Russia ready to normalize relations with the US

[UglyCasanova]

http://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-russia-putin-idUSR4N1D800D?c?


This should be approached cautiously, but I'm not sure how it could be perceived as a bad thing. Putin is by far a larger crook than Hillary, but thus is the world we live in. He just extended the reset button that Hillary initially put out. For all the fear mongering going on about Trump bringing us closer to war this is a sign the opposite might be true.

The bulk of the US doesn't want hostile relations with Russia. The world is better off as a result.

 

[momeNt]

The Philippines will likely lead the way on this. A key Southeast Asia ally beginning to have relations with China and Russia is our queue to start accepting them in our global policy.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I think the mood is that Syria isn't worth a conflict with Russia over. Let them keep their influence. Assad is a POS but I'm not willing to die nor ask any other American to do so over his removal. An optimistic view is that perhaps the worlds two greatest military's can come together to actually defeat the real enemy (ISIS) without having to engage in a proxy war over influence in the meantime.

This is a good thing.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I agree, this sounds like a Good Thing.

 

[norseamd]

http://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-russia-putin-idUSR4N1D800D?c?


This should be approached cautiously, but I'm not sure how it could be perceived as a bad thing. Putin is by far a larger crook than Hillary, but thus is the world we live in. He just extended the reset button that Hillary initially put out. For all the fear mongering going on about Trump bringing us closer to war this is a sign the opposite might be true.

The bulk of the US doesn't want hostile relations with Russia. The world is better off as a result.

Does Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Britain, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia, Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Bosnia, Croatia, or Slovenia?

 

[Commodus]

Considering how Trump campaign staff (and possibly Trump himself) had financial incentives to embrace Russia, how Russia hacked strategic targets to influence the election and WikiLeaks basically served as a pawn for Russian interests... yeah, no kidding that Putin and company are ready to "normalize" ties. Russia was trying to play the US like a fiddle, and it worked.

 

[norseamd]

I agree, this sounds like a Good Thing.

Would you, in your honest opinion, say you know what is going on?

 

[brycejones]

Nothing like getting all lovey with a man who is basically a dictator.

 

[hal2kilo]

If I lived in eastern Europe, I'd be shitting my pants right now.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Nothing like getting all lovey with a man who is basically a dictator.

Cuz Russia would totally be the only authoritarian nation we'd be lovey with if we started now.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Putin wants it normalized because it takes some of the financial pressure he is feeling off of him. Kind of like the Iran Nuclear deal.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Does Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Britain, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia, Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Bosnia, Croatia, or Slovenia?

Do they what, see this as a good thing? I would think so, a conflict would occur in their backyard and if push ever came to shove they would certainly be the worse for it.

 

[norseamd]

Do they what, see this as a good thing? I would think so, a conflict would occur in their backyard and if push ever came to shove they would certainly be the worse for it.

LOL, I already had a reply written out, but you just confirmed it more than 110%. So eloquently spoken, yet so entirely purposely ignorant. "Gupta's Law of Convenient Anomalies"

I think the mood is that Syria isn't worth a conflict with Russia over. Let them keep their influence. Assad is a POS but I'm not willing to die nor ask any other American to do so over his removal. An optimistic view is that perhaps the worlds two greatest military's can come together to actually defeat the real enemy (ISIS) without having to engage in a proxy war over influence in the meantime.

This is a good thing.

Youre an Ormstunga if there ever was one.

 

[UglyCasanova]

LOL, I already had a reply written out, but you just confirmed it more than 110%. So eloquently spoken, yet so entirely purposely ignorant. "Gupta's Law of Convenient Anomalies"



Youre an Ormstunga if there ever was one.

Ok oh great one, do explain then. How is the United States and Russia having a Cold War mentality toward one another in anyone's best interest (other than the military industrial complex)?

 

[momeNt]

Would you, in your honest opinion, say you know what is going on?

Care to enlighten us?!

 

[norseamd]

Ok oh great one, do explain then. How is the United States and Russia having a Cold War mentality toward one another in anyone's best interest (other than the military industrial complex)?

I will take moving the goalposts for $5000

 

[Sho'Nuff]

http://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-russia-putin-idUSR4N1D800D?c?
The bulk of the US doesn't want hostile relations with Russia. The world is better off as a result.

We are already in a proxy war with Russia in both Syria and Yemen. Only way things get more hostile is open war.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I will take moving the goalposts for $5000

What goalposts were moved? Just asking for clarification on your position. Since you felt the need to be snarky and belittle me, I just thought maybe you could back it up.

 

[UglyCasanova]

We are already in a proxy war with Russia in both Syria and Yemen. Only way things get more hostile is open war.

I certainly agree with that, hopefully Trump dials it back a bit. I think one of the more telling things during this election is during the debates when Hillary was asked if a Russia fighter made its way into her proposed no fly zone does she shoot it down. Her answer was lackluster at best saying that we wouldn't just put it up immediately but rather negotiate with the Russians (something she knew wasn't going to happen, Russia isn't prepared to lose Syria and they aren't negotiating over that). A Clinton presidency would have put us precariously close to open conflict with Russia, something I don't think anyone would want.

 

[DidelisDiskas]

If I lived in eastern Europe, I'd be shitting my pants right now.

I am. If Trump goes on with his word to disband nato and not defend his baltic allies, you will start hearing of "persecuted" Russian minority revolting, or being liberated by green men all across the baltic sea pretty soon. Of course this is not the problem of USA, but would still kind of suck to be occupied by Russia for the third time in a row... Not to mention living under such a corrupt regime, which does not have much to offer. Why can't Sweden, or Germany, or USA occupy us for a change?

 

[theeedude]

Trump's Great Again America, Putin's wannabe USSR, and Duterte's Vigilante Philipines, the new Axis of misguided populism. Maybe throw Erdogan in there too for the full house.

 

[norseamd]

What goalposts were moved? Just asking for clarification on your position. Since you felt the need to be snarky and belittle me, I just thought maybe you could back it up.

You can yapper all you want, it isnt going to cover up your petty attempts at rhetoric, nor is it going to pump up that riposte that you just had to throw in at the end.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ok oh great one, do explain then. How is the United States and Russia having a Cold War mentality toward one another in anyone's best interest (other than the military industrial complex)?

You exaggerate. The kleptocracy of Russian oligarchs is the model capitalists everywhere want to follow. Letting them hook up with our own financial elite means even greater concentration of economic power at the tippy top.

Authoritarianism isn't the big issue at the international level but rather economics & leadership. The Chinese live in a fairly authoritarian society and haven't been as well off in the last few hundred years. Their govt cares about that. The oligarchs of the world, including our own, don't give a damn about it.

Syria & Yemen aren't the really big issue, anyway. Ukraine is. In 24 years of independence they've had even shittier govt that their Russian cousins. Looted, and looted again by the conflict in the Donbass. The West played them for chumps in the great game against Russia. We lost, but tried to salvage what we could from sanctions much at their expense.

They won't get Crimea back no matter what. They might get back the industrial heart of the Donbass if they quit listening to us & cut their best deal with Putin, declare themselves to be forever Neutral like Finland. In order to do that, they need to get their own house in order & deal with the Right Front appropriately. Not likely.

 

[norseamd]

Trump's Great Again America, Putin's wannabe USSR, and Duterte's Vigilante Philipines, the new Axis of misguided populism. Maybe throw Erdogan in there too for the full house.

I was going to mention it, but was waiting for replies to my previous questions to come in, but notice what momenT said. Theres no reason he would have mentioned Philippines unless he actually knew what was going on there, and that it shows he doesnt care about thousands of innocent people getting murdered in cold blood.

The Philippines will likely lead the way on this. A key Southeast Asia ally beginning to have relations with China and Russia is our queue to start accepting them in our global policy.

 

[jackstar7]

Which neighboring land with Russia annex next?