Russia ready to normalize relations with the US

[werepossum]

https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/all-signs-point-to-russia-being-behind-the-dnc-hack

Well, obviously a blog and an article referencing that blog cannot be questioned.

 

[bshole]

Pardons only work against convicted people. I think. I don't think you can pardon someone from charges they haven't received yet.

Well he is considering it....

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/white-house-considering-pardon-hillary-clinton/

White House spokesman Josh Earnest declined to say Wednesday if President Obama would consider issuing a blanket pardon for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, whose charitable foundation is reportedly being investigated by FBI field offices for evidence of corruption, in order to spare her further investigation under incoming President Donald Trump.

Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/white-house-considering-pardon-hillary-clinton/#ixzz4Pd2VwoIS

 

[OrByte]

It is so disheartening to see people all up in arms about a few classified emails that were sent from HRC's email server..

Meanwhile Russia is playing grab-ass with Trump and manipulating the US election in a very real way.

bunch of fools we are.

 

[UglyCasanova]

It is so disheartening to see people all up in arms about a few classified emails that were sent from HRC's email server..

Meanwhile Russia is playing grab-ass with Trump and manipulating the US election in a very real way.

bunch of fools we are.

Don't nominate a crook?

 

[soundforbjt]

Don't nominate a crook?

Why didn't the repubs think of that as well?

 

[norseamd]

He would be doing it to prevent a partisan witch hunt. Trump is a vindictive prick. It isn't out of the question that he would throw Hillary to the wolves. A pardon would prevent that from occurring.

I usually would expect you to go on a witch hunt against Hillary and "her neoliberal neocon backers and shills", and for you to scream that any pardon of Hillary would be more protecting criminals of the corrupt system, but the fact that you arent just going full out "lock her up", and as well as recognizing the particular reasoning for pardoning her, regardless of whether or not by letter of law she should be held more accountable, is actually quite surprising to me.

Thankyou for not being ignorant.

 

[norseamd]

Funny, I thought the election was over.

So lets begin...


"The source of these emails and leaks has nothing to do with Russia at all. I discovered what the source was when I attended the Sam Adam's whistleblower award in Washington. The source of these emails comes from within official circles in Washington DC. You should look to Washington not to Moscow."
-Craig Murray, former UK Ambassador to Uzbekistan

It doesn't take a big foreign gov't to crack emails.

A 13 year old teenager cracked the CIA director's email. Then hacked the DNI James Clappers email.

Teen Who Hacked CIA Email Is Back to Prank US Spy Chief

For foreign connections and influence, how's this?

Shall we continue?

I dont know, youre linking 2 documents on a Clinton event in Morroco, and another document about TOW sales to Morroco, without mentioning why the TOW sales are assumed to be connected at all. Furthermore, mind trying to explain to everyone why you think there is something important about a few TOW missiles getting sold to Morocco? I have one idea, but when put into context its kinda not really all that big of a deal.

 

[stormkroe]

Didn't they just talk about yoga?

Russia is admitting it contacted Trump's camp during the election.

Way to nominate a Russian puppet, dumb voters I swear.

 

[agent00f]

Well, obviously a blog and an article referencing that blog cannot be questioned.

Quite amusing you're equating analysis from an actual security firm with the kind of blogs you've known for parroting.

It's pretty evident you don't really know much about computers, so not sure why you supposed your opinion on the matter was valuable.

 

[agent00f]

Funny, I thought the election was over.

So lets begin...


"The source of these emails and leaks has nothing to do with Russia at all. I discovered what the source was when I attended the Sam Adam's whistleblower award in Washington. The source of these emails comes from within official circles in Washington DC. You should look to Washington not to Moscow."
-Craig Murray, former UK Ambassador to Uzbekistan

It doesn't take a big foreign gov't to crack emails.

A 13 year old teenager cracked the CIA director's email. Then hacked the DNI James Clappers email.

Teen Who Hacked CIA Email Is Back to Prank US Spy Chief

For foreign connections and influence, how's this?

Shall we continue?

Something that trump supporters share with their alpha wannabe is remarkable insecurity. That's why putin can simply compliment the don, which is something he evidently doesn't receive a lot of, and get desirable results in return. Similarly, their dummy blogs can simply tell that audience they're the smart ones, those liberal educators were wrong all along, etc, and get undying loyalty in return.

Putin used to be KGB, and psychology warfare is their bread and butter. As good as Trump is at playing simpletons, he's not enough of what you call a self-conscious thinker to realize when he gets played. Not much needs to be said on that matter for his followers.

 

[norseamd]

Quite amusing you're equating analysis from an actual security firm with the kind of blogs you've known for parroting.

It's pretty evident you don't really know much about computers, so not sure why you supposed your opinion on the matter was valuable.

He doesnt, which is why he made up a lie that I said getting Trump elected would lead to war, when I didnt, for the express purpose of trying to undermine opposing discussion.

lol So Trump getting elected would lead to a war with Russia, and now that Trump has been elected and Russia proposes normalizing our relationship (like Hillary promised to do but flubbed) that just means there will be a war elsewhere. Gotcha.

As always, it's turtles all the way down.


And the neighboring lands Russia has already annexed were Trump's fault and not Obama's/Clinton's because . . . ?

 

[norseamd]

Not really. Other than, I would much prefer peace to WWIII, and I don't see much valid reasoning behind arming ISIS.

I dont know where you are pulling arming ISIS out of.

 

[norseamd]

Georgia started that one.

The Georgian-Russian war was a shithole, and we shouldnt start there, as it all actually originated way back in the collapse of the USSR, and Georgia suppressing non-Georgian ethnic groups in their own autonomous home territories. Abkhazia and Ossettia deserve full independence. But Russia has been not supporting their independence, but annexing them under the cover of Abkhazian and Ossettian independence.

That's every large empire ever bro, including us (see: the natives).

Yes, thats true, but other wrongs dont make a wrong right, and the broader discussion is a very huge discussion, and one for another time, or at least another thread.

 

[shady28]

I dont know, youre linking 2 documents on a Clinton event in Morroco, and another document about TOW sales to Morroco, without mentioning why the TOW sales are assumed to be connected at all. Furthermore, mind trying to explain to everyone why you think there is something important about a few TOW missiles getting sold to Morocco? I have one idea, but when put into context its kinda not really all that big of a deal.

Ok lets continue then..

You're right that it could be a nifty coincidence. If that was the only thing that happened, it wouldn't mean much.

So lets see what else happened.


From the Wall St Journal -

The Clinton Foundation, State and Kremlin Connections
Why did Hillary’s State Department urge U.S. investors to fund Russian research for military uses?

"Russians tied to Skolkovo also flowed funds to the Clinton Foundation. Andrey Vavilov,the chairman of SuperOx, which is part of Skolkovo’s nuclear-research cluster, donatedbetween $10,000 and $25,000 (donations are reported in ranges, not exact amounts) to the Clinton’s family charity. Skolkovo Foundation chief and billionaire Putin confidantViktor Vekselberg also gave to the Clinton Foundation through his company, Renova Group."


I find it amusing that Russian Oligarchs are such charitable people when it comes to the Clinton Foundation, don't you? How charitable of those Russians..

NY Times :

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

"... the company’s story was hardly front-page news in the United States — until early 2008, in the midst of Mrs. Clinton’s failed presidential campaign, when The Times published an article revealing the 2005 trip’s link to Mr. Giustra’s Kazakhstan mining deal. It also reported that several months later, Mr. Giustra had donated $31.3 million to Mr. Clinton’s foundation."

John Podesta and the Russians
When did Clinton’s top aide stop doing business with Moscow?


"
But Mr. Podesta may have been concerned about the attention this association might draw when he went back into government in early 2014 to serve as a counselor to President Obama. That’s when Mr. Podesta declared on his federal financial disclosure form that he had divested himself of his Joule holdings.

This is where the story gets a little more complicated. The emails published on WikiLeaks show that around the time he was returning to the White House, Mr. Podesta wrote to Joule requesting the transfer of his shares to an entity called Leonidio Holdings, LLC, which had been created just weeks earlier."


But OMG let some Trump subsidiary do business with a bank that does business in Russia and he's a fucking commie for sure.


Shall we continue?

 

[FIVR]

I'm not so sure it is in Russia's best interests to normalize relations with a soon-to-be failed state run by an Idi Amin wannabe. Maybe when the famine starts they can start delivering humanitarian aid to starving boroughs in NY, but for now much like Venezuela it is best to sit back and watch from a distance.

Edit: Side note the formatting in the post above me is so horrendous I couldn't make out any actual syntax to the post. Can somebody more fluent in trumpese translate?

 

[thraashman]

Well, obviously a blog and an article referencing that blog cannot be questioned.

How about questioning the direct words of the Department of Homeland Security

The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.

 

[norseamd]

I'm not so sure it is in Russia's best interests to normalize relations with a soon-to-be failed state run by an Idi Amin wannabe. Maybe when the famine starts they can start delivering humanitarian aid to starving boroughs in NY, but for now much like Venezuela it is best to sit back and watch from a distance.

Edit: Side note the formatting in the post above me is so horrendous I couldn't make out any actual syntax to the post. Can somebody more fluent in trumpese translate?

Im not sure why you think engaging in some form of relations with a failing American state would harm them. Its not like there would necessarily be any commitments attached.

 

[kage69]

Russia is going to play Trump like a fiddle and get sanctions lifted, then it's right back to using the West as a scapegoat to keep Putin in power.

 

[norseamd]

Ok lets continue then..

You're right that it could be a nifty coincidence. If that was the only thing that happened, it wouldn't mean much.

So lets see what else happened.


From the Wall St Journal -

The Clinton Foundation, State and Kremlin Connections
Why did Hillary’s State Department urge U.S. investors to fund Russian research for military uses?

"Russians tied to Skolkovo also flowed funds to the Clinton Foundation. Andrey Vavilov,the chairman of SuperOx, which is part of Skolkovo’s nuclear-research cluster, donatedbetween $10,000 and $25,000 (donations are reported in ranges, not exact amounts) to the Clinton’s family charity. Skolkovo Foundation chief and billionaire Putin confidantViktor Vekselberg also gave to the Clinton Foundation through his company, Renova Group."


I find it amusing that Russian Oligarchs are such charitable people when it comes to the Clinton Foundation, don't you? How charitable of those Russians..

NY Times :

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

"... the company’s story was hardly front-page news in the United States — until early 2008, in the midst of Mrs. Clinton’s failed presidential campaign, when The Times published an article revealing the 2005 trip’s link to Mr. Giustra’s Kazakhstan mining deal. It also reported that several months later, Mr. Giustra had donated $31.3 million to Mr. Clinton’s foundation."

John Podesta and the Russians
When did Clinton’s top aide stop doing business with Moscow?


"
But Mr. Podesta may have been concerned about the attention this association might draw when he went back into government in early 2014 to serve as a counselor to President Obama. That’s when Mr. Podesta declared on his federal financial disclosure form that he had divested himself of his Joule holdings.

This is where the story gets a little more complicated. The emails published on WikiLeaks show that around the time he was returning to the White House, Mr. Podesta wrote to Joule requesting the transfer of his shares to an entity called Leonidio Holdings, LLC, which had been created just weeks earlier."


But OMG let some Trump subsidiary do business with a bank that does business in Russia and he's a fucking commie for sure.


Shall we continue?

I know about previous Clinton business with Russia, and in a perfect world that was entirely safe and fair, Clinton would probably be in jail.

But thats not what was so important, even considering prior business, she wasnt beholden to Russia, and we knew that Trump was in bed with the Russians, and thus after the primaries, we knew that only Clinton could keep the world as safe as possible from the Russians and Chinese.

 

[cytg111]

Putin used to be KGB, and psychology warfare is their bread and butter. As good as Trump is at playing simpletons, he's not enough of what you call a self-conscious thinker to realize when he gets played. Not much needs to be said on that matter for his followers.

- Russia, if you are listening, I hope you are able to find the 30.000 emails that are missing.
- Russia tied to the DNC hacks (and NSA tools hack)
- Wikileaks and "Guccifier 2.0" as tools for information warfare.
- Partnership with Russia during the campaign. Later confirmed by Russia.
- Russian parliament bursts into applause upon Trumps victory. Who doesnt love it when a plan comes together.

One scenario is that Trump thought "The system is rigged.." ... pause.. "Ill rig it myself, its only fair" - and then went and did the unspeakable.

What was the cost of russias aide in winning the election for trump? I am guessing you will see (sooner rather than later)
- If not a complete drop then a sizeable cutback on sanctions
- total withdraw of interests in ukraine.

But really, the standing applause in the russian parliament should tell you everything.

edit : oh yea, forgot.. what is it with his wifes dad? Melanie Trumps father is, or was, a registred communist.
im sure it is all just random and not connected at all.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/27/trump-hope-russia-finds-the-30000-emails-that-are-missing.html
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...nsa-spying-tools-is-tied-to-russian-dnc-hack/
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...p_organization_communicating_with_russia.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...us-election-russia-putin-result-a7406866.html

 

[werepossum]

How about questioning the direct words of the Department of Homeland Security

Yep, no way that could possibly be politically motivated. Especially considering these are led by political appointees of a President desperate to preserve his legacy. You know, Caesar's wife and all.

In fact, one wonders where all these security watchdogs were when the Secretary of State set up an unsupervised, unmonitored server in her basement without even basic encryption and used it for 100% of her official government correspondence, eh?

 

[Victorian Gray]

I dont know where you are pulling arming ISIS out of.

Hillary Clinton was seen personally handing out AK-47s to anyone who was able to spell the phrase "Death to AMERICA!" (with appropriate capitalization).

 

[agent00f]

- Russia, if you are listening, I hope you are able to find the 30.000 emails that are missing.
- Russia tied to the DNC hacks (and NSA tools hack)
- Wikileaks and "Guccifier 2.0" as tools for information warfare.
- Partnership with Russia during the campaign. Later confirmed by Russia.
- Russian parliament bursts into applause upon Trumps victory. Who doesnt love it when a plan comes together.

One scenario is that Trump thought "The system is rigged.." ... pause.. "Ill rig it myself, its only fair" - and then went and did the unspeakable.

What was the cost of russias aide in winning the election for trump? I am guessing you will see (sooner rather than later)
- If not a complete drop then a sizeable cutback on sanctions
- total withdraw of interests in ukraine.

But really, the standing applause in the russian parliament should tell you everything.

edit : oh yea, forgot.. what is it with his wifes dad? Melanie Trumps father is, or was, a registred communist.
im sure it is all just random and not connected at all.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/27/trump-hope-russia-finds-the-30000-emails-that-are-missing.html
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...nsa-spying-tools-is-tied-to-russian-dnc-hack/
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...p_organization_communicating_with_russia.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...us-election-russia-putin-result-a7406866.html

There's no solid evident that he was in direct cahoots with russians, but frankly it's not as if anyone would be surprised if that turned out the case.

Something very similar happened with Reagan and the Iranians who mysteriously released the hostages right after he was sworn in, then got a shitload of (often illegal) benefits over his term in office. The accusation by some former insiders (incl iranian pres) is that they delayed release as a quid pro quo deal to damage carter.

 

[lopri]

Yep, no way that could possibly be politically motivated. Especially considering these are led by political appointees of a President desperate to preserve his legacy. You know, Caesar's wife and all.

Are you seriously suggesting the U.S. government accused the Russian government of illegal activities for domestic political purposes?

In fact, one wonders where all these security watchdogs were when the Secretary of State set up an unsupervised, unmonitored server in her basement without even basic encryption and used it for 100% of her official government correspondence, eh?

Perhaps because it was a common place practice? Do you think the hundreds, if not thousands, who exchanged emails with Clinton would not have taken notice if it had not been a custom?

 

[thraashman]

There's no solid evident that he was in direct cahoots with russians, but frankly it's not as if anyone would be surprised if that turned out the case.
.

While there is no solid evidence, there is significantly MORE evidence than there is of any of the bullshit conservatives always accuse Hillary of.