Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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kage69

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Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs gives the ruzzian ambassador to the UN a history lesson.


An appropriate bitchslap for a terrorist state's bottom bitch, well said. The UN laughs at Lavrov like they laughed at Trump, only more frequently I guess. Gives me hope.

I know I've said it before but Ukraine is so lucky to have a neighbor like Poland. And now that Poland has gotten rid of some key right wing assholes that used to be in charge, the EU says 'Cool, here's that 137 billion EU that was on hold until you got back on the path.'

Should come in handy. Probably a lot of people over at Raytheon, Lockheed and Northrop Grumman experiencing severe, uncontrollable wood right now.




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kage69

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Ukraine should be receiving a large quantity of 155 from the EU in March I believe, right around the corner. Was supposed to be a million but I think it's going to be 600k now? Still an immense help, they should be able to stretch that batch out for awhile.

And then there's the Czechs who "found 800,000 artillery shells of 155 and 122 millimeter caliber for Ukraine. In the coming weeks, they may be sent to the Ukrainian army, states Petr Pavel, President of the Czech Republic."

The Lean Time will pass. By next year Ukraine should have several million rounds per year heading it's way from multiple foreign production centers, and then it's own plants will be operating more as well. I'm more interested in how Russia will replace it's shrinking supply of vintage Soviet airframes and naval vessels. Also, how many truck tires does it take to completely cover an A-50U? Been pondering that one a bit.
 
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It is amazing the extent to which their newer products are almost uniformly total garbage. Guess that's what happens when literally everyone is lying or stealing. They've even stopped talking about the T-14 while Putin on camera strolls a tank factory line and extolls T-90s as "the best tank in the world" lol. Mm...no thanks I'll take an M1A2 SEPv3 that has Trophy APS please.

Damn straight. A SEPV3 is the only tank I'd want to be in during a fight, also the last one I'd want to have to fight. I can't blame Yuri for running from them, I'd do the same thing if I was in his Adidas. Russians want people to think T-90 mimicking America's ammo locker confers Abrams like crew survivability. Problem is there are still multiple rounds in that auto loader. Maybe no turret toss, but when it gets lanced like a big metal pimple from 4km away something is still cooking off in the mangled crews' faces.

Russian APS is dogshit, also disabled if hatches are open IIRC. Isn't T-90M the only Russian tank with AC for the crew? I forget, but I know a tank with no AC in hot regions is going to have hatches open, like, always. Seems like that might be pertinent to certain African, Middle Eastern and Asian armies.
 
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Apparently the 120k rounds of 122mm ammo the Germans bought was found in Bulgaria, per German media.

They are also scouring the planet for shells including India:

https://kyivindependent.com/der-spiegel-germany-india-ammunition/

Germany is conducting "discreet negotiations" to procure artillery ammunition from India, which is estimated to have "several hundred thousand rounds" stored in stockpiles, Der Spiegel reported on Feb. 25.

The European Union's top diplomat, Josep Borrell, said on Feb. 19 that he has urged member states to procure ammunition for Ukraine outside the bloc if this source of supply is "better, cheaper, and quicker."

Kyiv is facing critical ammunition shortages, as $61 billion in funding from the U.S. remains stuck in Congress, causing defense aid deliveries to run dry. Reports suggest Ukraine could face a catastrophic shortage of supplies like shells and air defenses within weeks.

Der Spiegel reported that Berlin is looking to Arab states, as well as countries in the Balkans and Africa, for new supplies of ammunition for Ukraine.

The German military is currently looking to stockpiles in countries outside the EU, with a group of military officers, diplomats, and civil servants meeting in Berlin every two weeks to assess which "which countries can be approached that may still have ammunition stocks."

Negotiations are being conducted with New Delhi in a "discreet" way given its "friendly relations with Moscow," Der Spiegel said.

Indian 155mm has been seen occasionally in videos from the front so some may be coming via 3rd countries.
 

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I'm wondering why the launcher was out in the open, no camouflage, no attempt to disguise it, as if it really was missile bait.

You can't really cover the launcher with camo. But this is why the system is distributed not centralized like Russian ones.
 
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Abrams taken out by a drone and polished off with a RPG it seems. Like the T90 video not long ago, why are these tanks cruising around solo? Seemingly, anyway. The shit.
 

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Oddly enough your link doesn't work for me. I know the other video of which you speak though.

Gotta say, still cracks me up to hear the country that lost ~3000 tanks, who is sending in their antiques from the 50s and 60s, try to mock Leopards and Abrams as ineffective. Or crewed by Germans.

Denial is as Russian as vodka these days. I think that Bradley beat down really got to them. Not just the butthurt we see here, I noticed there's more of an effort to rehab the image of Russian tanks on youtube lately.
 
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The desperation for vehicles and vehicle protection is real.

The other day I watched a video of Russians trying to pull an abandoned, damaged Ukrainian M113 out of the mud.

One of those Whoa moments for me. How shitty do things have to be for "a military superpower" when it's troops see a beat to hell, inoperable M113 and think, I need that.
 

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The desperation for vehicles and vehicle protection is real.

The other day I watched a video of Russians trying to pull an abandoned, damaged Ukrainian M113 out of the mud.

One of those Whoa moments for me. How shitty do things have to be for "a military superpower" when it's troops see a beat to hell, inoperable M113 and think, I need that.
Actually, i think it is more pitiful than you think. If you remember from earlier in the way they are more likely individuals trying to make a buck by stealing anything they can find and selling it for scrapes.... it is amazing they don't disassemble their own vehicals to sell as scrapes on the black market ;)
 

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I'm not sure I'd call NSM, Exocet, or RBS-15 "long range" but Ukraine certainly could make great use of them.

Also in his speech Macron said he would drop France's objection to buying artillery ammo outside the bloc, endorsing the Czech plan.
Just gotta pay off Greece and Cyprus somehow since I think the bulk of the 155mm they want is in Turkey...

 

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I'm not sure I'd call NSM, Exocet, or RBS-15 "long range" but Ukraine certainly could make great use of them.

Also in his speech Macron said he would drop France's objection to buying artillery ammo outside the bloc, endorsing the Czech plan.
Just gotta pay off Greece and Cyprus somehow since I think the bulk of the 155mm they want is in Turkey...

Exocet could be super useful
 

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The desperation for vehicles and vehicle protection is real.

The other day I watched a video of Russians trying to pull an abandoned, damaged Ukrainian M113 out of the mud.

One of those Whoa moments for me. How shitty do things have to be for "a military superpower" when it's troops see a beat to hell, inoperable M113 and think, I need that.


If I was a meat orc waiting my turn to be turned into hamburger, I'd try to salvage that APC and make a trade with the AFU by allowing myself and my squad to be taken prisoner (with perks of course) so I can sit out the rest of the war and avoid getting turned into minefield jerky like the rest of my comrades have and eventually will. Odds seem to favor the former than the latter.

It's the least I could do for a dictator crime boss that thinks my life and the lives of my countrymen are worth the price of a Ukrainian bullet through our heads.