Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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K1052

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It’s really upsetting to me that these atrocities aren’t regularly being reported very prominently if at all by mainstream media that I’ve seen.

It's hard to get attention for stuff like this when the Russians are blowing up apartment buildings with glide bombs on a daily basis. Russian violence against civilians is as expected as it is predictable.
 

Jaskalas

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I suppose there's worse ways to go in this war than just dying sitting down in a truck with no idea what happened.

Fuck that's senseless.
Over 1,000 Russians every day.
If we wonder why Ukraine is struggling. It is due to the sheer attrition of needing to bomb that many people 24/7. Having to maintain supplies and troops for this task is not easy. Especially when the enemy can fire back.

NATO expected to use nuclear weapons. We never prepared for a conventional war on this scale. It is a struggle to convince our people to do what is right and necessary to secure victory. Especially if we pretend that we are not at war with Russia.
 
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brycejones

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Yeah in the event of a conventional Soviet attack there were decent odds NATO could repel it. Plan B however was major use of tactical nukes in Germany if overwhelmed.
I get the we’re losing and throwing shit at wall usage of nukes. Jaskalas makes it sound like it was the primary strategy though which is just bs.

Also the Russian invasion of Ukraine is much smaller than the red horde flowing through the Fulda gap would have been.
 

Pens1566

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Primary plan for cold war invasion from Warsaw Pact was always the pre-deployed units to act as a temp blocking force and jam up the key points (fulda) long enough for superior air power to melt everything.

Saying that nukes were in the plan is a bit disingenuous ... they're always the "oh shit, we're being swamped" plan.
 
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kage69

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The blockers were to melt things too. Nukes were part of the delaying plan actually, see Atomic Battle Groups in West Germany, Korea. Tactical nuclear weapons use got moved to the squad level. (!)

We sent them thousands of "Davie Crocketts" for this purpose. Equivalent to .01-.02 kilotons of TNT, kills everything within a quarter mile of impact. Germany would have turned the Fulda into a massive graveyard.
 

brycejones

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The blockers were to melt things too. Nukes were part of the delaying plan actually, see Atomic Battle Groups in West Germany, Korea. Tactical nuclear weapons use got moved to the squad level. (!)

We sent them thousands of "Davie Crocketts" for this purpose. Equivalent to .01-.02 kilotons of TNT, kills everything within a quarter mile of impact. Germany would have turned the Fulda into a massive graveyard.
Yeah but the Crocketts were retired by 1971.
 

balloonshark

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Did Ukraine hit another ammo depot yesterday with 120+ drones. Not sure of my sources so I won't post a link.
 

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kage69

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Yeah but the Crocketts were retired by 1971.

And? They helped ensure West Germany's safety for a decade, then were replaced with better abilities.

It was still a 'delay the horde' game plan that involved nukes, rather than a 'red line' emergency where hundreds of MIRVs would be raining down.
 

brycejones

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Our inability to supply Ukraine should be self evident that we never prepared for a full scale war with Russia.
Since 1990? Maybe, but we also have many more capabilities to bring to the table than Ukraine ever did.

And no we were never going to give them hundreds of planes and thousands of tanks. A full scale war between NATO and Putin's Russia would have been a much shorter war.
 
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kage69

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AFU may have bagged sixty Kinzhal missiles yesterday during a drone attack on Eysk, across from Mariupol. If that's true, ouch. Pricey hit. Someone might get tossed out a window for that one.

Ukraine says they sent 120 drones at the camp and airfield. Russia says they shot down 125, heh.

🤞 for more details in the coming days
 

kage69

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The last of the Dutch Vipers were officially retired last Friday.

24 of those Fokkers should be on the way to Ukraine at some point!
 
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kage69

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Gave me a laugh. Remember, they poisoned this mans wife.


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He should probably stop going out on missions with his guys though. That's cool when you're a colonel or a general who used to be infantry, but the Chief of Intelligence? C'mon now. All it takes is one lucky drone.
 
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Jaskalas

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Article is cut short for me, but there's enough to tell the tale and deliver the sentiment.
This war of attrition is a cruelty that we perpetuate by not doing our part to end it.
We do just enough to pat ourselves on the back as the Ukrainians die for their liberty over the military tyranny of the East.
Future conflicts with Russia and China are going to be wildly more difficult if we start this global war by losing on the European front.
The breadbasket of Europe SHOULD NOT be allowed to fall into enemy hands.

The Abandonment of Ukraine

On a recent trip to Ukraine, we walked through the rubble of a children’s hospital in Kyiv targeted by the Russians, toured an apartment building in Kharkiv where floor after floor had been destroyed by Russian missiles, and visited the front lines to meet with soldiers who spoke of the brutality of Russian human-wave tactics. But the most unsettling thing we saw was the American strategy in Ukraine, one that gives the Ukrainian people just enough military aid not to lose their war but not enough to win it. This strategy is slowly bleeding Ukraine, and its people, to death.
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In Kharkiv, we met with a group of Ukrainian combat veterans. Before the war, Victoria Honcharuk, a 24-year-old medic, lived in the United States, where she’d been accepted to a graduate program at Harvard while working in New York City in investment banking. When war broke out in February 2022, she left that life behind and returned home to defend her country. Her unit of medics, composed entirely of volunteers, draws no pay. Approximately half of the friends she began service with have been killed or wounded.
 
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kage69

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Kinzhal story must be bunk. Damnit. Those things are flown up by Mig-31s.

Eysk is home to the 859th Centre for Combat Application and Crew Training for Naval Aviation. No Mig-31s apparently, looks like as of 2019 it's been Su-33, Su-30SM, MiG-29K/KUB, Su-25UTG, L-39ZA, Il-38N, Il-20, An-140-100, An-26, Ka-27PL, Ka-28, and Ka-29.

AFU probably going after support/fuel facilities? There's more scuttlebutt saying General Alexander Dvornikov was there at the time and was killed. He's the butcher who bombed breadlines in Aleppo. Sounds like the Kinzhals; too good to be true.
 
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Artorias

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We are soon approaching 3 years. Crazy how time fly's.

Are we closer to the end or the beginning of the war?
 

RnR_au

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We are soon approaching 3 years. Crazy how time fly's.

Are we closer to the end or the beginning of the war?
Closer to the end according to some. It's possible that the Russian economy will be running out of puff from the mid to late 2025. So you can kinda disregard what it going on on the battle front and just try to follow the Russian currency and stock markets.

As long as Ukraine is not being steam rolled, as long as Ukraine is still hurting Russian interior targets, Ukraine has no reason to surrender.

However Russia gets more and more reasons to find a narrative for it to leave the battlefield.
 

trenchfoot

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Closer to the end according to some. It's possible that the Russian economy will be running out of puff from the mid to late 2025. So you can kinda disregard what it going on on the battle front and just try to follow the Russian currency and stock markets.

As long as Ukraine is not being steam rolled, as long as Ukraine is still hurting Russian interior targets, Ukraine has no reason to surrender.

However Russia gets more and more reasons to find a narrative for it to leave the battlefield.

It seems the larger issue that influences the outcome of the war is just how long can Putin hold off the people of Russia from getting too fed up with the continuing loss of it's future investment in their youth that are being sent to their slaughter by the hundreds on a daily basis and get brave and daring enough to lose their fear of Putin's head hunters, thus triggering a mass protest that'd be too big to suppress by lethal force. Methinks that tipping point is much nearer than it is farther down the road.
 

Dave_5k

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Attrition is rough on both sides right now. My random thoughts:
- Russia has well over 3x the population to throw at meat grinder (and has been using it), it takes consistent >>3:1 losses for Ukraine just to keep up
- And most of the fighting is on Ukraine soil, limited deep strikes by Ukraine are just a fraction of those sent in daily by Russia into smaller Ukraine. Which results in far more damage to Ukrainian civilian population, infrastructure, and gutting of the Ukraine economy.
- Winter this year will be quite rough for Ukraine given non-stop Russian missile and drone barrages targeting combined heat/power stations in every Ukrainian city.

Foreign supply lines are actually keeping both countries war efforts going now, not just Ukraine (besides Iranian drones/missiles, and North Korea ammunition, far bigger impact for Russia has been the multiple $ billions in chips, tools, and other dual use military assistance purchased from China since the start of war, keeping Russia's military industries running when they otherwise would have failed by now)
 
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