Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Ajay

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They have. Close to 1:8 ratio last time this was discussed.

I'm just wondering if this isn't part of a wider tactical maneuver from the Ukrainian side. Usually you start with the psyops. Encourage the Russians to commit to this front, and 'give up' Soledar and Bakhmut because shortly Russia won't be able to supply those area's and will have to pull out anyways.
What the heck are the Russians doing; charging Ukrainian machine-gun positions with nothing but their dicks in their hands??
 

Bitek

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There is lots of misinformation online, but what I've been able to glean is that the area is under heavy attack, Ukrainians are being pushed back while inflicting heavy casualties on the RU forces (for weeks/months now) but are nearly to a point retreat must be considered.

Artillery ammo shortages are a significant factor for the UA defense.

For the RU side, it's been meat wave after wave. Not the town is that critical strategically, but this is politics of the Wagner group showing they can be effective vs the disaster of a fall campaign for the R army.


For the West, were are fooling ourselves if we think the Russian army isn't dangerous and destined to lose. As many conflicts in the past, they will make absurd demands, make insane and bloody sacrifices, but still hold out for measures of concessions they know the soft West will give. That's the reward and incentive they expect, and will get them to fight the next war.

We have to do more quicker. Hasn't changed since Feb 2022. New weapons are good, but also ammo production will be a major factor.
 
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Bitek

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What the heck are the Russians doing; charging Ukrainian machine-gun positions with nothing but their dicks in their hands??

Orcs are an apt description. It's like the battle of Gondor, and himars have been the army of the dead.

Unfortunately, they keep streaming in from Mordor and the Ukrainians are running low on magic, and assassinating Sauron's ring will result in nuclear strikes.
 
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Bitek

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I guess that makes Zelinski Aragorn, USA the Rohirrim (maga is worm tongue), Germans are the elves, I'll say the Brits are the dwarves and the hobbits I guess are French.

Biden can be Gandalf. He's old enough.
 
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Meghan54

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Oh, thank's. They're are some great tips. Will try and remembers that.

And admittedly, I am an old cranky mf’er, but I was raised by a father who demanded strict adherence to whatever (patriotism, education, neatness, deference to superiors, and on and on—-he was Annapolis ‘52 and mech engineer—-too frightening a combo to imagine), and a teacher—-Mom was Penn grad, ‘52, with edu degree. I still have a compulsion for perfect grammar and I sadly dumped on you.

I apologize.
 
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Jaskalas

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What the heck are the Russians doing; charging Ukrainian machine-gun positions with nothing but their dicks in their hands??

They used prisoners to do that.
Russians absolutely do not value human life. The cost means nothing to them. Absolutely nothing. So long as it is "someone else" dying.
 

Homerboy

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This kind of bugs me. I am a Patriot - I look back to all we've accomplished along the way from being a colony of GBR to a great nation in our own right and I am proud. I'm thankful for all those who've given their lives to get us to this point, even if some wars were completely idiotic for us to be in. Yes, getting here has left terrible scars in the memories of blacks and native North American people, etc and it seems almost impossible to overcome. But when has it ever been a clean and tidy business to build a nation as large as ours? Nowhere and never. I get tired of people who live in a bubble of a 30, 40 or 50 year old history.

The ultra nationalists, the blood and soil types, the Neo Nazis, the extreme racists - they can call themselves whatever they want, but they are not patriots. They live in another bubble in the past that "ist perfekt". They can all take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned. And, I do not care to be associated with them in anyway. //rant

It bugs me too. They've dragged good things into the ground with them. Honestly, its embarrassing to fly the American flag at this point as I think most people see it as one of these crazy PaTrIoTs showing their love of country and Trump. That's a sad state of affairs.
 

IronWing

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And admittedly, I am an old cranky mf’er, but I was raised by a father who demanded strict adherence to whatever (patriotism, education, neatness, deference to superiors, and on and on—-he was Annapolis ‘52 and mech engineer—-too frightening a combo to imagine), and a teacher—-Mom was Penn grad, ‘52, with edu degree. I still have a compulsion for perfect grammar and I sadly dumped on you.

I apologize.
For your future use, a time saver:

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K1052

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Were I a major head of state I'd also deny foreknowledge of Putin planning a war that's turned into a giant embarrassing deadly fiasco and made everybody turn against Russia. Even if I knew about it...perhaps especially if I knew about it.
 

Leeea

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For your future use, a time saver:

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@Meghan54 may not be familiar with the trope:

the correct symbol is a right angled G oriented 45 degrees:



As for me, my English is quite poor. A case of both teachers and student not really caring.
 
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Leeea

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Suggestions that Russia might be targeting Soledar for safe storage in the tunnels:
 
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Leeea

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More reports on most of Soledar being taken:

Interesting how Putin declares orthodox Christmas holiday, and then launches a massive offensive to commemorate the occasion. Peace with the Russian Federation will always be a lie.
 

Leeea

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Multiple reports a Russian Naval boat was sunk Dnipro River Delta south of Kherson City. Russia and Ukraine are fighting for the islands in the delta.

Some reports claim cutter ( 200 feet-ish long ), others claim patrol boat ( 55 feet long ).
 
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