cold War. And the fog of thinking over "what you call terrorism" or naïve ideas about "bomb the hell out of 'em" comes from a failure to understand these things and their Cold War origins.

You can forgive someone who lost their mental balance in a hazardous job after the Cambridge-Five scandal, but you might have felt relief when he was forcibly retired for the clinical diagnosis. You could even forgive somebody who didn't want the IG's report on the Bay of Pigs printed on paper, who threw a tantrum about it -- returning home to blow his brains out with a shotgun. In those days, the Company was organized for one side of the house to do more than just "gathering intelligence."

It is actually the puerile lack of understanding, the tongue-in-cheek affinity for various Myths -- which leads to this thinking that daily intelligence-gathering is some sort of hocus-pocus concoction with a partisan taint to it. Or that CIA employees magically turn their allegiance from the agency mission or their country whenever there's a new temporary occupant of the White House. They serve the office of the presidency and the country -- not the party in power.

Give the GOP a chance, and they'll try to politicize Jesus Christ and the Bible. Oh. But they've already done that, haven't they?

I don't know what concerns me more: some half-wit's idea that the career-services of the government must be replaced with partisan loyalists in a spoils system, or people who think that the Bourne movies are more than resurrection of an old Myth from a long-dead project of the 1950s. You know what? I think even Snowden acted as he did in parallel to the mythical fiction he saw that year in the "Legacy" sequel. As Vonnegut posits in "Breakfast of Champions:" Americans mostly behave as though they were mimicking characters they saw in movies.

 

[JSt0rm]

That sounds like the death throes of the Democrat party to me.

Oh you're so elitist. You're smarter than me and the masses so we should just do what you say. a) You are NOT smarter than me. B) Forget you and the horse you rode in on with your silly ideas.

That does not work out in real life. Sorry.

noone is going to fall for you shtick. Everytime a new guy on the forums posts a shit ton in p&n its always a right wing sock puppet. Probably all the same couple guys from russia.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

That sounds like the death throes of the Democrat party to me.

Oh you're so elitist. You're smarter than me and the masses so we should just do what you say. a) You are NOT smarter than me. B) Forget you and the horse you rode in on with your silly ideas.

That does not work out in real life. Sorry.

I already addressed that. I don't CARE what you know or don't know, nor do I CARE what you see, don't see, accept or refuse to accept. I'm not interested in selling you some expanded world view. If you think that I THINK I'm smarter than you, I don't care. But if the thought had entered your mind, then you seem to care about it, and you're the one sensitive to it.

I'm sure you've obtained your entire life's education from tweets on your cell-phone. Give the man a plaque for "professor emeritus" of Nothing.

 

[cubby1223]

noone is going to fall for you shtick. Everytime a new guy on the forums posts a shit ton in p&n its always a right wing sock puppet. Probably all the same couple guys from russia.

Except for all the times when it's a left-wing sock puppet.

The jokes just never end with you!

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Funny how the OP's first post mirrors a speech that Hillary gave just before he started this thread.

Some need to face the fact that people who voted for Obama in 2008/2012 chose to either vote for Trump or not to vote in this election. I doubt the leaked emails or Comey's letter to congress had anything to do with the election results.

 

[JSt0rm]

Except for all the times when it's a left-wing sock puppet.

The jokes just never end with you!

Seriously when does that ever happen? When do we ever get a left wing sockpuppet brand new to the forums who obfuscates issues with misleading and wrong information?