Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[cytg111]

I have said before: the problem is not simply Putin.
A majority of Russians are supportive of this revanchism in general. Putin dying in his sleep would not solve a thing. Any Russian leader who ends this war by giving up "Novorossiya" will be shot like Walther Rathenau.

But you assume that an alternative to Putin could actually hold the federation together and keep it from breaking apart into pieces. Manageable pieces.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Well, new crazy MAGAT Speaker of House opposes Ukraine funding. The MAGAT Party is insane, they are no longer Republican

 

[IronWing]

Well, new crazy MAGAT Speaker of House opposes Ukraine funding. The MAGAT Party is insane, they are no longer Republican

Supporting a viscous, authoritarian regimes and opposing fledgling democracies seems to be standard Republican fare going back to Taft.

 

[Ajay]

But you assume that an alternative to Putin could actually hold the federation together and keep it from breaking apart into pieces. Manageable pieces.

I'm inclined to believe that his sudden death would throw Russia into chaos for a while. He's made sure that no one can really challenge him (kind of like Xi) - so there's only pretty much losers left. That will be a bit scary geopolitically. Super Mega bonus for Ukraine though.

 

[kage69]

He's less crazy than others, but he still defended the traitor and Russian asset from two impeachments and voted against certifying the elections results. Thankfully the pro Putin faction within the GQP is still smaller than those who understand why we must support Ukraine. Mitch McConnell for instance is very much for the funding of Ukraine.

Hopefully this soft spoken christofascist's career as Speaker is brief. A traitor and oath breaker running a chamber of Congress still disgusts me. Still, awfully nice of the GQP to take a few weeks and keep reminding America why they have no business being in office. Until that happens let's hope this new leadership can do something beyond take the country hostage or waste time and money on signaling bills and PR stunts. Keeping the government running would be nice.

 

[APU_Fusion]

He's less crazy than others, but he still defended the traitor and Russian asset from two impeachments and voted against certifying the elections results. Thankfully the pro Putin faction within the GQP is still smaller than those who understand why we must support Ukraine. Mitch McConnell for instance is very much for the funding of Ukraine.

Hopefully this soft spoken christofascist's career as Speaker is brief. A traitor and oath breaker running a chamber of Congress still disgusts me. Still, awfully nice of the GQP to take a few weeks and keep reminding America why they have no business being in office. Until that happens let's hope this new leadership can do something beyond take the country hostage or waste time and money on signaling bills and PR stunts. Keeping the government running would be nice.

How unusually idealistic of you. Queue the attempts on federal ban on abortion and gay people, and women, and non-Christian whites tied to “budget deal” in 3,2,1 …

 

[kage69]

If you say so, though maybe you didn't see my hostage comment. I freely admit having to contend with magats who don't negotiate in good faith is no easy task. Ukraine though at least has some support in the GQP.

I guess we'll see if they've been keeping track on how the anti abortion rights track has been working out for them, but don't kid yourself by thinking this noob becoming Speaker means the GQP is united.

The Matt Gaetz/MTG crowd has even fewer friends now, many in their own party despise them as much as Dems do.

 

[K1052]

I have said before: the problem is not simply Putin.
A majority of Russians are supportive of this revanchism in general. Putin dying in his sleep would not solve a thing. Any Russian leader who ends this war by giving up "Novorossiya" will be shot like Walther Rathenau.

How little the Russians value even their own lives indicates basically the entire population suffers from a collective mental illness (for lack of a better description). I can't think of another way to describe such gross and total indifference.

If they were intent on just their own self destruction this wouldn't be an issue but as usual the strongman they put on top covets lands that are not his and to murder people who are not his citizens. Whoever is next is likely not to be different.

 

[Muse]

Well, new crazy MAGAT Speaker of House opposes Ukraine funding. The MAGAT Party is insane, they are no longer Republican

Can he stop it? America supports it...

 

[Muse]

How little the Russians value even their own lives indicates basically the entire population suffers from a collective mental illness (for lack of a better description). I can't think of another way to describe such gross and total indifference.

If they were intent on just their own self destruction this wouldn't be an issue but as usual the strongman they put on top covets lands that are not his and to murder people who are not his citizens. Whoever is next is likely not to be different.

Which is why it's important to make Putin's declaration that the west is out to destroy Russia perfectly prophetic and make it happen. Bring 'em to their knees. Strangle them with sanctions, drain their economy, whip 'em on the battlefield.

 

[Muse]

How unusually idealistic of you. Queue the attempts on federal ban on abortion and gay people, and women, and non-Christian whites tied to “budget deal” in 3,2,1 …

I don't think those will float.

 

[kage69]

Well I for one am grateful he's not letting it go to his head.

Another christofascist dickbag, yayyy. Saint Reagan is watching, dickbag.

 

[WelshBloke]

Well I for one am grateful he's not letting it go to his head.

Another christofascist dickbag, yayyy. Saint Reagan is watching, dickbag.

So does that mean that God ordained Biden as well?

 

[GodisanAtheist]

So does that mean that God ordained Biden as well?

-No "The Biden Crime Family" (TM) stole the election, remember?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

What thread is this?

 

[cytg111]

What thread is this?

The one about Ukraine and funding of its war efforts

 

[KMFJD]

best to ramp up the war machine if your gonna get into a shooting match in the middle east and supporting Ukraine

 

[Meghan54]

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best to ramp up the war machine if your gonna get into a shooting match in the middle east and supporting Ukraine

Wondering where those figures in the chart come from…this past January (Jan 2023) production was at 14,000 155mm shells per month, per Pentagon. Last month production was stated at being 20,000 per month.

“Army officials have recently stated that 155mm artillery munition production will increase to 28,000 per month in October, which is double what the Army was producing at the start of the year.”

US Army awards $1.5B to boost global production of artillery rounds

As the Army drives to reach a rate of 100,000 155mm artillery munitions per month by FY26, it's awarding contracts to domestic and global companies.

www.defensenews.com

FYI: 14,000 shell/mo = 168,000/year And if all we did was 14,000/month, that’s darned near double the quoted rate in your chart. And the 14k/mo production was, again, in Jan ‘03, with production only increasing as this year has progressed.

Seems the listed production figure for 155mm shells in your chart is a tad alarmist…why can only be determined by who produced it. I didn’t bother with any other item in the chart.

We’ve already met and surpassed the listed surge rate for the shells…240k/year is 20k/mo. We’re already there, if not surpassed that level.

 

[Pens1566]

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best to ramp up the war machine if your gonna get into a shooting match in the middle east and supporting Ukraine

In any "reasonable" US direct involvement in a middle east conflict, I'd be worried about none of those types of munitions being short supply.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I asked this before in this thread somewhere. Does the US have the capacity and will to go into 40s type defense production should it become necessary? Do we still have the manufacturing facilities to start pumping out tanks, artillery, ships, planes and other munitions monthly?

 

[Pens1566]

I asked this before in this thread somewhere. Does the US have the capacity and will to go into 40s type defense production should it become necessary? Do we still have the manufacturing facilities to start pumping out tanks, artillery, ships, planes and other munitions monthly?

Not at anywhere near WW2 levels, no.

And I too wonder if we'd be able to agree on that type of path if the need ever arose and we were faced with such a similar situation.

 

[Ajay]

I asked this before in this thread somewhere. Does the US have the capacity and will to go into 40s type defense production should it become necessary? Do we still have the manufacturing facilities to start pumping out tanks, artillery, ships, planes and other munitions monthly?

Current systems require specialized components, especially semiconductors. So, you just can't take a Ford plant and convert it over to military production as was the case in WWII. In addition, we are no longer the industrial giant that we were back then.

Anyway, all these figure on conventional army weapons belies the fact that our strategy is to achieve total air dominance, bomb the hell out important target with fighters and then send in the army, if need be. If we are just looking to degrade a countries military - and maybe bag some HVTs, the Airforce and Navy + SOCOM forces can get that done. For instance - why would we want to put boots on the ground in Iran. Why would we want to be stuck there for years?

 

[Dave_5k]

For instance - why would we want to put boots on the ground in Iran. Why would we want to be stuck there for years?

Lobbyists. How else would those poor US military contractors get their feed trough stuffed with hundreds of billions of dollars every year in wasted taxpayer money?

 

[Pens1566]

Lobbyists. How else would those poor US military contractors get their feed trough stuffed with hundreds of billions of dollars every year in wasted taxpayer money?

Those contractors would be more interested in big ticket items like planes and tomahawks than what ground forces would get them. Plus, having hundreds+ of dead soldiers from your district is bad for re-election of your local representative.

 

[Ajay]

Lobbyists. How else would those poor US military contractors get their feed trough stuffed with hundreds of billions of dollars every year in wasted taxpayer money?

After what we went through for 20 years - pretty sure there would be massive protests against. I'd join in. Anyway, our CIC, Biden, would never go for it.