Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[Indus]

AFU been taking a lot of prisoners lately.


Which makes sense when you consider orcs live like animals under sadistic farmers. Food, water, ammo and fuel have all become rarities in large swaths of occupied Ukraine, and of course they are hunted by drones 24/7. That's not sustainable. Russia has lost the ability to conduct mechanized and armored assaults for the most part, even basic technicals and golf carts have dried up. All they can do at this point is throw company sized and smaller elements of poorly equipped infantry with low morale. Unsurprisingly, these don't hold up well to a skilled enemy with ever present battlefield awareness and millions of drones.


Yup, it's turned into a real shit show for Putin. He does a good job of pretending otherwise, but I'm sure watching his country crumble for the second time while Ukraine gets stronger is pretty much a living nightmare for him.

How wonderful.

I'm beginning to think one of Russkie's ops is to run gore sites as they keep posting how they're killing ukrainains.. but not any of the opposite.

Yes I got curious over the charlie kirk shooting and had a look but it's a total Russkie pro trump right wingsite op.. all of them.

 

[Brovane]

Europe knows full well, that the United States has abandoned western civilization.

French general says Russia’s provocations will go unpunished as NATO weakened by US withdrawal from Europe​

"The real problem, and Putin knows this well, is that NATO is a coalition. And when you want to intervene, you need unanimity. Vladimir Putin has unity in decision-making because he is the only one who makes decisions, he acts much faster. Because a coalition always involves discussion, it is always more difficult to make decisions. Who in this case will make the decision to shoot down a Russian plane?" the general muses.​

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He recalled Turkey's reaction to a Russian plane flying over its territory in November 2015. The Su-24 plane, which violated its airspace for 15 seconds, was shot down.​

Later Turkey expressed condolences for the shootdown in 2015 and arrested the officer involved in the shootdown.

The countries who airspace that is being violated will have "Rules of Engagement" as to how to respond to a Russian incursion. Usually aiming a target at the offending aircraft is usually enough to get their attention.

 

[kage69]

Later Turkey expressed condolences for the shootdown in 2015 and arrested the officer involved in the shootdown.

The countries who airspace that is being violated will have "Rules of Engagement" as to how to respond to a Russian incursion. Usually aiming a target at the offending aircraft is usually enough to get their attention.

Link?

The crew involved were detained over possible involvement in the coup attempt a year later, far as I can tell. Had nothing to do with shooting down of that Su-24M in 2015.

Turks were pretty pissed watching Putin and Assad get Israeli on Aleppo. Erdogan 'expressed regret' over the shoot down like a year later, and Moscow took that as an apology. The end.

 

[cytg111]

Later Turkey expressed condolences for the shootdown in 2015 and arrested the officer involved in the shootdown.

The countries who airspace that is being violated will have "Rules of Engagement" as to how to respond to a Russian incursion. Usually aiming a target at the offending aircraft is usually enough to get their attention.

I was actually thinking about 2015 incident today... thats what need doing

 

[Brovane]

Link?

The crew involved were detained over possible involvement in the coup attempt a year later, far as I can tell. Had nothing to do with shooting down of that Su-24M in 2015.

Turks were pretty pissed watching Putin and Assad get Israeli on Aleppo. Erdogan 'expressed regret' over the shoot down like a year later, and Moscow took that as an apology. The end.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/6/27/erdogan-sorry-for-downing-of-russian-jet

https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-pilots-who-downed-russian-jet-detained-erdogan-101899 I am sure it was just a coincidence they where accused of involvement in the coup.

 

[kage69]

I have no problem believing the coup attempt bothered Erdogan a lot more than a few months of Putin not talking to him.

Doesn't seem like anything came of it all, beyond resumption of Russians vacationing and some trade normalization, which was the intent most likely.

One of those detained aviators is now doing security for Devlet Bahçeli, head of the MHP. Guess he wasn't corrupted by the evils of Pennsylvania.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Might be taking out my ass here, but isn't a potential issue that Article 5 is a defense pact, not a war pact.

If Russia provokes a member state into shooting down it's plane and then declaring that an act of war, other member states would not be obligated to assist since the NATO country would technically be the aggressor in that situation, no?

 

[RnR_au]

i wonder if going by signed contracts is accurate. Considering Russia just kidnaps tourists and vatnicks off the streets and shoves them into the meat wagons to make their best army, how are they supposed to accurately count these numbers?

I believe the numbers are from Russian paper work. The Russian press gangs would have quotas and would report all their successes to their superiors and so on upwards. At some point the numbers are collated, adjusted, padded and inflated before being submitted to the decision makers.

The tourists are forced to sign contracts. They might not be paid, but the contract is signed. There were reports earlier of Russian citizens getting notified on their phones that they had signed a contract for the SMO. When the citizen contacted the recruitment office informing them of this error, they were told "Sorry, but we can't cancel the contract".

All are 'volunteers' for some meaning, including zero, of 'volunteer'. All have a contract in the system whether they signed it or not.

 

[RnR_au]

If Russia provokes a member state into shooting down it's plane and then declaring that an act of war, other member states would not be obligated to assist since the NATO country would technically be the aggressor in that situation, no?

The initial provocation would make Russia the aggressor. If Russia continues to escalate, which I think they will do, at some point the NATO members would get together and draw a line. On stepping over that line, buttons gets pressed and highspeed ammo starts flying towards Russian targets.

Russia would be given a warning before this happens.

I saw on the news this morning that Trump have said that the USA would defend Poland if they get attacked. Have to try to find a linky...

Edit: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/...-and-baltic-states-if-russia-keeps-escalating

 

[you2]

Might be taking out my ass here, but isn't a potential issue that Article 5 is a defense pact, not a war pact.

If Russia provokes a member state into shooting down it's plane and then declaring that an act of war, other member states would not be obligated to assist since the NATO country would technically be the aggressor in that situation, no?

Depends; is flying a jet fighter over a country's territory an act of war ?

 

[RnR_au]

Some more recruitment numbers from Russia...



Source - although I don't support his notion that Russia is planning an invasion of Europe any time soon.

 

[Jaskalas]

Russia would be given a warning before this happens.

Speaking of which...

Poland to Russia: ‘You have been warned’ so don’t ‘whine’ if your jets are shot down in NATO airspace​

Radosław Sikorski upbraids Moscow for being “incapable of living in peace” with its neighbors following a series of incursions into NATO airspace. ​

 

[you2]

Speaking of which...

Poland to Russia: ‘You have been warned’ so don’t ‘whine’ if your jets are shot down in NATO airspace​

Radosław Sikorski upbraids Moscow for being “incapable of living in peace” with its neighbors following a series of incursions into NATO airspace. ​

Yes and i expect russia to suffer a couple of shot down planes and to whine very loudly but otherwise not do much. Still lets see what actually happens in the next few weeks.

 

[cytg111]

What is he going to do? Open another front? He can barely maintain status quo in Ukraine to the tune of 1000 mobiks per day... He is hemorrhaging meat sticks.
It would have to be tactical.

 

[K1052]

Yes and i expect russia to suffer a couple of shot down planes and to whine very loudly but otherwise not do much. Still lets see what actually happens in the next few weeks.

As much as I'd prefer not to have a war with Russia watching E-3s and F-35s exterminate the VKS would be very gratifying.

 

[Pens1566]

What is he going to do? Open another front? He can barely maintain status quo in Ukraine to the tune of 1000 mobiks per day... He is hemorrhaging meat sticks.
It would have to be tactical.

I would welcome this if it were to come true. Not cheering for Polish casualties, but more for the absolute punishment that they would unleash on the Russians.

 

[Pens1566]

As much as I'd prefer not to have a war with Russia watching E-3s and F-35s exterminate the VKS would be very gratifying.

It is what they were "born" to do.

 

[Drach]

 

[Roger Wilco]

LMAFO what in the living fuck is happening

 

[hal2kilo]

LMAFO what in the living fuck is happening

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But fuck all from the US, huh?

 

[Brovane]

But fuck all from the US, huh?

What this probably means is no "free" aid from the US. Cash and carry basis only.

 

[pauldun170]

LMAFO what in the living fuck is happening

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Trump did not write that.

What that is saying is that this the European Unions problem and as that the EU members who are members of NATO are free to buy US munitions to support that end.

Summary: Worlds largest arms dealer will be happy to make a buck off the Ukraine/Russia conflict.
Disclaimer: The United States does not honor its word and the arms supply spigot could be turned off tomorrow.

 

[cytg111]

Guess Putin forgot the lube in Alaska

That break up letter is going to put Tulsi in an akward position.

 

[K1052]

Salavat refinery once again hosted guests. Reports indicate the primary crude oil distillation complex was hit, putting the entire facility offline.

Indications also that fuel shortages are spreading to more regions of Russia.

https://bsky.app/profile/noelreports.com%2Fpost%2F3lzksrcp6rc2k

 

[K1052]

Trump did not write that.

What that is saying is that this the European Unions problem and as that the EU members who are members of NATO are free to buy US munitions to support that end.

Summary: Worlds largest arms dealer will be happy to make a buck off the Ukraine/Russia conflict.
Disclaimer: The United States does not honor its word and the arms supply spigot could be turned off tomorrow.

The main job for Ukraine and the Euros is to keep Trump mostly sidelined from helping Putin and to keep the arms flowing to Ukraine. So far they have mostly accomplished this though it is an ongoing project.