Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[GodisanAtheist]

*sigh* I cannot believe I'm saying this but Europe needs to man up and remember their imperialist roots right about now (but from, you know, a western liberal democratic socialist perspective this time).

No one in the history of mankind has done war like the Europeans. Time to nut up boys.

 

[cytg111]

*sigh* I cannot believe I'm saying this but Europe needs to man up and remember their imperialist roots right about now (but from, you know, a western liberal democratic socialist perspective this time).

No one in the history of mankind has done war like the Europeans. Time to nut up boys.

Now that you mention it ... that gas and oil to the east does look tasty.

 

[DZero]

NATO is about to get pinched by Russia from the east and Russia's ally Muskland from the west. Might as well get ahead of it.

The issue? If China sees Russia and US become allies, they will become the enemy of both since Russia don't want to depend on China and US hates China by default.

 

[K1052]

Good news from Syria...

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I hope that Russia won't be able to regain access with any of these ports through a desperate deal.

I think they are boned here. They are moving into Libya instead which is much less optimal for their regional influence goals. Plus they made big investments in their Syrian base infrastructure which now must be abandon and they've got to do it again in like Tobruk lol.

 

[K1052]

Sweden says they will be willing to deploy troops as peacekeepers in Ukraine to enforce a deal.

Ultimately what Ukraine needs is a decent size Euro tripwire force that's backed up by EU air power and a rebuilt Ukrainian Air Force armed with a deep magazine of standoff range weapons. These forces can be rotated to and from Ukraine to share the burden across the EU militaries. In the interim Ukraine can also stockpile drones so that if Russia comes again the Kremlin itself comes under attack from like 500 of them in a day.

 

[igor_kavinski]

In the interim Ukraine can also stockpile drones so that if Russia comes again the Kremlin itself comes under attack from like 500 of them in a day.

Not just Ukraine, the entire EU should unleash their barrage of drones if Russia steps outside their boundaries. The only best defense is a concerted offense to get rid of this pesky and menacing problem from ever rearing its fugly head again.

 

[K1052]

Not just Ukraine, the entire EU should unleash their barrage of drones if Russia steps outside their boundaries. The only best defense is a concerted offense to get rid of this pesky and menacing problem from ever rearing its fugly head again.

The EU can certainly afford low observable cruise missiles and I think they should own many many many more of them.

 

[feralkid]

It reminds me of growing up, when the greatest menace to the free world was some fatso in a suit wanting nothing short of complete world domination.

Oh...wait....

 

[K1052]

If I'm the Europeans right now I think I'd move a PAC-3, an IRIS-T SLM/SL, and 4 Skynex (by diverting the Italian order) into Lviv and quickly rehabilitate the disused Horodok Air Base including with HAS for EU air wing deployment over western Ukraine to run CAP. This would allow Ukraine to reallocate aircraft for more intense air to ground operations.

Europe has some significant air defense limitations right now so this would be a safe option that doesn't commit too many scant resources. This would also facilitate a safer area for training and military production efforts.

 

[DZero]

If I'm the Europeans right now I think I'd move a PAC-3, an IRIS-T SLM/SL, and 4 Skynex (by diverting the Italian order) into Lviv and quickly rehabilitate the disused Horodok Air Base including with HAS for EU air wing deployment over western Ukraine to run CAP. This would allow Ukraine to reallocate aircraft for more intense air to ground operations.

Europe has some significant air defense limitations right now so this would be a safe option that doesn't commit too many scant resources. This would also facilitate a safer area for training and military production efforts.

Indeed, but must be done before US and Russia becomes besties... China might see that and is ready in case of an attack.

 

[Muse]

If you are a Euro country and think the US is pulling back support for NATO then arming Ukraine to the teeth, stationing troops there, and puling them into the bloc as quickly as possible is certainly the best option on the table.

Yay to the USA quitting NATO if it allows Ukraine to gain membership. The US can rejoin after Trump passes for the win.

 

[Muse]

It reminds me of growing up, when the greatest menace to the free world was some fatso in a suit wanting nothing short of complete world domination.

Oh...wait....

Which fatso(s) was that?

 

[DZero]

Yay to the USA quitting NATO if it allows Ukraine to gain membership. The US can rejoin after Trump passes for the win.

Nope. US will divide after Trump and will become Soviet Union 1991 2.0

 

[Pens1566]

Yay to the USA quitting NATO if it allows Ukraine to gain membership. The US can rejoin after Trump passes for the win.

If that were the scenario, I'm not too sure that NATO would just allow us back in right away. Not without some guarantee that we're not gonna keep bouncing back and forth between "like NATO" and "hate NATO".

 

[Muse]

Nope. US will divide after Trump and will become Soviet Union 1991 2.0

That would probably require The Great Depression redux to happen.

 

[Muse]

If that were the scenario, I'm not too sure that NATO would just allow us back in right away. Not without some guarantee that we're not gonna keep bouncing back and forth between "like NATO" and "hate NATO".

A positive development that. The USA needs a good slap on the hand after what we've been seeing since Nov. 6, 2024.

 

[pcgeek11]

I firmly believe that any talks of ceasefire should include Ukraine as the primary participant holding absolute veto power over any and all agreements.

 

[DZero]

I firmly believe that any talks of ceasefire should include Ukraine as the primary participant holding absolute veto power over any and all agreements.

Indeed, but as far we see is more a Russia and US friendly talk and ignoring the rest, including Ukraine, Europe and China.

Sounds like an alliance in the shadows to screw all of them.

 

[pcgeek11]

But it's not just some people on the internet. Their parliament is considering banning them.

That comment wasn't about Germany's problems.
It was about the impotent flailing around in this forum where everybody that doesn't agree with the echo chamber is called a Nazi....

The damn word has been so overused it has no real meaning.

 

[Amused]

I firmly believe that any talks of ceasefire should include Ukraine as the primary participant holding absolute veto power over any and all agreements.

Wanna know why that's not happening? Because Trump and Putin will "reach an agreement." When Ukraine rejects it, Trump will claim Ukraine is the instigator and attempt to align the US against Ukraine with Russia as the US ally.

Watch.

 

[DZero]

That comment wasn't about Germany's problems.
It was about the impotent flailing around in this forum where everybody that doesn't agree with the echo chamber is called a Nazi....

The damn word has been so overused it has no real meaning.

Indeed, but we need to say the truth: there are anarchists here and wants democracy out. And Trump is clearly one of them.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Wanna know why that's not happening? Because Trump and Putin will "reach an agreement." When Ukraine rejects it, Trump will claim Ukraine is the instigator and attempt to align the US against Ukraine with Russia as the US ally.

Watch.

Most likely, with Russia and the US making 'agreements' on how to split whatever's left available in Ukraine.

 

[pcgeek11]

Wanna know why that's not happening? Because Trump and Putin will "reach an agreement." When Ukraine rejects it, Trump will claim Ukraine is the instigator and attempt to align the US against Ukraine with Russia as the US ally.

Watch.

Crystal Ball?

 

[Brainonska511]

Most likely, with Russia and the US making 'agreements' on how to split whatever's left available in Ukraine.

I think I saw this play before... Molotov–Ribbentrop

 

[DZero]

Wanna know why that's not happening? Because Trump and Putin will "reach an agreement." When Ukraine rejects it, Trump will claim Ukraine is the instigator and attempt to align the US against Ukraine with Russia as the US ally.

Watch.

The issue?
Europe will likely side with Ukraine in most countries. China will see this negotiations as sus.

Consequences?
- Trump will say to withdraw NATO
- NATO Countries who used millions making their army stronger will see that US is no trustable and will break their relationships
- Meanwhile China and India will talk with Russia what are they doing, so in case of betrayal... well, China might survive some time while India would be screwed.