Russian Exorcism

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: malak

That's odd, because every supernatural activity I have seen was completely unexplainable by the professional on the scene. Blind people seeing, cancer disappearing, etc. They are called supernatural for a reason. There is no natural way for someone to spontaneously heal.

Demon possession is real, and happens quite a bit more than people know. Exorcism doesn't happen much because in this day and age you get sued for trying.

Actually mystical healing has been widely discredited. James Randi won a McArthur Foundation Genius Award for his work in this area, and I specifically recall seeing him demonstrate how to recreate what appeared to be a healer working a cancer out of someone's abdomen. I am unaware of any mystical healing that has been independently authenticated.

I don't know if possession is real, but exorcisms are still relatively common. They do still occur in the US, in fact. IMO the real reason they have declined quite a bit is that there are increasingly effective psychotropic drugs to deal with the symptoms of possession (which frequently coincide with those of various psychoses).

 

[boborich]

Originally posted by: Wallydraigle

Originally posted by: BigJ
Do they use vodka instead of Holy Water?

Holy Vodka

:laugh:

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Literati

Originally posted by: Kev
Actually, there are explanations for the bermuda triangle. One theory is that methane gas pockets rise up from the ocean floor in huge bubbles that are big enough to sink ships and interfere with airplane instruments. It has actually been tested in a lab.

Kthxbye

So it's been explained. We know how the Bermuda Triangle works?

You might want to tell science, because they still haven't figured it out.

omgwtf

You still babbling about the damn Bermuda Triangle? Of course it exists... it's a defined region in the form of a triangle, with apices at Miami, Bermuda, and San Juan, Puerto Rico. Inside of it, various things have happened that people have not been able to explain, and so various legends have evolved around it.

Even if events have occurred that have not as yet been explained (or cannot, due to lack of data), does not mean that whatever did occur did so soley within the realm of the supernatural. Explanations like "the Devil made those ships disappear" and "survivors from the lost civilization of Atlantis made those ships disappear" and "aliens did it" are all equally valid (and equally stupid).

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: malak

That's odd, because every supernatural activity I have seen was completely unexplainable by the professional on the scene. Blind people seeing, cancer disappearing, etc. They are called supernatural for a reason. There is no natural way for someone to spontaneously heal.

Demon possession is real, and happens quite a bit more than people know. Exorcism doesn't happen much because in this day and age you get sued for trying.

Actually mystical healing has been widely discredited. James Randi won a McArthur Foundation Genius Award for his work in this area, and I specifically recall seeing him demonstrate how to recreate what appeared to be a healer working a cancer out of someone's abdomen. I am unaware of any mystical healing that has been independently authenticated.

You cannot just recreate cancer disappearing overnight. Or a blind man's eyes being healed.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: malak

You cannot just recreate cancer disappearing overnight. Or a blind man's eyes being healed.

Again, I'm unaware of a single authenticated case of either of these things, whereas I'm aware of a lot of demonstrations that showed the faith healing to be fake. I am actually pretty credulous when it comes to some paranormal phenomena, but I think virtually all faith healers are con men. I'd be interested and willing to read up if you know of any independent corroboration of faith healing.

 

[BadNewsBears]

Crazy ruskies.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: malak

You cannot just recreate cancer disappearing overnight. Or a blind man's eyes being healed.

Again, I'm unaware of a single authenticated case of either of these things, whereas I'm aware of a lot of demonstrations that showed the faith healing to be fake. I am actually pretty credulous when it comes to some paranormal phenomena, but I think virtually all faith healers are con men. I'd be interested and willing to read up if you know of any independent corroboration of faith healing.

Well I guess you'd just have to take my word for it, because I have personal experience in this. All anyone does around here is pray though, none of that jibba jabba you see on TV or in the travelling tent churches. If you want your own experience, just go to a decent church for a while

 

[BadNewsBears]

Aahhaha sounds like a crazy lil kid who ddint get the cereal he wanted at the store, with some people chanting.. Whats the big deal?

 

[tata]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: malak

That's odd, because every supernatural activity I have seen was completely unexplainable by the professional on the scene. Blind people seeing, cancer disappearing, etc. They are called supernatural for a reason. There is no natural way for someone to spontaneously heal.

Demon possession is real, and happens quite a bit more than people know. Exorcism doesn't happen much because in this day and age you get sued for trying.

Actually mystical healing has been widely discredited. James Randi won a McArthur Foundation Genius Award for his work in this area, and I specifically recall seeing him demonstrate how to recreate what appeared to be a healer working a cancer out of someone's abdomen. I am unaware of any mystical healing that has been independently authenticated.

You cannot just recreate cancer disappearing overnight. Or a blind man's eyes being healed.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: malak

That's odd, because every supernatural activity I have seen was completely unexplainable by the professional on the scene. Blind people seeing, cancer disappearing, etc. They are called supernatural for a reason. There is no natural way for someone to spontaneously heal.

Demon possession is real, and happens quite a bit more than people know. Exorcism doesn't happen much because in this day and age you get sued for trying.

Actually mystical healing has been widely discredited. James Randi won a McArthur Foundation Genius Award for his work in this area, and I specifically recall seeing him demonstrate how to recreate what appeared to be a healer working a cancer out of someone's abdomen. I am unaware of any mystical healing that has been independently authenticated.

You cannot just recreate cancer disappearing overnight. Or a blind man's eyes being healed.

The cancer disappearing has been documented before, in a very small minority of cases, cancer sometimes spontaneously regresses and disappears. The supposed explanation is that the immune system is finally able to target the cancer cells as being foreign and therefore able to remove it. There are now therapeutic vaccines in test trials for cervical tumors/cancer that work based on this mechanism. Certain cancer cells express uncommon proteins and the immune system can be trained to recognize this. My cousin who is a doctor, when I discuss this with him, he takes an even more extreme stance and says that spontaneous regression of cancer, "probably happens all the time, but we just don't see it".

 

[yhelothar]

boring/stupid
but then again, I was on the phone on hold with verizon support

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

up for morning people

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Literati

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Literati

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

I'm not Athiest; I am Agnostic. But I am interested in hearing valid answers to my question.

You explain to us the Bermuda Triangle, and I'll explain this K?

Surely you believe the Bermuda Triangle is real...

LOL...

1. Get a crappy microphone.
2. Get a guy who likes to "massage" the microphone a lot.
3. Get a few guys to chant monotone passages.
4. Get a chick with a deep voice (plenty in Russia, I'd imagine) to scream and curse.
5. Encode in the crappiest bitrate ever.
6. ...
7. Profit!

OMGROFL

My point is, you all believe in the Bermuda Triangle. If you don't, you are an idiot.

It is clearly there, and obviously real. You can go there if you wanted.

Now, you believe that it is very real, yet there are no explanations for it.

So, that leaves you a couple options, you don't believe it exists, or you do but don't believe the phenomenon surrounding it.

You do believe in it, something you cannot prove or verify/validate it's existance or give proof as to the reason of occurances behind it.

So that would make you either a hypocrite or an idiot.

Oh my Gawd! LOLROFLCOPTERWTFBBQSHUTUPPLZ

There are explanations for it, aside from being in center of hurricane hell, there are enormous pockets of methane that can release from the ocean floor, and break a ship in half, and cause internal combustion engines to fail. This is the theory behind the bermuda triangle today. There was a huge like 4 hour discovery showcase that showed you step-by-step how they verified the research and testing methods. It was very impressive, and very convincing. It clearly showed how it could easily sink a tanker in under 3 minutes, and cause plane crashes in seconds. (not only does the engine stall, but the altimeters read much much higher than they should because methane is thinner than air).

 

[Acanthus]

Also that was faker than fake

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
boring/stupid
but then again, I was on the phone on hold with verizon support

So by now you should have 1st hand experience with pure evil.
<commenting on the crappy quality of verizon customer support.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I've always been fasinated with this and other "supernatural" things. A good looking show or mini-series that is coming out is Revalations http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Revelations/ Looks pretty cool.

 

[Chadder007]

in for listening to it later yo....

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
There are explanations for it, aside from being in center of hurricane hell, there are enormous pockets of methane that can release from the ocean floor, and break a ship in half, and cause internal combustion engines to fail. This is the theory behind the bermuda triangle today. There was a huge like 4 hour discovery showcase that showed you step-by-step how they verified the research and testing methods. It was very impressive, and very convincing. It clearly showed how it could easily sink a tanker in under 3 minutes, and cause plane crashes in seconds. (not only does the engine stall, but the altimeters read much much higher than they should because methane is thinner than air).

Methane Hydrates are hypothetical.

Thus my point remains.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Literati

Originally posted by: Acanthus
There are explanations for it, aside from being in center of hurricane hell, there are enormous pockets of methane that can release from the ocean floor, and break a ship in half, and cause internal combustion engines to fail. This is the theory behind the bermuda triangle today. There was a huge like 4 hour discovery showcase that showed you step-by-step how they verified the research and testing methods. It was very impressive, and very convincing. It clearly showed how it could easily sink a tanker in under 3 minutes, and cause plane crashes in seconds. (not only does the engine stall, but the altimeters read much much higher than they should because methane is thinner than air).

Methane Hydrates are hypothetical.

Thus my point remains.

The theory of relativity is also a theory. God created gravity too!

 

[imported_Reck]

the most amazing ability of the human mind is it's ability to decieve itself. i forget who said that...

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: malak

You cannot just recreate cancer disappearing overnight. Or a blind man's eyes being healed.

Again, I'm unaware of a single authenticated case of either of these things, whereas I'm aware of a lot of demonstrations that showed the faith healing to be fake. I am actually pretty credulous when it comes to some paranormal phenomena, but I think virtually all faith healers are con men. I'd be interested and willing to read up if you know of any independent corroboration of faith healing.

Well I guess you'd just have to take my word for it, because I have personal experience in this. All anyone does around here is pray though, none of that jibba jabba you see on TV or in the travelling tent churches. If you want your own experience, just go to a decent church for a while

I call bigtime SHENS on you buddy.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: Literati
My point is, you all believe in the Bermuda Triangle. If you don't, you are an idiot.

It is clearly there, and obviously real. You can go there if you wanted.

Now, you believe that it is very real, yet there are no explanations for it.

There are plenty of explanations for the Bermuda triangle. It has been shown that releases of large pockets sulfur & methane gas from under the water (which happen frequently in that area) will temporarily lower the density of the water enough to sink a ship, and will cause low-flying planes to stall.

 

[SilverTorch]

quality of the clip is crap cant make anything out at all

can anyone clear it up a bit?

 

[OutHouse]

damn, im sitting at my desk and listened to that with my headphones on. it gave me goosebumps... scary stuff.

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

The theory of relativity is also a theory. God created gravity too!

You're right. It hasn't been disproved or validated.

Just like the Methane Hydrate theory concerning the Bermuda Triangle.

It would really help if you stopped being so thick headed and were to accept the simple fact that there are things that can and do occur in the natural world without explanations yet.

If we said "That has no base in science, therefore doesn't exist." we would have stopped human advancement a long time ago.

Don't bring God into this as some sort of cheap attempt to cop out. You're weak for that.

My point is, that just because something can't be explained at this point in time does not automatically void the possible validity of the situation.

You have lost and you will continue to lose if you believe otherwise.

My point has not changed through my posts, it remains, undisputable. History as my witness, I am correct.

Try to tell me otherwise.