And remember Trump/vance did not give ukraine a damn thing they are taking credits for others generosity.
Brainonska511
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Probably need some serious structural changes internally before the world would trust us again, and it will never rise back up to where it was. Other people are tired of internal US politics being externalized onto the rest of the world.
HomerJS
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Russia is putting out Pete Hegseth has stopped all activity by US Cyber Command against Russia. This is coming from Russian media so take it with a grain of salt for now. However not the first time Trump released news to the Russians before even our own media. Remember 1st term Oval Office visit by Russia.
news-pravda.com
The United States reported that Hegset ordered a halt to cyber activity against Russia.
The head of the Pentagon, Pete Hegseth, ordered the US Cyber Command to stop all activities against Russia, including offensive cyber operations, the American profile publication Record writes, citing sources. "Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth last week...
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silverspaceship
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Well, if until now the idea of developing our own nuclear weapons seemed unlikely—particularly because our allies would hardly allow us to do so—then now I believe we have every possibility.
Jaskalas
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- Jun 23, 2004
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No one living will ever trust the US again.
In fact, the Pentagon is now standing down all efforts against Russia.
US and Russia are Allied now.
Hegseth orders Cyber Command to stand down on Russia
RnR_au
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If you want to see what the Silicon Valley thinks of Trump's performance;
From my brief skim it seems to be a near universal feeling of aghast.
From my brief skim it seems to be a near universal feeling of aghast.
HomerJS
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I saw the same thing but can't find any MSM reporting. What's going on? Seems Russian media have the story
- Jul 11, 2001
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Lincoln Project guy is hell of pissed off!
Can NATO kick the USA out? Best case scenario right now. Zelensky should say no dice unless Ukraine becomes NATO member. I can't see any other way this works out. Trump and Vance are utterly irredeemable.
Jaskalas
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No, NATO is dead and gone.
Europe must chart its own course with its own Alliance. They can stand united or fall divided as the Russian invasion is backed by the United States.
feralkid
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Elect stupid people, win global re-alignment not in your favor.
Trump is an asshole. Trump did not make this country strong. He was handed a strong country and is slowly dismantling it.
This reminds me of Glass Onion where at the end Beumont Blanc is like ‘this is so dumb’. Someone else is like ‘so dumb it’s brilliant?!’ And he is like ‘no, its just dumb.’
Pontius Dilate
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Oh, it was an ambush. To give Trump and Republicans cover to do what they were always intending to do: abandon Ukraine and the rest of Europe and proceed to emulate Russian “leadership” here in the US.
But do go on about Lindsey. He is held in great respect by … well … do go on.
GodisanAtheist
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How does NATO functionally work?
Can the EU basically co-opt or rapidly build up a side-rail system, only without US involvement so when NATO inevitably collapses they already have something up and running? Or is the whole thing so heavily dependent on US involvement that such a thing cannot be orchestrated?
I know everything will happen at the speed of government but EU is staring at an existential black hole right now, time for some daring maneuvers.
I'm curious when the US troop withdrawals from Europe begin...
Can the EU basically co-opt or rapidly build up a side-rail system, only without US involvement so when NATO inevitably collapses they already have something up and running? Or is the whole thing so heavily dependent on US involvement that such a thing cannot be orchestrated?
I know everything will happen at the speed of government but EU is staring at an existential black hole right now, time for some daring maneuvers.
I'm curious when the US troop withdrawals from Europe begin...
Personally I think Trump ambushed zelensky; while he (trump) would love a political win he has no understanding or intention of halting russian aggression. I don't know if Trump will go so far as to sell weapons to Russia but it would not shock me if he will attempt to do so.
cytg111
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Ooooh there it is.. "We will talk about security guarantees later". So the current deal that was to be signed were just to fork over 500b in lithium to Elmo for nothing in return. It was a fucking shakedown.
dainthomas
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At least spring is almost here so they hopefully have time before next winter to secure some more help.
zzyzxroad
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This was an intestinal distraction from the budget they are trying to pass. Welcome to the United States of Ameligarchy.
Jaskalas
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Correct.
It was to hand over half of Ukraine in exchange for NOTHING.
UNCjigga
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kage69
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Ha, well said NewYorkTime's Pitchbot:
"Volodymyr Zelensky's Oval Office visit ended early when Donald Trump and JD Vance began angrily yelling at him. Here's why women like Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton are too emotional to be president."
At least the Ukrainians know how to pick a leader, and keep him. I did enjoy seeing how the entire parliament told Putin and his lapdogs to eat a bag of democratic dicks the other day. Still, always funny to hear demands for democracy from an insurrectionist and a dictator, one who conducts elections at gunpoint. Get fucked assholes.
"Volodymyr Zelensky's Oval Office visit ended early when Donald Trump and JD Vance began angrily yelling at him. Here's why women like Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton are too emotional to be president."
At least the Ukrainians know how to pick a leader, and keep him. I did enjoy seeing how the entire parliament told Putin and his lapdogs to eat a bag of democratic dicks the other day. Still, always funny to hear demands for democracy from an insurrectionist and a dictator, one who conducts elections at gunpoint. Get fucked assholes.
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kage69
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