Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Leeea

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Russian lies*.

*It was a huge battle last night, multiple Ukrainian army units attempted breakouts, not necessarily out of the city, but linking up with themselves or with the factory district.

However, the city has not surrendered. The majority of it is now in Russian control however.


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Presidential Office confirms 36th Brigade Marines have broken through cordon

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The US still considers the embattled city of Mariupol to be contested and not completely under the control of Russian forces, a senior US defence official has said.
 
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K1052

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Probably M777 howitzers? I think if it were Paladins they would have described differently ~ at least mentioned they were self-propelled. But you never know. But I laughed also at the 40k shells.

Yeah maybe. Easier to fly those and let closer nations give the self propelled stuff.
 

fskimospy

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Probably M777 howitzers? I think if it were Paladins they would have described differently ~ at least mentioned they were self-propelled. But you never know. But I laughed also at the 40k shells.
I know 40k shells sounds like a lot, and it is, but it is shocking how fast you can go through ammunition in a serious battle.
 
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Dave_5k

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A small portion of the total that wasn't "properly" hidden behind completely invisible shell companies - where most of the big wealth is hidden. The US is now a top (ranked #2 in the world) destination for hiding assets. I wouldn't be overly surprised if there were more than $100 billion from Russia still hidden in completely anonymous US shell companies - and not identified or frozen.
 
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K1052

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Sounds like either the Ukrainians did hit it or they had a substantial accident, which is certainly not out of the question.
 
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Dave_5k

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Isnt that their flagship ship?
Yep, Project 1164 missile cruiser "Moskva" is the current flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

Edit: I searched but couldn't find any cost information on it as I was curious. For comparison, the US Ticonderoga class is about 1/3 smaller, with a unit cost of about $1 billion ~ but that was of course at inflated US shipbuilding costs. So maybe ending up in same ballpark given the extra tonnage.

Although I've read both of the remaining 2 Project 1164 "Slava"-class cruisers were also moved either into or near the Black Sea before invasion (at very least to the Med - to counter US fleet). Russia only has 3 of these cruisers in service. "The Moskva is the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet and Marshal Ustinov is the flagship of the Russian Northern Fleet. Varyag is the flagship of the Russian Pacific Fleet."
 
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zinfamous

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As a voluntary defensive alliance the take that NATO expansion is a cause of the war is utter bull shit. Russia started invading Ukraine in 2014 and hasn’t stopped. This time Putin decided he wanted the whole country and thought it would be easy. So far it hasn’t been. In fact including Ukraine in NATO was a non starter because of the ongoing conflict Ukraine had with Russia.

Trying to blame NATO for Russian expansionism is just self serving Russian propaganda designed to appeal to simple minded people.

also remember that Russia has always been welcome to join NATO if they want--they've just refused to accept the tenant about "not invading other sovereign nations."

That is something that Russia could never accept, and there is no mystery here. Anything Russia says about their grievances with NATO is just pure bald lies.
 
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How does a supposed 'world military power' have such a seemingly small navy?

Many pages back somebody commented on where their subs were, then IF there are any.
 

IronWing

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A small portion of the total that wasn't "properly" hidden behind completely invisible shell companies - where most of the big wealth is hidden. The US is now a top (ranked #2 in the world) destination for hiding assets. I wouldn't be overly surprised if there were more than $100 billion from Russia still hidden in completely anonymous US shell companies - and not identified or frozen.
In some states, it is a criminal offense to reveal the names of the owners of LLCs.
 

zinfamous

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Satellites have caught the Russians with large field depots readying forces for the next push.

Is a single switchblade drone powerful enough to take out a field ammo depot? I can't imagine those things are reinforced enough, eh? I guess they don't have enough range to reach them?
 
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also remember that Russia has always been welcome to join NATO if they want--they've just refused to accept the tenant about "not invading other sovereign nations."

That is something that Russia could never accept, and there is no mystery here. Anything Russia says about their grievances with NATO is just pure bald lies.

Tell me more about this "tenet" of NATO membership.
 
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