Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[kage69]

So Ukraine has put guns and ballistic computer powered sights on those seababy USVs. Made some Russians in the Kerch Bay not have a good time.

Apparently they've damaged fast movers and riddled at least one Mi-8 to the point crew/passengers were KIA.

23mm? 14.5mm maybe? Would they go as low as 7.62? Idk but I'm diggin the wee gun boat concept. Get some.

 

[Jaskalas]

Probably helpful for negotiations to keep the principal intact. Russian compensation for the war is going to be tricky enough already.

Until Trump just hands that fund over to Putin on Jan 20th.
Better to destroy it now, before the enemy can have it.

 

[K1052]

Until Trump just hands that fund over to Putin on Jan 20th.
Better to destroy it now, before the enemy can have it.

The vast majority of the assets are in European control.

 

[you2]

Didn't ukraine hit an airbase or something today or yesterday ?

 

[balloonshark]

Regarding guns versus drones. It's been a while since I've watched this video but you all may find it interesting/fun.

 

[Drach]

Didn't ukraine hit an airbase or something today or yesterday ?

Yes. Ukraine hit Taganrog airbase.

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[K1052]

Yes. Ukraine hit Taganrog airbase.

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Plus what appears to be a very large drone attack on targets in and around Sevastopol.

 

[kage69]

Seems AFU crew in a Polish Krab just pulled off the longest recorded artillery hit in recorded combat, took out something Russian at 70km with a Vulcano GLR 155mm round. Hopefully we get to see some footage of it at some point, at least find out what the target was.

Good shoot

Leonardo's missile-esque Vulcano

 

[Brovane]

Excellent video by Chris Cappy for the Spare Parts Army. He gets permission by Ukraine to go into the Kursk region that Ukraine currently controls and interview a lot of soldiers on the frontlines. Very interesting perspective. I was not aware of previously the rotation system that Ukraine has setup to regularly rotate troops out of the frontlines. I though they where so pressed on manpower they where not able to do these rotations. Also interesting to listen to the Ukrainians views on western equipment.

Well worth watching for 1-hour. Gives you a lot better perspective than I have seen from any journalist.

 

[William Gaatjes]

The Feudal Age died in Europe a fair while back for the betterment of human kind. The rise of the middle class (thanks to the Black Death) gave us the Renaissance and the Industrial revolution. It also gave rise to America, as the middle class had the means to buy passage to the new colonies.

Your statement... "the peasants had a good life" is woefully ignorant. There was no democracy. There was no welfare system. There was no middle class. They were virtual slaves bound to their ruler (owner) and parcel of land for their entire lives.

Perhaps this was the general consensus. But not everywhere.
You forget there are a whole lot of human beings that are kind and we are perfectly capable of a having a social system even though we can still be more Barbarian than Conan will ever be.
Also there are many interesting articles explaining how changes in weather patterns because of seismic and volcanic activity can cause a riot because of famines and therefore an outcoming alike : A renaissance.

Anyway, The war must stop, or we get a mutual enemy. It is just a matter of statistics : The ultimate enemy is a weather pattern that is an extremely hostile environment to live in.

Read this article from Arstechnica and you can understand why humanity needs a social system with a lot of redundancy.
Because according to the writers of this article the renaissance happened faster and more aggressive because there was simply bad summers sequentially, one year, after the other year : The result was Famine.

This is a website that shows how the climate can change temporarily for a few years after severe.

When will the Earth try to kill us again?

Most mass extinctions began with vast convulsions of Earth’s interior—can we detect that?

arstechnica.com

Small excerpt from text :
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How the Earth will try to kill us again

Even if LIPs are the “smoking gun” behind most mass extinctions, that still doesn’t tell us how they killed animals. It wasn’t the lava. Despite the moniker—flood basalts—these are not raging torrents. You could probably out-walk the lava from a Large Igneous Province. As vast as they were, they flowed in much the same way as lava in Iceland or Hawaii flows today, with glistening orange and grey lobes swelling, stretching, and spilling to make new lobes. An advancing front will typically move at about a kilometer or two in a day (the average person can walk that distance in 30 minutes).

Unfortunately, gas is deadlier than lava.
The 1783-4 Laki eruption in Iceland gave us a tiny taste of what to expect from a LIP. It bathed Europe in an acid haze for five months, strong enough to burn throats and eyes, scorch vegetation and tarnish metal, to kill insects and even fish. That may be a killer, but, as far as science can tell, the haze from a LIP on its own is unlikely to be sufficient to cause a mass extinction. The climate effects of volcanic gases are deadlier still. Stratospheric sulfur from Laki cooled the planet by 1.3 degrees Celsius for three years, triggering one of the most severe winters on record in Europe, North America, Russia, and Japan. Famines ensued in many parts of the world, and that may have planted the seeds for the French Revolution five years later.
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This is a website maintained in Great Britain , it has weather history all the way back to 1750.
If you look up the years 1780 till 1790 you notice extreme weatherpatterns and what the effects are on humanity ,local and global :

Weather in History 1750 to 1799 AD

premium.weatherweb.net

Small excerpt from text :
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1782 (September & October)				A great fall of snow across NE Scotland (" the black aughty-twa ") on September 15th & again on October 31st - oat crops ruined and it was Christmas before the crop was cut - and even then it was only fit for cattle feed. The resultant dearth of food led the Duke of Gordon to give his tenants a rebate on rents, or extended time to pay them.	1
Summer 1783 to late winter 1783/84				Icelandic volcanic eruption (Laki): Primary eruptions (five) from June 8th to July 8th, 1783 (60% of the total volume of ejection), but minor eruptions occurred until early February, 1784. A major event, with huge production of sulphur & acid products, as well as the largest production of lava in recorded history. The majority of emissions are thought to have been confined to the troposphere, but the initial ejections of each of the five major events did penetrate the tropopause and entered the stratosphere. The intense period of eruption tallied with contemporary reports across Europe of a blue haze or dry-fog in the atmosphere, damage to vegetation and occurrence of respiratory problems (later analysis suggests that the mortality due to the sulphur-based haze was counted in tens of thousands dead): the effects noted at the time throughout summer & autumn. These effects are consistent with increased atmospheric loading of acid aerosols, particularly sulphates. Because of the (suspected) lack of major stratospheric impact, there is controversy surrounding this event: For Iceland itself, the following winter (1783/84) was known as the 'Famine Winter': 25% of the population died (many from wet and dry deposition of acidic pollutants). Note, there is still some argument as to whether this led to changes to the regional/European climate in the years 1783, 1784 etc., and / or by how much.	(var, VOLC)
late Winter / early Spring 1783/1784				January to April 1784 ... notably cold, and persistently so by CET series. In particular, the winter (1783 December - 1784 February) CET=1.2degC, some 2.5C below the all-series average. The Thames was completely frozen in February and traffic crossed on the ice. (LW) In Scotland, the period around and after Christmas was bitterly cold with a 'violent' easterly storm 25th/26th December, which caused havoc along the Scottish east coast, and brought a large amount of snow which drifted significantly. (NB: the following winter/1784-85 was also about 1degC colder than average. This has been attributed to the Laki eruption event but there is some doubt about this - see above.) 2nd/3rd January: Scotland - a severe snowstorm affecting at least the Aberdeen area, with much drifting. Drifts were reported to have reached around 5 or 6 metres in Aberdeenshire, seriously dislocating travel. Houses all down the eastern side of Scotland were unroofed, rocks were blown into harbours on the east coast, and stacks of corn & hay were carried away. Reports from Edinburgh suggest that widespread bad conditions occurred elsewhere.	CET, 8, 23
Summer 1783				1. Hot dry weather set in during June after continual rains. The fine weather was marred until 20th July or later by persistent thick smoky haze and pall, apparently from an Iceland volcano [ see above ]. Overall though, noted as a 'warm' summer (London/South). 2. July 1783 was a notably warm month (in the CET series), not only for July but for any summer month. The value of 18.8degC represents an anomaly of +2.9C over the all-series mean, placing it second warmest in the July lists, and also making it the fourth warmest any named month in that series (which starts in 1659.) [ The other summer months, June and August, were above-average, but by half-a-degree or less, so nothing special. ] 3. A 'high-summer' noteworthy for it's thunderstorm activity. There is a possible link with the high pollution (atmospheric aerosols) due to the 'Laki' eruption.	6, 8, CET
1783 (autumn)				Foggy 26th September to 6th October (London/South).	8
1783/84 & 1784/85 (winters)				Two successive severe winters occurred in these years; in both winters the Thames was completely frozen for a short period, with navigation affected for much longer periods. In 1783/84, almost continuous frost from late December 1783 to late February 1784. In 1784/85, frost/snow from early December 1784 to early January 1785, most of February and during the first half of March. Regarding the winter of 1784/85 in particular, in East Anglia (& more widely), the 'winter' season was regarded as extending from the first fall of snow in October (7th) to that which fell on April 4th. The whole period (apart from 12 days in January) had been frosty. Reports from southern Scotland also make mention of 'remarkable' snow & drifts during the winter, with the Spring notably frosty. Other reports from London & the south (LW) note a 'severe winter'. Frost & snow from early December to early January, most of February and during the first half of March. The Thames frozen solid at times and traffic crossed on the ice. The mean CET for the extended 'winter' period of December 1784 to March 1785 inclusive, was 1.3degC, nearly 3C below the all-series mean for that four-month period. In fact January 1785 in this series was just above average, so it could have been even worse! [ This has been attributed to the Laki eruption event but there is some doubt about this - see above.]	8, CET
1784-1786				Three successive cold years; heavy snow fell on the 25th October 1784 and there was snow on the 26th & 29th October 1785.	8
1784 (Annual & Summer)				In this cold year (in the 'top-10 coldest years in the CET record - see below), the summer was wet in London/South; sleet observed near coast of the Moray Firth in August & heavy snow (?London) on the 25th October. 1784 was a notably cold year; with a CET value of 7.8degC, this year falls within the 'top-10' of coldest years in this series (since 1659), and is approximately 2C below the modern-day average. In particular, the summer was consistently chilly. Each summer month (JJA) had a CET anomaly of at least (minus)0.5C, and August had an anomaly of -1.6C on the whole-series mean. (The 1780's were one of the coldest decades in the CET series & this year was the coldest within those 10 years. There was a notable sequence of three cold years, 1784-1786, where the annual mean for each year was over 1C below the modern-day average.)	6, 8, CET
1784 (October)				Following a dry September (EWP=41mm/~50% LTA), October 1784 was exceptionally dry using this same series, with a value of 16 mm, representing roughly 18% of the average, and placing it third driest for the month of October across England & Wales. Not only was it notably dry but it was cold; the CET value is quoted as 7.8degC, which gives an anomaly of roughly -2C on the all-series average. Snow fell in Suffolk on the 7th, at the start of a remarkably cold & dry spell that lasted right through the winter and spring of 1784/85.	CET, EWP & Earl Soham diary
January 1785				Over Scotland, around the middle two weeks of January, some severe snowstorms, followed by prolonged frosts - lasting into May in some areas. (Not necessarily continuous though!)

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[RnR_au]

Great post. Would ignore again 👍

 

[William Gaatjes]

If anybody would ever say : " Weather does not matter" in war time...

Think about the Russian winters and how during WW2 , how incredibly difficult it was for the Germans at the time to fight and move around on (USSR) Russian soil, after the month oktober 1941.
Layers of waist high snow, where Germans were wading through, popping Pervitin pills like M&M's to sort of stay warm.
Tanks and other vehicles that get stuck in the wet morrass.

Campain Barbossa :

Invasion of the Soviet Union, June 1941

On June 22, 1941, Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union. The surprise attack marked a turning point in the history of World War II and the Holocaust.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

That is one the reasons why (unmanned) drones are so popular : Extreme G-forces , humans cannot handle.


As a sidenote :
Did all of you knew that the Japanese kamikaze pilots were doped up with n-methylamphetamine ? The Japanese sort of discovered Ephedrine, think about research dates like 1887.
Perhaps also infamous example, Pearl Harbor. It could be possible that the Japanese pilots at the time were high a s hell on n-methylamphetamine.
Although Germany provided Pervitin for their soldiers, Great Britain and USA provided Benzedrine for their soldiers when they learned where the marching power from the Germans came from. But i doubt that a bit.
In the Vietnam war, there was also a lot of drug use by soldiers on both sides : It is a crazy thing in a crazy world.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Great post. Would ignore again 👍

If anybody would ever say : " Weather does not matter" in war time...

Think about the Russian winters and how during WW2 , how incredibly difficult it was for the Germans at the time to fight and move around on (USSR) Russian soil, after the month oktober 1941.
Layers of waist high snow, where Germans were wading through, popping Pervitin pills like M&M's to sort of stay warm.
Tanks and other vehicles that get stuck in the wet morrass.

Campain Barbossa :

Invasion of the Soviet Union, June 1941

On June 22, 1941, Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union. The surprise attack marked a turning point in the history of World War II and the Holocaust.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

That is one the reasons why (unmanned) drones are so popular : Extreme G-forces , humans cannot handle.


As a sidenote :
Did all of you knew that the Japanese kamikaze pilots were doped up with n-methylamphetamine ? The Japanese sort of discovered Ephedrine, think about research dates like 1887.
Perhaps also infamous example, Pearl Harbor. It could be possible that the Japanese pilots at the time were high a s hell on n-methylamphetamine.
Although Germany provided Pervitin for their soldiers, Great Britain and USA provided Benzedrine for their soldiers when they learned where the marching power from the Germans came from. But i doubt that a bit.
In the Vietnam war, there was also a lot of drug use by soldiers on both sides : It is a crazy thing in a crazy world.

 

[IronWing]

The US certainly provided amphetamines to the troops in Korea, I don’t know about WW2. Elvis’ speed addiction started during his tour of Korea with the drug provided by the military.

 

[hal2kilo]

Seems AFU crew in a Polish Krab just pulled off the longest recorded artillery hit in recorded combat, took out something Russian at 70km with a Vulcano GLR 155mm round. Hopefully we get to see some footage of it at some point, at least find out what the target was.

Good shoot

Leonardo's missile-esque Vulcano

Sure looks a lot like a Copperhead round. The company I used to work for Navigation division developed the GPS module that can take the massive G hit, and acquire an accurate track in about 2 seconds.

 

[kage69]

The US certainly provided amphetamines to the troops in Korea, I don’t know about WW2. Elvis’ speed addiction started during his tour of Korea with the drug provided by the military.

IIRC the only country that didn't use some kind of speed in WWII was Russia. They were fine with vodka I guess.

Germans had the Pervitin stuff, but I think US Army used an inhaler. I saw one at an antique shop once, got a story about it. Hell we still give amphetamines to pilots in combat I'm pretty sure.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

IIRC the only country that didn't use some kind of speed in WWII was Russia. They were fine with vodka I guess.

Germans had the Pervitin stuff, but I think US Army used an inhaler. I saw one at an antique shop once, got a story about it. Hell we still give amphetamines to pilots in combat I'm pretty sure.

Last I heard yes, wakey wakey pills for the long flights. They can sleep when they land.

 

[kage69]

🎶 It's beginning to look a lot like...Christmas


"The dominoes continue to fall in what remains of Russia’s manufacturing sector, with the entire Russian aviation industry now only producing as many aircraft in two years as the US does in three weeks, coming in with only 7 passenger aircraft built since its full-scale invasion of Ukraine, significantly missing its target of 108 planes by the end of 2024, according to a report by BBC News Russia."

"The sanctions have also led to a 30% increase in safety incidents involving passenger planes in 2024 compared to the previous year, raising concerns about flight safety due to inadequate aircraft maintenance. To circumvent sanctions, Russia has resorted to smuggling spare parts and procuring aviation software on the black market, though these measures are neither “completely reliable nor completely safe,” according to Alexander Lanetsky, CEO of civil aviation consultancy Friendly Avia Support."


I imagine the trains aren't doing great, but still probably safer than a Russian airliner.

 

[kage69]

Oh, you've got a scientist helping you modernize your dated weaponry?

No you don't *sad trombone*

"Shatsky served as the Deputy Chief Engineer and Head of the Functional Software Department at the Mars Design Bureau, a subsidiary of Russia's state-owned nuclear energy corporation Rosatom. He was instrumental in upgrading Kh-59 cruise missiles to the Kh-69 level. Colleagues regarded him as a key advocate for integrating artificial intelligence into drones and other aerial and space technologies in Russia."

"We remind everyone that any individual involved in the development of Russia’s military-industrial complex, thereby supporting Russian aggression against Ukraine, is a legitimate target for Ukraine’s Defense Forces," a source told NV.



So sad. Anyway...

 

[trenchfoot]

Well, I guess it's better than pretending it doesn't see you, or accepting RuMoD ain't giving you shit. Beats throwing your helmet or rifle at it. Still pretty ghetto though, and that's a rifled barrel too. I'm guessing the pellets all over the place after 20ft or so. All that plastic residue too, haha, yes every orc should be doing this

"Shotguns are the weapon of choice against drones, but the dark truth is mostly doesn’t work. Even with widespread use, it is difficult to hit a fast-moving target such as a drone. The problem is that many companies have taken it up. a wider spread may lower the inbound drone."

Issuing scatterguns alone doesn't really change much, the users have to be actually trained in how to use them. If you have never shot skeet or clay for any meaningful amount of time and find yourself facing Mavics? Yeah you're probably fucked. Someone who knows what they're doing, with the right ammo, and has time to get off shots? It can work.

If I had my druthers every AFU platoon level 'ghostbuster' would have a duck hunter with semi auto 12 bore as his personal perimeter safety detail. Hell give him a shotgun too.

Punt guns should work pretty good. Well, a bit of overkill there but those commercial duck hunters back in the day sure did love those behemoths.

 

[IronWing]

Punt guns should work pretty good. Well, a bit of overkill there but those commercial duck hunters back in the day sure did love those behemoths.

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He already labeled it, “CEO”, ahead of his time.

 

[K1052]

Oh, you've got a scientist helping you modernize your dated weaponry?

No you don't *sad trombone*

"Shatsky served as the Deputy Chief Engineer and Head of the Functional Software Department at the Mars Design Bureau, a subsidiary of Russia's state-owned nuclear energy corporation Rosatom. He was instrumental in upgrading Kh-59 cruise missiles to the Kh-69 level. Colleagues regarded him as a key advocate for integrating artificial intelligence into drones and other aerial and space technologies in Russia."

"We remind everyone that any individual involved in the development of Russia’s military-industrial complex, thereby supporting Russian aggression against Ukraine, is a legitimate target for Ukraine’s Defense Forces," a source told NV.



So sad. Anyway...

A whole lot of people are going to start waking up dead in Russia if Trump cuts off the weapons. I'm still not sure this has dawned on the Kremlin.

 

[K1052]

Ukraine has started assembly of the Bren 2. Full local production next year. They're gonna need a lot of guns to displace the AK platforms.

 

[you2]

On the raido i heard two things today (dec 13 2024): Last night Russia launched 200 drones and 100 missles at Ukraine energy sector (no clue how many hit) and Ukraine helped rebels overthrow Assad via supply drone and drone operators.

 

[kage69]

Yeah, Kyiv sent just twenty experienced drone operators and their hardware. I do believe the intel they provided to the rebels played a crucial roll in that speedy overthrow too. A real testament to what effective tactics and drones can accomplish, even at that scale.